Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?
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For the good of the Ukrainian people, I agree. I do not believe that is the primary aim.Bob_C said:
We should be pushing to a negotiated peace, not supplying more and more weapons and cash to string it out.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I tend to agree with @UW_Doog_Bot that whatever the outcome of this fucktarded war, it won't be the immediate end of Putin. Howsoever, this is bleeding Russia of manpower and resources, and maybe/probably political capital, that were pretty shitty to begin with, and Russia is at its most grievous disadvantage with the West in terms of replacement capability. Supposing this fracas accelerates a Russian collapse by some number of years, @greenblood makes an excellent poont: Are weº prepared for that? A belligerent, dictatorial but somewhat cohesive State on Western borders is one thing. A collapsed state is whole other set of problems.greenblood said:I'm on the fence on this one. It's a lot of fucking money, but normally, if the weaponry leads to a complete crumbling of the Russian economy and government, and strikes absolute fear to China, I'm all for it. Fuck those guys.
Unfortunately, the execution afterwards will probably be a shit show, and Russia will be more likely to get Hitler 2.0 to replace Putin than a future leader of democracy. Or worse yet, the country becomes a defacto puppet country of China. So, I'm reserved to the fact that all this money is probably going to leave Europe worse off in 10 years than better.
We fucked up on security guarantees to Ukraine with nuke divestment, and we fucked up with NATO expansion, imo.
Ukraine and Russia have been fighting an information war from the jump, which I do not begrudge Ukraine for as they are fighting for survival and self-determination. Doesn't mean weº have to believe every or anything either side puts out.
As I recall, Gulf War I had geopolitical ripples outward to Soviet-aligned and equipped countries as they witnessed how easily Western military power, a literal half-world away, shredded the Soviet hardware Iraq fielded, even handicapping for the fucktardation of the Iraqis.
Fuck it, I put way too much thought into this. -
You’re forgetting that Putin wanted no part of Joey. This is all Joey trying to prove to the world what a badass in Sunglasses he is. So more Ukrainian children must die.Bob_C said:
We should be pushing to a negotiated peace, not supplying more and more weapons and cash to string it out.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I tend to agree with @UW_Doog_Bot that whatever the outcome of this fucktarded war, it won't be the immediate end of Putin. Howsoever, this is bleeding Russia of manpower and resources, and maybe/probably political capital, that were pretty shitty to begin with, and Russia is at its most grievous disadvantage with the West in terms of replacement capability. Supposing this fracas accelerates a Russian collapse by some number of years, @greenblood makes an excellent poont: Are weº prepared for that? A belligerent, dictatorial but somewhat cohesive State on Western borders is one thing. A collapsed state is whole other set of problems.greenblood said:I'm on the fence on this one. It's a lot of fucking money, but normally, if the weaponry leads to a complete crumbling of the Russian economy and government, and strikes absolute fear to China, I'm all for it. Fuck those guys.
Unfortunately, the execution afterwards will probably be a shit show, and Russia will be more likely to get Hitler 2.0 to replace Putin than a future leader of democracy. Or worse yet, the country becomes a defacto puppet country of China. So, I'm reserved to the fact that all this money is probably going to leave Europe worse off in 10 years than better.
We fucked up on security guarantees to Ukraine with nuke divestment, and we fucked up with NATO expansion, imo.
Ukraine and Russia have been fighting an information war from the jump, which I do not begrudge Ukraine for as they are fighting for survival and self-determination. Doesn't mean weº have to believe every or anything either side puts out.
As I recall, Gulf War I had geopolitical ripples outward to Soviet-aligned and equipped countries as they witnessed how easily Western military power, a literal half-world away, shredded the Soviet hardware Iraq fielded, even handicapping for the fucktardation of the Iraqis.
Fuck it, I put way too much thought into this. -
That 10% goes to Liz Haliburton Cheney. Different Big Guy lineage.Bob_C said:
Once the bombs stop, there’s gonna a shit ton of construction projects financed by the US government to get 10% of.PurpleThrobber said:
There's no 10% off the top for the Big Guy in a negotiated peace.Bob_C said:
We should be pushing to a negotiated peace, not supplying more and more weapons and cash to string it out.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I tend to agree with @UW_Doog_Bot that whatever the outcome of this fucktarded war, it won't be the immediate end of Putin. Howsoever, this is bleeding Russia of manpower and resources, and maybe/probably political capital, that were pretty shitty to begin with, and Russia is at its most grievous disadvantage with the West in terms of replacement capability. Supposing this fracas accelerates a Russian collapse by some number of years, @greenblood makes an excellent poont: Are weº prepared for that? A belligerent, dictatorial but somewhat cohesive State on Western borders is one thing. A collapsed state is whole other set of problems.greenblood said:I'm on the fence on this one. It's a lot of fucking money, but normally, if the weaponry leads to a complete crumbling of the Russian economy and government, and strikes absolute fear to China, I'm all for it. Fuck those guys.
