That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...
You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.
Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
Quite honestly, I don't get what you are arguing about. He has acknowledged that coaching is the problem with a lack of identity. This whole back and forth is absolutely stoopid.
The only difference between your two arguments is that one thinks it should be blown up right now and that Petersen isn't the guy, and the other wants to see what happens at the end of the season.
Christ.
That is NOT the only difference. And I haven't said Petersen isn't the guy.
Thanks for reading?
Haven't been able to read every single post in the back and forth between you and others.
What would you like to see done then? Just so we can get that out there in one spot I guess.
If that means firing Smith and getting an OC that knows wtf he is doing, fine. If Pete needs to ditch his shitty system that hasn't worked in years, fine. Whatever it is, it ultimately falls on Petersen to win or GTFO.
Thanks for basically paraphrasing just about everything I've said over the course of the last week.
I'm convinced that you don't have a fucking clue what you're arguing about at this point. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
Bullshit. You joined HuskyInAZ's fountain of youth campaign from the start.
And now you want to wait to fix glaring problems.
If you can't tell the difference, then I really can't help you.
Blowing things up over and over again is a recipe for never getting anything right because there's never enough time to take hold.
What do you think happens if the playbook that has been used over the Spring, over the Summer, and now for 2+ months since the start of Fall camp is completely blown up and you start at Ground Zero during conference play? You're going to get your fucking teeth kicked in repeatedly.
The odds are very long that Smith is the answer ... nobody disputes that.
The odds are that Petersen not only needs to make a change, but needs to come to grips with himself about needing help and changing his offense over in ways that will work going forward.
What % of coordinator changes happen during the season versus the offseason? Even moreso, what % of those in-season coordinator changes happen in the first third of the season versus the back third of the season?
There's half brained, half cocked, piss and vinegar stomping up and down like a petulant child way about doing things and there's also the way things are done. They'll keep trying to find ways to improve the offense during the year ... it's most likely going to not be enough. There will be some good and bad moments. That's going to happen.
The worst thing that you can do to an offense full of young players is to blow everything up and get them in a position where they are continually thinking about what they are doing versus getting into a spot where they learn and play.
Is the season over? Yes if talking about winning the conference ... which the season was over before the year started. No if you're talking about further development of the team and the growth of the young players. There's still a lot to play for and a lot to see play out. Save the fucking pitchforks for late November.
I like to agree that Smith likely isn't answer but that he can't be fired because "there's also the way things are done."
Fucking shit we skipped right over Sark and back into Willingham 0-12 logic...
For the fucking record, "The worst thing that you can do to an offense full of young players..." is to waste their time with a coach who "nobody disputes" isn't the answer, is clearly in over his head, and hasnt developed a single player in 1.5 years.
That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...
You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.
Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
Quite honestly, I don't get what you are arguing about. He has acknowledged that coaching is the problem with a lack of identity. This whole back and forth is absolutely stoopid.
The only difference between your two arguments is that one thinks it should be blown up right now and that Petersen isn't the guy, and the other wants to see what happens at the end of the season.
Christ.
Something needs to be done about it, right fucking now, @Tequilla would have UW and Petersen wait until the season is over, but fails to realize the season is already fucking over anyways.
Ok fine ... I'll play your game.
I'm Petersen, I'm pissed about Smith and Pease and I fire them today. Are you happy?
BTW, who am I hiring to replace them? What's the current market look like for unemployed assistant coaches that I'd want on staff?
And, if I fired Smith right now, who's calling the shots on offense? Do I take the lead on that? But if I do take the lead, how is that going to change anything when the fire and brimstone people out there are busy saying that I don't know what I'm doing given that my offense has sucked for 4 straight years and Smith is basically my puppet to start with? Do you see any other candidates to be OC on the current staff? I see a bunch of position coaches.
I don't in any way, shape, or form see any path that is going to result in meaningful staff changes DURING THE SEASON that will make a material difference.
IF that logic holds, then isn't it in the best interest of the program for Petersen to see the results from a high level, process that the defense and special teams are at high-end conference levels and that the offense at dreck levels is what is holding the program back? Isn't that the sobering realization he needs to come to? Isn't going after a Beau Baldwin or some other offensive genius the move that really needs to be made?
