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When Reasons Become Excuses.....

HuskyInAZ
HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
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.....or not.

Clearly, a huge issue our offense has been playcalling. Blame whoever you want, but it's seems entirely too complicated and cute. A second issue our offense has is youth. You inbred fucks have scorched me over this one, but maybe, just maybe, a bit of data can help you see the light. I'm not holding my breath, though.

The following numbers represent the number of years of experience each P12 team had at the 5 OL positions + QB coming into this season, based on who started their last games.

ASU - 18
Oregon - 15
Stanford - 15
Cal - 14
Utah - 13
WSU - 12
Arizona - 12
USC - 12
OSU - 10
Colorado - 10
UCLA - 9
UW - 4

But I guess youth is just an excuse.....
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    reasons?... excuses?... or FACTORS? as to why we suck? I don't think you're analyzing this guud.
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  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    Some of those teams have a lot of cumulative starts because they played young guys and went through that fire.

    UCLA was young on offense in 2012 and 2013. Arizona was young last year. SC started 3 true Frosh on the OL last year.

    I think those squads got more out of the year than Peterson has.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Some of you fucks need to separate emotions from reading what you want to hear ...

    I don't think anybody is saying that Smith is doing a good job ... I'm not. I've been critical of the lack of identity from the offense (thoughts echoed by Kyle Benn). I've noted that even when Smith makes a solid play call, the execution isn't always matching (which often is tied to youth).

    There isn't going to be a mid-season firing. Carry the pitchforks all that you want ... not happening. He wasn't getting fired last year as he was going to get a 2nd year to prove whether he had the answers or not. I agree a lot of pressure on Petersen on how he manages this situation at season end and into the offseason as his recent track record leaves a bit to be desired.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,598 Standard Supporter
    Usually the youth excuse is bullshit. I blasted people on Fagman for using it as a crutch and was subsequently banned.

    In this case, it has a little validity, but it doesn't make up for losing a winnable home game against a middle tier conference opponent. I cam see it in the Boise game a little though.

    I still think this team will get it's shit together eventually. Take screenshots.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Houhusky said:


    1) Forces the ball to Mickens
    2) Doesnt use the senior, junior, RS FR, or sophomore TEs
    3) Doesnt consistently run the football even after it works
    4) Forces the QB to either throw it 50 yards down the field or 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage
    5) Naked Bootleg!!
    7) Marvin Hall is the deep threat
    6) Lindy package
    8) Pettis, Who??!!

    1) I've specifically said elsewhere that forcing the ball to Mickens is a terrible idea
    2) Facts don't support your claims here. Perkins is the 2nd leading receiver on the team behind Washington. Daniels has the 5th most receptions on the team.
    3) No question that this is a massive indictment on SmithFS
    4) Deep routes have been more the exception than the rule ... most passes to WRs and TEs have been quick slants and 7-10 yard stop routes
    5) Naked bootleg worked great against Utah St because we established the run ... didn't work against Cal because we never tried to set up the run. Again, more of an indictment against Smith. It's actually a solid play call set to match with Browning's skills
    6) Hall's fight on the deep balls are a joke ... should earn him some bench time ... indictment of Pease IMO
    7) I understand trying to get Lindy into the game but that ship has more or less sailed ... there's a reason he only showed up for 1 play against Cal
    8) Pettis has seemingly regressed this year (Pease again)
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  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,309 Founders Club
    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    Usually the youth excuse is bullshit. I blasted people on Fagman for using it as a crutch and was subsequently banned.

    In this case, it has a little validity, but it doesn't make up for losing a winnable home game against a middle tier conference opponent. I cam see it in the Boise game a little though.

    I still think this team will get it's shit together eventually. Take screenshots.

    "Eventually" gives us a broad range. Eventually, the UW will screw up and hire a real AD with balls. Said AD will hire a kick-ass head coach who doesn't have retard coordinators. Only then will we see results.

    #infinitemonkeytheorem
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  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    Tequilla said:

    Some of you fucks need to separate emotions from reading what you want to hear ...

    I don't think anybody is saying that Smith is doing a good job ... I'm not. I've been critical of the lack of identity from the offense (thoughts echoed by Kyle Benn). I've noted that even when Smith makes a solid play call, the execution isn't always matching (which often is tied to youth).

