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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club
    edited February 4

    I don't think the point LaLane was making isn't that you can eat like shit with no consequences. Instead, it's that if you had to place more importance on being OCD about exercise or being OCD about diet/nutrition, the former is of higher importance. And that being extremely fit, gives you more of a margin for error with regards to diet/nutrition vs a sedentary person.

    Allow me to beat my chest for moment. I'd wager that I probably have the largest peer group here of 45 to 55 year old guysm who were elite at cardio vascular sports at some point in their life. @whlinder too. And due to their competitive nature almost all of these humans stayed fit consistently for decades. There's zero obesity. Zero T2 diabetes. Zero signs of hear disease creeping in, etc. I mean go to tailgate at Husky Stadium of 40 to 60 year old row peter puffer alumni and then go the one with you average 50 years old JAGs. The difference is apparent.

    Exercise is the fountain of youth for these people, not keto, not pure carnivore, not vegan, not cutting out seed oils, etc, etc.

  • EwaDawg
    EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,456
    edited February 4

    I am with Atomic (not Yella) Piss here. At least when it comes to being older and when metabolism has slowed BIGLY. I ran 100 miles in January and didn't drop an ounce.

    When I was younger I could routinely drop 80 pounds via vegan diet and my doctor's metrics indicated I was at the top end of being healthy. Congrats on your magical eyesight.

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club

    I'm blind as a fucking bat.

    I'm just saying I've observed a high number of UW alumni who were consistent about cardiovascular fitness and strength training over decades who were able to maintain consistent weight and other healthy metrics. Exercise was the common denominator, rather than the magic cure diet, de jour.

    And good on you for running a 100 miles. My knee caps would fall off if tried that.

  • EwaDawg
    EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,456
    edited February 4

    @ Yella (FUCK VANILLA and thier 300000000000 characters)

    I would guess that the exercise is king crowd has a fairly healthy pattern of food consumption. (I believe) Optimal health comes with maximizing both. My whole take is that you can't ignore one but if you do the one to ignore is the physical fitness part. Your peter puffers likely learned at a younger age how to eat and they continue to at least avoid gluttony even if it isn't intentional. To me, they are not (and neither is Jack), an example of doing only physical workouts.

    I am reverting to my vegan type regimen (not diet but permanent this time, hardy har har) in March as I am getting back into good habits one (per month) at a time. IKTMFI.

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club

    I think this is valid point @EwaDawg in that my control group, the participants aren't eating like shit. So, yes, diet and nutrition are important. But equally as important (or more so IMHO) is staying active prevented these individuals from becoming metabolically broken in the first place. You can't fake it cardio raspatory fitness and strength. It's hard, and process that takes years. Ask @whlinder about muscle and it's role with glucose.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,927 Founders Club

    You can do it

    I was at 100 push ups a day well into my 60s

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club

    I'm intrigued by the ruck sacking bros.

    Should get one of these things for walking the dog.

  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,413 Founders Club

    Exercise and you dont want to eat like shit. Eat like shit and you don't want to exercise. They play off of each other.

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,832 Founders Club

    So here are some fun facts about elite cycling wattage output.

    My PR for 30 mins on a Peleton is 571 KJ / 318 average watts. Keep in mind I'm an old geezer and I get a 3% discount give or take for elevation (3761 feet).

    Lance when he was winning his first Tour could average 500 watts over 30 mins and he was like 40 pounds lighter than me. The current Tour champ can hold 320 watts for like 3 or 4 hours.