That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...
You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.
Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
Quite honestly, I don't get what you are arguing about. He has acknowledged that coaching is the problem with a lack of identity. This whole back and forth is absolutely stoopid.
The only difference between your two arguments is that one thinks it should be blown up right now and that Petersen isn't the guy, and the other wants to see what happens at the end of the season.
Christ.
That is NOT the only difference. And I haven't said Petersen isn't the guy.
Thanks for reading?
Haven't been able to read every single post in the back and forth between you and others.
What would you like to see done then? Just so we can get that out there in one spot I guess.
If that means firing Smith and getting an OC that knows wtf he is doing, fine. If Pete needs to ditch his shitty system that hasn't worked in years, fine. Whatever it is, it ultimately falls on Petersen to win or GTFO.
Thanks for basically paraphrasing just about everything I've said over the course of the last week.
I'm convinced that you don't have a fucking clue what you're arguing about at this point. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
Bullshit. You joined HuskyInAZ's fountain of youth campaign from the start.
And now you want to wait to fix glaring problems.
If you can't tell the difference, then I really can't help you.
The offense is full of young players ... that's not an opinion. That's fucking fact.
The problem with the problems is that the likely fix isn't going to show up in the next 2 months. The solution is OUTSIDE of the program. If the solution was INSIDE the program, we'd have probably seen progress in the last 18 games.
That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...
You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.
Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
Quite honestly, I don't get what you are arguing about. He has acknowledged that coaching is the problem with a lack of identity. This whole back and forth is absolutely stoopid.
The only difference between your two arguments is that one thinks it should be blown up right now and that Petersen isn't the guy, and the other wants to see what happens at the end of the season.
Christ.
That is NOT the only difference. And I haven't said Petersen isn't the guy.
Thanks for reading?
Haven't been able to read every single post in the back and forth between you and others.
What would you like to see done then? Just so we can get that out there in one spot I guess.
If that means firing Smith and getting an OC that knows wtf he is doing, fine. If Pete needs to ditch his shitty system that hasn't worked in years, fine. Whatever it is, it ultimately falls on Petersen to win or GTFO.
Thanks for basically paraphrasing just about everything I've said over the course of the last week.
I'm convinced that you don't have a fucking clue what you're arguing about at this point. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
Bullshit. You joined HuskyInAZ's fountain of youth campaign from the start.
And now you want to wait to fix glaring problems.
If you can't tell the difference, then I really can't help you.
The offense is full of young players ... that's not an opinion. That's fucking fact.
The problem with the problems is that the likely fix isn't going to show up in the next 2 months. The solution is OUTSIDE of the program. If the solution was INSIDE the program, we'd have probably seen progress in the last 18 games.
And BTW, to @ThomasFremont and @Houhusky ... go fuck yourselves. You two are so irrational at this point that you can't get your heads out of your ass long enough to realize that those that you think are disagreeing with you are automatically doogs and not realizing that they are agreeing with about 81% of your positions.
That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...
You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.
Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
Quite honestly, I don't get what you are arguing about. He has acknowledged that coaching is the problem with a lack of identity. This whole back and forth is absolutely stoopid.
The only difference between your two arguments is that one thinks it should be blown up right now and that Petersen isn't the guy, and the other wants to see what happens at the end of the season.
Christ.
That is NOT the only difference. And I haven't said Petersen isn't the guy.
Thanks for reading?
Haven't been able to read every single post in the back and forth between you and others.
What would you like to see done then? Just so we can get that out there in one spot I guess.
If that means firing Smith and getting an OC that knows wtf he is doing, fine. If Pete needs to ditch his shitty system that hasn't worked in years, fine. Whatever it is, it ultimately falls on Petersen to win or GTFO.
Thanks for basically paraphrasing just about everything I've said over the course of the last week.
I'm convinced that you don't have a fucking clue what you're arguing about at this point. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
Bullshit. You joined HuskyInAZ's fountain of youth campaign from the start.