    There isn't going to be a mid-season firing. Carry the pitchforks all that you want ... not happening. He wasn't getting fired last year as he was going to get a 2nd year to prove whether he had the answers or not. I agree a lot of pressure on Petersen on how he manages this situation at season end and into the offseason as his recent track record leaves a bit to be desired.

    The only emotion I use is when I channel my anger to break @Dennis_DeYoung television.

    Fire Smith ... it's Peterman's offense.

    It's Peterman's system.

    Just like Dick Rod has not replicated his success without White at QB ... Peterman has yet to replicate his success without Moore. Both are system guys who need system players to be successful.
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  • SteveInShelton
    SteveInShelton Member Posts: 1,611
    The youth excuse ALWAYS comes out at some point. I don't like it because it implies young players are going to improve as they get older. Sometimes that is true but often times players that sucked as freshmen still suck as seniors. Years ago, the UW o line was too young and just wait until they are seniors! Then they became seniors and were still terrible.

    If the young players are a problem now, most likely they will still be a problem years down the road.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    And if Petersen doesn't make a change after this year or makes an underwhelming change, then we know what we have with him as not being the long-term answer. Who is debating this?

    But to think that he's firing Smith now is FS.

    To think that he's going to change the offense midseason is FS.

    And, going on the theory that this is Petersen's offense and it isn't Smith's fault, then the idea would be that Petersen doesn't have the answers and needs to look to others for solutions, any change that gets made at this point is FS anyway.

    It's not hard to see positives in every part of the program but with the offense. Time has to play out to see what the outcome is in that regards.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    And BTW, to @ThomasFremont and @Houhusky ... go fuck yourselves. You two are so irrational at this point that you can't get your heads out of your ass long enough to realize that those that you think are disagreeing with you are automatically doogs and not realizing that they are agreeing with about 81% of your positions.

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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    BallSacked said:

    Some of those teams have a lot of cumulative starts because they played young guys and went through that fire.

    UCLA was young on offense in 2012 and 2013. Arizona was young last year. SC started 3 true Frosh on the OL last year.

    I think those squads got more out of the year than Peterson has.

    Agree. But did they have a true freshman at QB and less than average WRs?
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    topdawgnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Some of you fucks need to separate emotions from reading what you want to hear ...

    I don't think anybody is saying that Smith is doing a good job ... I'm not. I've been critical of the lack of identity from the offense (thoughts echoed by Kyle Benn). I've noted that even when Smith makes a solid play call, the execution isn't always matching (which often is tied to youth).

    There isn't going to be a mid-season firing. Carry the pitchforks all that you want ... not happening. He wasn't getting fired last year as he was going to get a 2nd year to prove whether he had the answers or not. I agree a lot of pressure on Petersen on how he manages this situation at season end and into the offseason as his recent track record leaves a bit to be desired.

    The only emotion I use is when I channel my anger to break @Dennis_DeYoung television.

    Fire Smith ... it's Peterman's offense.

    It's Peterman's system.

    Just like Dick Rod has not replicated his success without White at QB ... Peterman has yet to replicate his success without Moore. Both are system guys who need system players to be successful.
    I don't disagree.

    Petersen needs to figure out what the right change(s) are here. He's doing a lot of good things in the program. The offensive problems have a chance to completely sabotage his tenure here.
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  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,309 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:


    And, going on the theory that this is Petersen's offense and it isn't Smith's fault, then the idea would be that Petersen doesn't have the answers and needs to look to others for solutions, any change that gets made at this point is FS anyway.

    This may be the case.

    I'll automatically hate the next hire too. Until he proves that he can win.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Tequilla said:

    And BTW, to @ThomasFremont and @Houhusky ... go fuck yourselves. You two are so irrational at this point that you can't get your heads out of your ass long enough to realize that those that you think are disagreeing with you are automatically doogs and not realizing that they are agreeing with about 81% of your positions.

    You're not a doog for disagreeing with us. You're a doog for running out multiple doog excuses that we have mocked for years. Are you new here???

    Fuck you. Fuck your excuses.
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  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Tequilla said:

    Some of you fucks need to separate emotions from reading what you want to hear ...

