Yet another prominent (R) for Clinton, says Trump is a national embarrassment, list grows every day
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Trump's plan to take care of the debt is awesome too. That wouldn't do any harm at all to default on our debt.salemcoog said:
Hi there! The Country is already bankrupt. Soon interest on debt will be our 3rd biggest "program".OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
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I think you just made an argument for Trump to release his tax returns, so we can see magnitude.Fenderbender123 said:
It really doesn't, because I don't know what to compare that to. What were his other businesses worth? How much income were they generating at the time this one went bankrupt? All it tells me is that one of his businesses went bankrupt because it was billions of dollars in debt. It's just one tiny piece of the history of Trump's financial picture.2001400ex said:
You act like Race. Your argument was fucktarded. I can post links to where Trump was forced into bankruptcy by his creditors because he owed over $4 billion in debt. Does that give you magnitude?Fenderbender123 said:
I'll take "things we say when we've lost an argument" for $1,000.2001400ex said:
How does Trump's dick taste?Fenderbender123 said:I don't see anything on that website that does an overall analysis on Trump's business successes vs failures. Nothing on the size and scope of those businesses. Just a list of failures. Like I've been saying all along, you have to have the complete picture. For example, if I own a business that's been steadily making me $10 million a year, I can afford to take risks with other businesses. Seriously, there is nothing of value to be learned from that article in terms of the overall success Trump has had with his businesses.
And you're still wrong about the stock thing. CEO's and presidents are hired to do things that the owner(s) of the company do not want to do (maybe they aren't as good, maybe they have a better use of their time, etc). A financial advisor is hired to do things that the owners of the stock do not want to do. But at the end of the day, both the owner(s) of the company and the owner of the stock are responsible for evaluating the performance of the people they hired to perform the task.
Also, are you aware that a business filing bankruptcy is not the same as an individual? If you want to argue that Trump uses bankruptcy laws in his favor so that he can take risks, then that would be a more credible argument. But even then, it's basically just him using the rules in place to get ahead...which is actually a common trait of people who are at the top of their game.
It's like I've been saying all along, you can't just cherry pick the failings of a person, present those things and only those things, and then say this person is a failure. When it comes to somebody like Trump's financial situation, well, you're looking at thousands of pages of complex numbers, ratios, and graphs to tell the story...and then you have to understand how to read it all and what kind of conclusions you can draw.
Reality is, the fact he's hiding them is worse than if he just released them. Clearly Trump isn't running a campaign on transparency. -
Except his tax returns don't show everything....
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Alright, I have to get some work done. It was nice chatting with you all.
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Depends on if he shows the underlying K1s and corporate returns or just his base return.Fenderbender123 said:Except his tax returns don't show everything....
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Picking a losing stock as part of a diversified portfolio is very different than running your businesses so poorly that 6 of them went bankrupt.Fenderbender123 said:
This isn't a smart way to look at it. How many businesses has he owned? How many didn't go bankrupt? Were other people in the same industry going bankrupt too?OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
This is the equivalent at pulling up Hillary's stock portfolio, which is likely well-diversified, and then pointing to the few instances of failing stocks and saying "See? Hillary doesn't know what the fuck she's doing. She can't even invest in the stock market properly."
Seriously, that is the exact same argument.
Two prominent billionaires have already criticized him for it. I mention this last part only because some of you guys seem to be really impressed by billionaires. -
Good for you but you are missing the point of my response to the guy that was conflating bankruptcy with babies.salemcoog said:
Hi there! The Country is already bankrupt. Soon interest on debt will be our 3rd biggest "program".OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
That would be my last worry of a Trump Presidency.
No question that there are bigger concerns about Trump. -
LEAVE!Fenderbender123 said:Alright, I have to get some work done. It was nice chatting with you all.
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This is exactly what I said earlier. But nobody is asking him to release his business tax returns. Have presidential candidates historically released their business returns?2001400ex said:
Depends on if he shows the underlying K1s and corporate returns or just his base return.Fenderbender123 said:Except his tax returns don't show everything....
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LEAVEFenderbender123 said:
This is exactly what I said earlier. But nobody is asking him to release his business tax returns. Have presidential candidates historically released their business returns?2001400ex said:
Depends on if he shows the underlying K1s and corporate returns or just his base return.Fenderbender123 said:Except his tax returns don't show everything....