And now you want to wait to fix glaring problems.
If you can't tell the difference, then I really can't help you.
The offense is full of young players ... that's not an opinion. That's fucking fact.
The problem with the problems is that the likely fix isn't going to show up in the next 2 months. The solution is OUTSIDE of the program. If the solution was INSIDE the program, we'd have probably seen progress in the last 18 games.
Clearly logic isn't your strength.
So is the defense. They don't suck.
You however, suck at this.
But I suppose that's nothing new.
WHY ARE YOU GUYS GOING BACK AND FORTH?!?!
Teq wants Smith fired in 2 months, you want him fired now.
WHO FUCKING CARES. You guys are agreeing on way more than you are disagreeing on.
That's one lucky son of a bitch, considering his circumstances. It missed his 2-hole and he could have easily been @BallSacked if the pitchfork was just off by a bit.
My armchair CEO move would be to demote Smith and for Petersen to take over play calling.
I think that would be a solid idea. I like making him just the QB coach and have Petersen call the shots the rest of the year until he can hire an OC in December.
That's one lucky son of a bitch, considering his circumstances. It missed his 2-hole and he could have easily been @BallSacked if the pitchfork was just off by a bit.
My armchair CEO move would be to demote Smith and for Petersen to take over play calling.
Why demote? You only get so many assistants by NCAA rules. So if you demote him someone else would have to be D.A.O. Or you demote him to like an Admin...which I doubt an OC would take. Peterson needs to just get him the fuck out.
My armchair CEO move would be to demote Smith and for Petersen to take over play calling.
Why demote? You only get so many assistants by NCAA rules. So if you demote him someone else would have to be D.A.O. Or you demote him to like an Admin...which I doubt an OC would take. Peterson needs to just get him the fuck out.
You just take away play calling duties, no other moves would be necessary. He is already the QB coach, just have him do that.
My armchair CEO move would be to demote Smith and for Petersen to take over play calling.
Why demote? You only get so many assistants by NCAA rules. So if you demote him someone else would have to be D.A.O. Or you demote him to like an Admin...which I doubt an OC would take. Peterson needs to just get him the fuck out.
You just take away play calling duties, no other moves would be necessary. He is already the QB coach, just have him do that.
Ah, in the offseason he'd be gone though with warning. Keeping dead weight around is dumb and inefficient.
That's essentially what Mora did Ulbrich when it was obvious hiring an inexperienced coordinator was fucktarded. Took over game planning the 2nd half the year and got Ulbrich a job in the NFL after the season.
My armchair CEO move would be to demote Smith and for Petersen to take over play calling.
Why demote? You only get so many assistants by NCAA rules. So if you demote him someone else would have to be D.A.O. Or you demote him to like an Admin...which I doubt an OC would take. Peterson needs to just get him the fuck out.
You just take away play calling duties, no other moves would be necessary. He is already the QB coach, just have him do that.
Ah, in the offseason he'd be gone though with warning.
That's essentially what Mora did Ulbrich when it was obvious hiring an inexperienced coordinator was fucktarded. Took over game planning the 2nd half the year and got Ulbrich a job in the NFL after the season.
My armchair CEO move would be to demote Smith and for Petersen to take over play calling.
Why demote? You only get so many assistants by NCAA rules. So if you demote him someone else would have to be D.A.O. Or you demote him to like an Admin...which I doubt an OC would take. Peterson needs to just get him the fuck out.
You just take away play calling duties, no other moves would be necessary. He is already the QB coach, just have him do that.
Ah, in the offseason he'd be gone though with warning. Keeping dead weight around is dumb and inefficient.
That's essentially what Mora did Ulbrich when it was obvious hiring an inexperienced coordinator was fucktarded. Took over game planning the 2nd half the year and got Ulbrich a job in the NFL after the season.
That would be the way you do it ...
You don't need to publicly announce that you're changing titles or roles though ... that can all be kept internally.
For all we know, that could already be happening right now.
Any I will reiterate, the fix to the offensive problems is going to come from OUTSIDE the current program.
