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Obamacare premiums up 116%

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  • HanseeHall78HanseeHall78 Member Posts: 156
    The inability of insurance companies to properly underwrite and charge appropriate premiums for those with pre-existing conditions and without current insurance is the fundamental flaw of Obamacare.

    For example, if a person with untreated Hepatitis C applies for Obamacare (who by law cannot get rejected) and it is known that the preferred treatment is a six month Harvoni pill regimen costing $90,000, what should be the fair insurance premium for that person? If the mandated premium is less than $90,000 plus an appropriate insurance company profit, who should pay the difference?

    I would love to not carry insurance on my house but then be able to buy insurance after it catches on fire without a paying a premium surcharge.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    The inability of insurance companies to properly underwrite and charge appropriate premiums for those with pre-existing conditions and without current insurance is the fundamental flaw of Obamacare.

    For example, if a person with untreated Hepatitis C applies for Obamacare (who by law cannot get rejected) and it is known that the preferred treatment is a six month Harvoni pill regimen costing $90,000, what should be the fair insurance premium for that person? If the mandated premium is less than $90,000 plus an appropriate insurance company profit, who should pay the difference?

    I would love to not carry insurance on my house but then be able to buy insurance after it catches on fire without a paying a premium surcharge.

    I don't think that's how the pre existing conditions clause works.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,907 Standard Supporter
    dflea said:

    That means boobs is perfectly safe because you're a huge pussy.
    It's also hard to measure his quality of life index when it's obvious he has no life.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,276
    edited October 2016
    Sledog said:

    It's also hard to measure his quality of life index when it's obvious he has no life.
    His quality of life would go way up if you drowned yourself.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Sledog said:

    I'm white I can swim!
    Well played sir.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Obamacare needed and still does need a public option to keep costs down.
    Unfortunately Obama caved quickly to just Obamacare (which was actually a right wing plan to begin with) and now it's a mess that gets blamed on left wing policies.
    Well done Barack
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
    But he's a far left Marxist apparently
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,907 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    He had a democratic supermajority. Had he been a great politician who was willing to twist arms to get what he wanted he could have even gotten single payer. But instead he didn't even try for that, and caved quickly off of the public option.
    But he's a far left Marxist apparently

    Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,826
    dflea said:

    His quality of life would go way up if you drowned yourself.
    *Gurgle*
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,326 Founders Club

    Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326


    Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.

    if the liberals wanted in to fail, why is it the republicans who don't give a shit about fixing it in congress?
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited October 2016
    Sledog said:

    Maybe you should research him a little and read some of what he has written about himself and said about himself. A quick look into what little is known about him would tell you he's a FUCKING COMMUNIST! So was his father, mother, mentor, and grandparents.
    he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.
    His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
    He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
    He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
    He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
    Expanded the NSA's spying programs
    But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots


  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,907 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    he might have had those opinions, but how he's governed is no farther to the left than a centrist.
    His immigration order deported all of those with criminal records.
    He made a bunch of the bush tax cuts that were sunsetting permanent.
    He implemented Obamacare, a heritage foundation proposal.
    He's intervened in 7 different countries, and ramped up the drone program.
    Expanded the NSA's spying programs
    But I get it, facts don't matter with you idiots


    He hasn't deported anyone and refuses to do so.
    He's raised taxes immensely one of the biggest being ObaMao care.
    Obama care is one of the tenets of communist control, seize health care.
    Spying on US citizens has reached unprecedented levels. Every phone call, email etc.
    He's intervened in the middle east to assist the radical muslims in taking over.
    But I get it communists downplay all of their objectives and blame others.
  • Fenderbender123Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989
    Obamacare premium...cost 116% more....still better deal than Dawgman premium.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    He hasn't deported anyone and refuses to do so.
    He's raised taxes immensely one of the biggest being ObaMao care.
    Obama care is one of the tenets of communist control, seize health care.
    Spying on US citizens has reached unprecedented levels. Every phone call, email etc.
    He's intervened in the middle east to assist the radical muslims in taking over.
    But I get it communists downplay all of their objectives and blame others.
    You are the stupidest motherfucker here. Yes, giving private insurance companies 20 million new customers is the definition of communism. For fuck's sakes.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457


    Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was never intended to work. It was meant to fail spectacularly so the political left would have the leverage they need to push the masses to 100% government run "single payer" healthcare. Having control of that much of the economy, particularly in a sector that has such inelastic demand results in complete and perpetual political power, which is exactly what the end game is. Throw in "free college education" and open borders over flowing with guaranteed votes and it's game over. This is the culmination of over a century of "progressive" politics. #draintheswamp is too late.

    Great analysis as always. Do you really think adding 20 million people to private insurance companies is a path to single payer health care? With the huge insurance lobby that bought off Democrats?
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,553
    2001400ex said:

    You are the stupidest motherfucker here. Yes, giving private insurance companies 20 million new customers is the definition of communism. For fuck's sakes.
    Giving?

    More like forcing insurance companies to take 20 million unprofitable new customers. Considering you have a business degree, I'm surprised you can't see how this was a bad idea from the beginning.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,553
    edited October 2016
    dhdawg said:

    if the liberals wanted in to fail, why is it the republicans who don't give a shit about fixing it in congress?
    Republicans want a free market heath care system. They won't get it buy fixing the existing one. I think the real solution is to have both.

    Have a government system that provides basic health insurance needs that's paid for by tax payer dollars. Then have a private free market system that people can pay for that provides better coverage if they want it. Also, the premium's paid in the private system should be fully tax deductible since these people will be paying taxes on a federal system they will be opting out of.
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