Like I said, until he releases them, everything is speculation. -
Of course they are different. One is a stock, the other is a company. But that's not what we're looking at. The comparison is valid in terms of who is responsible, and whether or not we should be looking at just one piece or the entire picture.OZONE said:
Picking a losing stock as part of a diversified portfolio is very different than running your businesses so poorly that 6 of them went bankrupt.Fenderbender123 said:
This isn't a smart way to look at it. How many businesses has he owned? How many didn't go bankrupt? Were other people in the same industry going bankrupt too?OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
This is the equivalent at pulling up Hillary's stock portfolio, which is likely well-diversified, and then pointing to the few instances of failing stocks and saying "See? Hillary doesn't know what the fuck she's doing. She can't even invest in the stock market properly."
Seriously, that is the exact same argument.
Two prominent billionaires have already criticized him for it. I mention this last part only because some of you guys seem to be really impressed by billionaires.
In other words, if you're going to try and make the argument that Trump sucks at running businesses, you have to look at EVERYTHING. You don't point to the games that John Wooden's UCLA teams lost and say "see, Wooden sucks at coaching". -
You must be new here.Fenderbender123 said:
Of course they are different. One is a stock, the other is a company. But that's not what we're looking at. The comparison is valid in terms of who is responsible, and whether or not we should be looking at just one piece or the entire picture.OZONE said:
Picking a losing stock as part of a diversified portfolio is very different than running your businesses so poorly that 6 of them went bankrupt.Fenderbender123 said:
This isn't a smart way to look at it. How many businesses has he owned? How many didn't go bankrupt? Were other people in the same industry going bankrupt too?OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
This is the equivalent at pulling up Hillary's stock portfolio, which is likely well-diversified, and then pointing to the few instances of failing stocks and saying "See? Hillary doesn't know what the fuck she's doing. She can't even invest in the stock market properly."
Seriously, that is the exact same argument.
Two prominent billionaires have already criticized him for it. I mention this last part only because some of you guys seem to be really impressed by billionaires.
In other words, if you're going to try and make the argument that Trump sucks at running businesses, you have to look at EVERYTHING. You don't point to the games that John Wooden's UCLA teams lost and say "see, Wooden sucks at coaching". -
Losing a game in basketball, or picking a stock that underperforms the S&P500, are vastly different than running a business so poorly that it declares bankruptcy.Fenderbender123 said:
Of course they are different. One is a stock, the other is a company. But that's not what we're looking at. The comparison is valid in terms of who is responsible, and whether or not we should be looking at just one piece or the entire picture.OZONE said:
Picking a losing stock as part of a diversified portfolio is very different than running your businesses so poorly that 6 of them went bankrupt.Fenderbender123 said:
This isn't a smart way to look at it. How many businesses has he owned? How many didn't go bankrupt? Were other people in the same industry going bankrupt too?OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
This is the equivalent at pulling up Hillary's stock portfolio, which is likely well-diversified, and then pointing to the few instances of failing stocks and saying "See? Hillary doesn't know what the fuck she's doing. She can't even invest in the stock market properly."
Seriously, that is the exact same argument.
Two prominent billionaires have already criticized him for it. I mention this last part only because some of you guys seem to be really impressed by billionaires.
In other words, if you're going to try and make the argument that Trump sucks at running businesses, you have to look at EVERYTHING. You don't point to the games that John Wooden's UCLA teams lost and say "see, Wooden sucks at coaching".
You can run a business poorly, but have a small profit and pay your obligations.
But running it so poorly that you declare bankruptcy, is like saying "fuck, I'm in way over my head here, I can't even afford to pay my debts. Gov't, please help me get of of my debts".
When Trump gets in way over his head with the US, who is going to bail him out?
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Think of the federal budget as Trump's personal budget. There are many sources of revenue, and many sources of expenditures.
Perhaps there will be one area where too much money is being spent, but as long as overall revenues and expenses are looking good, things are golden....just like Trump's individual situation. He individually has NOT declared bankruptcy, because he's managed the bigger picture well enough to not need to.
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Whatever, we will not agree on his competence.Fenderbender123 said:Think of the federal budget as Trump's personal budget. There are many sources of revenue, and many sources of expenditures.
Perhaps there will be one area where too much money is being spent, but as long as overall revenues and expenses are looking good, things are golden....just like Trump's individual situation. He individually has NOT declared bankruptcy, because he's managed the bigger picture well enough to not need to.
But at least you have stopped conflating his ability to run the country without it going bankrupt, with him kicking a crying baby out of the conference, which is where this entire thread started.
So, you are getting slightly better in your analytical ability. Enough to impress Race anyway, which might not be saying much.
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So you're saying Trump is going to raise taxes?Fenderbender123 said:Think of the federal budget as Trump's personal budget. There are many sources of revenue, and many sources of expenditures.