    I don't think anybody is saying that Smith is doing a good job ... I'm not. I've been critical of the lack of identity from the offense (thoughts echoed by Kyle Benn). I've noted that even when Smith makes a solid play call, the execution isn't always matching (which often is tied to youth).

    There isn't going to be a mid-season firing. Carry the pitchforks all that you want ... not happening. He wasn't getting fired last year as he was going to get a 2nd year to prove whether he had the answers or not. I agree a lot of pressure on Petersen on how he manages this situation at season end and into the offseason as his recent track record leaves a bit to be desired.

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  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    HuskyInAZ said:

    BallSacked said:

    Some of those teams have a lot of cumulative starts because they played young guys and went through that fire.

    UCLA was young on offense in 2012 and 2013. Arizona was young last year. SC started 3 true Frosh on the OL last year.

    I think those squads got more out of the year than Peterson has.

    Agree. But did they have a true freshman at QB and less than average WRs?
    I don't think that alone explains 4 or 5 wins difference. WR production is largely systemic before the catch, talent after the catch IMO.

    With how poor the pac12 looks, and how competent the UW defense looks, I think you can't chalk up sub.500 ball simply to youth. Not winning 6 or 7 games after a disappointing year in 2014 I think speaks to a bigger issue.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    PurpleBaze said:

    Tequilla said:


    And, going on the theory that this is Petersen's offense and it isn't Smith's fault, then the idea would be that Petersen doesn't have the answers and needs to look to others for solutions, any change that gets made at this point is FS anyway.

    This may be the case.

    I'll automatically hate the next hire too. Until he proves that he can win.
    I've also compared a lot of what we're seeing right now with Petersen's first couple of years in the PAC to Patterson's first two years in the Big 12 at TCU. I see a ton of similarities. Patterson had to scrap everything he knew and stood for offensively which impacted what he was great at defensively because it wasn't working. He's reaping the rewards right now. Can Petersen do the same?
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,128
    That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    RoadDawg55 said:

    That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...

    You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.

    Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Tequilla said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...

    You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.

    Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
    Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
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  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    ThomasFremont said:

    Tequilla said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...

    You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.

    Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
    Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
    Quite honestly, I don't get what you are arguing about. He has acknowledged that coaching is the problem with a lack of identity. This whole back and forth is absolutely stoopid.

    The only difference between your two arguments is that one thinks it should be blown up right now and that Petersen isn't the guy, and the other wants to see what happens at the end of the season.

    Christ.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Tequilla said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...

    You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.

    Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
    Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
    Quite honestly, I don't get what you are arguing about. He has acknowledged that coaching is the problem with a lack of identity. This whole back and forth is absolutely stoopid.

    The only difference between your two arguments is that one thinks it should be blown up right now and that Petersen isn't the guy, and the other wants to see what happens at the end of the season.

    Christ.
    That is NOT the only difference. And I haven't said Petersen isn't the guy.

    Thanks for reading?
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  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    ThomasFremont said:

    CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Tequilla said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    That young OL was kicking the shit out of Cal in the running game last Saturday. They are young and bad, but Sark had some OL's that were as bad or worse. Greg Christine, Nick Wood, a freshman Shane Brostek, Atoe, Criste...

    You can build an offensive identity behind running the ball down hill, quick slants and comeback routes, the occasional boot & playaction plays, and an occasional play action leading to a deep shot down the field.

    Not only is the identity a problem, but trying to figure out what pieces are your most useful on offense and playing to those strengths is very lacking. Expecting a lot out of the WR is probably foolish because we have a lot of either JAGs or young players that lack consistency.
    Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
    Quite honestly, I don't get what you are arguing about. He has acknowledged that coaching is the problem with a lack of identity. This whole back and forth is absolutely stoopid.

    The only difference between your two arguments is that one thinks it should be blown up right now and that Petersen isn't the guy, and the other wants to see what happens at the end of the season.

    Christ.
    That is NOT the only difference. And I haven't said Petersen isn't the guy.

    Thanks for reading?
    Haven't been able to read every single post in the back and forth between you and others.

    What would you like to see done then? Just so we can get that out there in one spot I guess.
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