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Plan for Pac-12 becoming a real conference again
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Notre Dame only played three Pac-12 games last year but still won the South Division.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Notre Shame plays five games, but they aren't really a member.TierbsHsotBoobs said:People in this thread forget that Louisville and Notre Dame are ACC teams now. Notre Dame won the Pac-12 South last year you know.
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It was 81 hours, actually.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Yeah but will he take a leave of absence, then come back 30 hours later?AZDuck said:PurpleJ for commish
Also..obligatory
FIFY. You seem to think I'm down and out as a poaster because I haven't given a shit that I've come across as a raving quook for the last several weeks. At any point I could seize first place in the weekly standings if I really wanted to turn it around and make the effort. You're fucking with a sleeping wolf. Spar with someone in your own tier.
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But how was he a bad president?????RoadDawg55 said:
That's why I said college football sucks. I don't think Mark Emmert being president and the product being shit is coincidental. Even your beloved SEC sucks compared to 5 years ago.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
So is the Pac-12. Hope this helps.RoadDawg55 said:
It's still a shitty conference.TierbsHsotBoobs said:People in this thread forget that Louisville and Notre Dame are ACC teams now. Notre Dame won the Pac-12 South last year you know.
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College football doesn't suck
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Having the Egg Bowl decide a playoff spot is like having Butler in the final four though.RaceBannon said:College football doesn't suck
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LIPOTierbsHsotBoobs said:
Having the Egg Bowl decide a playoff spot is like having Butler in the final four though.RaceBannon said:College football doesn't suck
HTH
I still don't think the Egg Bowel winner will be in the playoff. Nor the loser. -
I'm all for LIPO. Auburn looking like the team to beat right now.dnc said:
LIPOTierbsHsotBoobs said:
Having the Egg Bowl decide a playoff spot is like having Butler in the final four though.RaceBannon said:College football doesn't suck
HTH
I still don't think the Egg Bowel winner will be in the playoff. Nor the loser. -
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
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yryk except you underrate the improvement from Neu to MoraFremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
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The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
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No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse. -
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
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Cal vs. Wazzu - Battle for Pac 12 supremacy.dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse. -
I'm now rooting for UW to go 12-1 just so Pool Boy can cost them a play off berth with his schedule
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TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
I purposely didn't quantify anything but instead kept it very general. And I was very conservative in my assessments. CP, Leach and RichRod are the biggest changes so if I was going to quantify it I would create a larger scale.
The general idea is that far more schools have improved their coaching staffs than have regressed.
But Helfrich and Shaw, flawed though they are, still aren't awful. The conference doesn't have a Wulff or a Stoops or Erickson in their later years who you could just count on to be completely incompetent. Sark comes closest but his inadequacies will be masked by the talent he has to play with at USC. -
The conference as a whole is better relative to cfb but with no Kelly or Harbaugh it's worse at the top. Topheavy gets the edge for a playoff.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
Fuck the whole CFB nation is a dreckfest this year.
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Also imagine the epic Doogman butthurt.RaceBannon said:I'm now rooting for UW to go 12-1 just so Pool Boy can cost them a play off berth with his schedule
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I think that he's sticking to realistic scenarios.Purple_Pills said:De-vagitzing the state of California would help too.
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Shouldn't you be losing to Arizona again or something? Oh right, that was on Thursday.oregonblitzkrieg said:No one wants to see those Notre Dame faggots in the playoffs after they got fucked by Alabama the way they did.
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TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
I don't think the Pac's playoff hopes are fading. Whoever wins the conference is a near lock to make the playoffs if they have 2 or fewer losses.
It is true that the conference is weaker at the top but I think its deeper. Only Stanford and USC could challenge Oregon 3-4 years ago.
If the conference has regressed its not due to coaching. I would look at recruiting first. Too many top Cali recruits committing to Oklahoma or SEC schools. -
I think he's more worried about climbing to the TOP of the HH leaderbored after he wakes from his wolf nap.KenND said:
Shouldn't you be losing to Arizona again or something? Oh right, that was on Thursday.oregonblitzkrieg said:No one wants to see those Notre Dame faggots in the playoffs after they got fucked by Alabama the way they did.
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Chip Kelly.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
I don't think the Pac's playoff hopes are fading. Whoever wins the conference is a near lock to make the playoffs if they have 2 or fewer losses.
It is true that the conference is weaker at the top but I think its deeper. Only Stanford and USC could challenge Oregon 3-4 years ago.
If the conference has regressed its not due to coaching. I would look at recruiting first. Too many top Cali recruits committing to Oklahoma or SEC schools. -
Chip is gone, that's why Oregon is being challenged now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
I don't think the Pac's playoff hopes are fading. Whoever wins the conference is a near lock to make the playoffs if they have 2 or fewer losses.
It is true that the conference is weaker at the top but I think its deeper. Only Stanford and USC could challenge Oregon 3-4 years ago.
If the conference has regressed its not due to coaching. I would look at recruiting first. Too many top Cali recruits committing to Oklahoma or SEC schools. -
TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Chip is gone, that's why Oregon is being challenged now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
I don't think the Pac's playoff hopes are fading. Whoever wins the conference is a near lock to make the playoffs if they have 2 or fewer losses.
It is true that the conference is weaker at the top but I think its deeper. Only Stanford and USC could challenge Oregon 3-4 years ago.
If the conference has regressed its not due to coaching. I would look at recruiting first. Too many top Cali recruits committing to Oklahoma or SEC schools.