Perhaps there will be one area where too much money is being spent, but as long as overall revenues and expenses are looking good, things are golden....just like Trump's individual situation. He individually has NOT declared bankruptcy, because he's managed the bigger picture well enough to not need to.
He hasn't proposed any spending cuts. -
I find it funny that Donald will be the first man in the history of this country to lose a presidential election to a woman heh heh heh
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Technically speaking he would be the third. Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders should set themselves on fire.Peterman said:I find it funny that Donald will be the first man in the history of this country to lose a presidential election to a woman heh heh heh
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Given how rigged the DNC was against Sanders, I think he did pretty fucking well.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Technically speaking he would be the third. Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders should set themselves on fire.Peterman said:I find it funny that Donald will be the first man in the history of this country to lose a presidential election to a woman heh heh heh
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Losing by 13 points is special.OZONE said:
Given how rigged the DNC was against Sanders, I think he did pretty fucking well.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Technically speaking he would be the third. Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders should set themselves on fire.Peterman said:I find it funny that Donald will be the first man in the history of this country to lose a presidential election to a woman heh heh heh
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Not a great analogy, unless you admit that every ref in the game was doing everything they could to hand the win to one specific team.
Sure, Clinton's team still had to execute some plays, but all the holding calls and offsides calls were going against the Sanders team for a reason. -
Losers lose and then blame the refs for losing.OZONE said:Not a great analogy, unless you admit that every ref in the game was doing everything they could to hand the win to one specific team.
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I don't care. I'm still right.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Losers lose and then blame the refs for losing.OZONE said:Not a great analogy, unless you admit that every ref in the game was doing everything they could to hand the win to one specific team.
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YepOZONE said:
I don't care. I'm still right.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Losers lose and then blame the refs for losing.OZONE said:Not a great analogy, unless you admit that every ref in the game was doing everything they could to hand the win to one specific team.
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The US is bankrupt?1!!? Holy Shit, why didn't somebody say something?salemcoog said:
Hi there! The Country is already bankrupt. Soon interest on debt will be our 3rd biggest "program".OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
That would be my last worry of a Trump Presidency.
I didn't realize something like that could happen to a country with debt-to-GDP of 75% and possessing the world's reserve currency.
Looks like @Swaye was right and it's time to bury a can filled with arrowheads, beads and doghides in the backyard. -
In this thread: Race and OZONE finally fuck
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I also put some beef jerky in there, but this is most of the way there.CirrhosisDawg said:
The US is bankrupt?1!!? Holy Shit, why didn't somebody say something?salemcoog said:
Hi there! The Country is already bankrupt. Soon interest on debt will be our 3rd biggest "program".OZONE said:
Nope. The reason people give for believing he could bankrupt the country is that he has already bankrupt 6 businesses, and welched on his debts to numerous working people that he owned money to before those business filed for bankruptcy protection for their debts.Fenderbender123 said:
"Oh, he told a lady with a crying baby to leave his rally, that means he's going to bankrupt our country and let the Russians invade!"
That would be my last worry of a Trump Presidency.
I didn't realize something like that could happen to a country with debt-to-GDP of 75% and possessing the world's reserve currency.
Looks like @Swaye was right and it's time to bury a can filled with arrowheads, beads and doghides in the backyard. -
I like Ozone. He's one of my favorite classy postersTierbsHsotBoobs said:In this thread: Race and OZONE finally fuck
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Fuck off. I thought I was your favorite.RaceBannon said:
I like Ozone. He's one of my favorite classy postersTierbsHsotBoobs said:In this thread: Race and OZONE finally fuck
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"According to Bloomberg, 8 out of 10 entrepreneurs who start businesses fail within the first 18 months. A whopping 80% crash and burn."
So, some Hillary eunuchs need to get some fucking perspective. Trump's been in the hospitality, development, recreation and casino businesses. It takes huge sums of money to get those off the ground and the risks are huge. Do you Hillary fuckbrains really think his investors don't know the risks? Christ. Bankruptcy is part of any businesses survival or closure plan from day one, if the entrepreneur has any brains at all. Form a corp or llc, and if it fails, dump it into bankruptcy. Business 101.
BTW, I'm in my 20th year and going strong, so fuck all you faggots who think you can lecture me about Trump or finance. Bankrupting a poor performing venture is much better than letting it bleed you dry to your last penny, costing you your house, all your shit, and causing you to re-start from zero. Nobody with a brain is that stupid, and that's why the founding fathers put bankruptcy in the constitution and many of them resorted to it themselves. All thus faux outrage is a joke. Trump's a blowhard and a jackass, yet, I find him less intolerable and offensive than most of the leftist commies and hypocrites I encounter daily.