And BTW, to @ThomasFremont and @Houhusky ... go fuck yourselves. You two are so irrational at this point that you can't get your heads out of your ass long enough to realize that those that you think are disagreeing with you are automatically doogs and not realizing that they are agreeing with about 81% of your positions.
This post put off a really bad vibe.
By design ...
If the first 10 points on the topic weren't enough to get through their scorched earth mindset, no amount of reason would work for them.
It's been clear in this thread that anybody that isn't willing to scorch the earth yesterday is a doog.
My armchair CEO move would be to demote Smith and for Petersen to take over play calling.
Why demote? You only get so many assistants by NCAA rules. So if you demote him someone else would have to be D.A.O. Or you demote him to like an Admin...which I doubt an OC would take. Peterson needs to just get him the fuck out.
You just take away play calling duties, no other moves would be necessary. He is already the QB coach, just have him do that.
Ah, in the offseason he'd be gone though with warning. Keeping dead weight around is dumb and inefficient.
That's essentially what Mora did Ulbrich when it was obvious hiring an inexperienced coordinator was fucktarded. Took over game planning the 2nd half the year and got Ulbrich a job in the NFL after the season.
That would be the way you do it ...
You don't need to publicly announce that you're changing titles or roles though ... that can all be kept internally.
For all we know, that could already be happening right now.
Any I will reiterate, the fix to the offensive problems is going to come from OUTSIDE the current program.
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And now you want to wait to fix glaring problems.
If you can't tell the difference, then I really can't help you.
Fucking shit we skipped right over Sark and back into Willingham 0-12 logic...
For the fucking record, "The worst thing that you can do to an offense full of young players..." is to waste their time with a coach who "nobody disputes" isn't the answer, is clearly in over his head, and hasnt developed a single player in 1.5 years.
I'm Petersen, I'm pissed about Smith and Pease and I fire them today. Are you happy?
BTW, who am I hiring to replace them? What's the current market look like for unemployed assistant coaches that I'd want on staff?
And, if I fired Smith right now, who's calling the shots on offense? Do I take the lead on that? But if I do take the lead, how is that going to change anything when the fire and brimstone people out there are busy saying that I don't know what I'm doing given that my offense has sucked for 4 straight years and Smith is basically my puppet to start with? Do you see any other candidates to be OC on the current staff? I see a bunch of position coaches.
I don't in any way, shape, or form see any path that is going to result in meaningful staff changes DURING THE SEASON that will make a material difference.
IF that logic holds, then isn't it in the best interest of the program for Petersen to see the results from a high level, process that the defense and special teams are at high-end conference levels and that the offense at dreck levels is what is holding the program back? Isn't that the sobering realization he needs to come to? Isn't going after a Beau Baldwin or some other offensive genius the move that really needs to be made?
The problem with the problems is that the likely fix isn't going to show up in the next 2 months. The solution is OUTSIDE of the program. If the solution was INSIDE the program, we'd have probably seen progress in the last 18 games.
Clearly logic isn't your strength.
You however, suck at this.
But I suppose that's nothing new.
Teq wants Smith fired in 2 months, you want him fired now.
WHO FUCKING CARES. You guys are agreeing on way more than you are disagreeing on.
That's one lucky son of a bitch, considering his circumstances. It missed his 2-hole and he could have easily been @BallSacked if the pitchfork was just off by a bit.
Excellent post game analysis.
That's essentially what Mora did Ulbrich when it was obvious hiring an inexperienced coordinator was fucktarded. Took over game planning the 2nd half the year and got Ulbrich a job in the NFL after the season.
You don't need to publicly announce that you're changing titles or roles though ... that can all be kept internally.
For all we know, that could already be happening right now.
Any I will reiterate, the fix to the offensive problems is going to come from OUTSIDE the current program.
If the first 10 points on the topic weren't enough to get through their scorched earth mindset, no amount of reason would work for them.
It's been clear in this thread that anybody that isn't willing to scorch the earth yesterday is a doog.
It wasn't Nick Holt and it isn't Justin Wilcocks
For fucks sake its the fucking head coach