And because Arizona, WSU and UCLA (next week) are no longer complete pushovers. -
No, because Oregon is average now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Chip is gone, that's why Oregon is being challenged now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
I don't think the Pac's playoff hopes are fading. Whoever wins the conference is a near lock to make the playoffs if they have 2 or fewer losses.
It is true that the conference is weaker at the top but I think its deeper. Only Stanford and USC could challenge Oregon 3-4 years ago.
If the conference has regressed its not due to coaching. I would look at recruiting first. Too many top Cali recruits committing to Oklahoma or SEC schools.
And because Arizona, WSU and UCLA (next week) are no longer complete pushovers. -
TierbsHsotBoobs said:
No, because Oregon is average now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Chip is gone, that's why Oregon is being challenged now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
I don't think the Pac's playoff hopes are fading. Whoever wins the conference is a near lock to make the playoffs if they have 2 or fewer losses.
It is true that the conference is weaker at the top but I think its deeper. Only Stanford and USC could challenge Oregon 3-4 years ago.
If the conference has regressed its not due to coaching. I would look at recruiting first. Too many top Cali recruits committing to Oklahoma or SEC schools.
And because Arizona, WSU and UCLA (next week) are no longer complete pushovers.
2011 final Sagarin ratings:
UO- 2nd
Arizona- 64th
UCLA- 66th
WSU- 83rd
2014 prior to this week:
UO- 3rd
UCLA- 6th
Arizona- 34th
WSU- 53rd. -
Sagarin SUCKS, especially early in the season.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
No, because Oregon is average now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Chip is gone, that's why Oregon is being challenged now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
I don't think the Pac's playoff hopes are fading. Whoever wins the conference is a near lock to make the playoffs if they have 2 or fewer losses.
It is true that the conference is weaker at the top but I think its deeper. Only Stanford and USC could challenge Oregon 3-4 years ago.
If the conference has regressed its not due to coaching. I would look at recruiting first. Too many top Cali recruits committing to Oklahoma or SEC schools.
And because Arizona, WSU and UCLA (next week) are no longer complete pushovers.
2011 final Sagarin ratings:
UO- 2nd
Arizona- 64th
UCLA- 66th
WSU- 83rd
2014 prior to this week:
UO- 3rd
UCLA- 6th
Arizona- 34th
WSU- 53rd. -
TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Sagarin SUCKS,FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
No, because Oregon is average now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Chip is gone, that's why Oregon is being challenged now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
I don't think the Pac's playoff hopes are fading. Whoever wins the conference is a near lock to make the playoffs if they have 2 or fewer losses.
It is true that the conference is weaker at the top but I think its deeper. Only Stanford and USC could challenge Oregon 3-4 years ago.
If the conference has regressed its not due to coaching. I would look at recruiting first. Too many top Cali recruits committing to Oklahoma or SEC schools.
And because Arizona, WSU and UCLA (next week) are no longer complete pushovers.
2011 final Sagarin ratings:
UO- 2nd
Arizona- 64th
UCLA- 66th
WSU- 83rd
2014 prior to this week:
UO- 3rd
UCLA- 6th
Arizona- 34th
WSU- 53rd.especially early in the season. -
TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Sagarin SUCKS, especially early in the season.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
No, because Oregon is average now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Chip is gone, that's why Oregon is being challenged now.FremontTroll said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Then why is the Pac-12's playoff hope fading in the first week of October?dnc said:
No.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The net total of an upgrade using your scoring is +1.5.FremontTroll said:
Every conference loses coaches.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching drain is speaking volumes.PurpleJ said:Bring back Chip and Harbaugh. Get a real coach at USC.
It's a good start.
But the Pac has made some of the best hires in the nation the last few years. Overall the level of coaching is much improved from 3-6 years ago.
2009/2014 comparison
UW: Sark/Pete: huge improvement
WSU: Wulff/Leach: huge improvement
OSU: Riley/Riley: same
UO: Chip/Helfrich: big decline
Cal: Tedford/Dykes: small decline
Stanford: Harbaugh/Shaw: big decline
UCLA: Neuheisel/Mora: small improvement
USC: Kiffin/Sark: wash
Arizona: Stoops/RichRod: huge improvement
ASU: Erickson/Graham: small improvement
So yes the two programs that have carried the flag recently lost their elite coaches and attempted to go back to the same mold but couldn't replicate whatever element made Harbaugh and Chip winners.
But five other schools made very good hires. And after a disastrous first season Dykes has Cal playing much better in year two.
Finally- LOL USC ever and always.
Considering the fucking dreck the conference added in Colorado and Utah, it's not better off overall than it was five years ago.
But the rest of CFB is worse.
I don't think the Pac's playoff hopes are fading. Whoever wins the conference is a near lock to make the playoffs if they have 2 or fewer losses.
It is true that the conference is weaker at the top but I think its deeper. Only Stanford and USC could challenge Oregon 3-4 years ago.
If the conference has regressed its not due to coaching. I would look at recruiting first. Too many top Cali recruits committing to Oklahoma or SEC schools.
And because Arizona, WSU and UCLA (next week) are no longer complete pushovers.
2011 final Sagarin ratings:
UO- 2nd
Arizona- 64th
UCLA- 66th
WSU- 83rd
2014 prior to this week:
UO- 3rd
UCLA- 6th
Arizona- 34th
WSU- 53rd.
Then bring something else to the table other than shit opinions.
Any ranking system you can find will show the same thing: there were a number of extremely shitty teams in the Pac 3+ years ago. Arizona, ASU, UCLA, WSU...all improved massively. -
Also, 2011 Oregon would beat 2014 UCLA by 50 points. Because Chip Kelly.