Unfortunately, the execution afterwards will probably be a shit show, and Russia will be more likely to get Hitler 2.0 to replace Putin than a future leader of democracy. Or worse yet, the country becomes a defacto puppet country of China. So, I'm reserved to the fact that all this money is probably going to leave Europe worse off in 10 years than better.
We fucked up on security guarantees to Ukraine with nuke divestment, and we fucked up with NATO expansion, imo.
Ukraine and Russia have been fighting an information war from the jump, which I do not begrudge Ukraine for as they are fighting for survival and self-determination. Doesn't mean weº have to believe every or anything either side puts out.
As I recall, Gulf War I had geopolitical ripples outward to Soviet-aligned and equipped countries as they witnessed how easily Western military power, a literal half-world away, shredded the Soviet hardware Iraq fielded, even handicapping for the fucktardation of the Iraqis.
Fuck it, I put way too much thought into this.
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James Biden helped “rebuild” Iraq. He’s got some sub contractors that could handle it.PurpleThrobber said:
That 10% goes to Liz Haliburton Cheney. Different Big Guy lineage.Bob_C said:
Once the bombs stop, there’s gonna a shit ton of construction projects financed by the US government to get 10% of.PurpleThrobber said:
There's no 10% off the top for the Big Guy in a negotiated peace.Bob_C said:
We should be pushing to a negotiated peace, not supplying more and more weapons and cash to string it out.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I tend to agree with @UW_Doog_Bot that whatever the outcome of this fucktarded war, it won't be the immediate end of Putin. Howsoever, this is bleeding Russia of manpower and resources, and maybe/probably political capital, that were pretty shitty to begin with, and Russia is at its most grievous disadvantage with the West in terms of replacement capability. Supposing this fracas accelerates a Russian collapse by some number of years, @greenblood makes an excellent poont: Are weº prepared for that? A belligerent, dictatorial but somewhat cohesive State on Western borders is one thing. A collapsed state is whole other set of problems.greenblood said:I'm on the fence on this one. It's a lot of fucking money, but normally, if the weaponry leads to a complete crumbling of the Russian economy and government, and strikes absolute fear to China, I'm all for it. Fuck those guys.
Unfortunately, the execution afterwards will probably be a shit show, and Russia will be more likely to get Hitler 2.0 to replace Putin than a future leader of democracy. Or worse yet, the country becomes a defacto puppet country of China. So, I'm reserved to the fact that all this money is probably going to leave Europe worse off in 10 years than better.
We fucked up on security guarantees to Ukraine with nuke divestment, and we fucked up with NATO expansion, imo.
Ukraine and Russia have been fighting an information war from the jump, which I do not begrudge Ukraine for as they are fighting for survival and self-determination. Doesn't mean weº have to believe every or anything either side puts out.
As I recall, Gulf War I had geopolitical ripples outward to Soviet-aligned and equipped countries as they witnessed how easily Western military power, a literal half-world away, shredded the Soviet hardware Iraq fielded, even handicapping for the fucktardation of the Iraqis.
Fuck it, I put way too much thought into this. -
FREE PUB !!!PurpleThrobber said:This got buried in @PostGameOrangeSlices blue and gold boner. But it is the crux of why Putin is such a 'mad man'.
The arrogance of the West was to continue to expand NATO east despite the red-line protestations of Russia.
If Russia or China joined in a military pact with Mexico, and just needed a little more time to get their bases in there, America rightfully would put an end to that right quick. You disavow Russia employing this same logic because it doesn't fit the imperialist mores of the West.
It's goddamned naive to think the US isn't an imperialist nation. We just have been conditioned to think the US military is the world's policemen saving democracy.
How's that worked out in the Middle East, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
It's comical to see the chickenhawks claiming Putin will continue to march through Eastern Europe if not stopped in Ukraine. That's 1960's Domino Theory.
@PostGameOrangeSlices
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Theoretically all currency is fiat. Some more than others.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Lol, let's play a hypothetical, even IF the petrodollar were to be replaced, what % of international capital transactions do you think that's a percentage of?pawz said:
BRICSUW_Doog_Bot said:
Name the solvent BRIC country that's going to be the reserve currency for the others. I'll wait.pawz said:
This is what history will say about the US and UKR after the petrodollar falls.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I dont know shit about fuck. But I know enough to see that Putin and Russia are evil, wannabe imperialists that bit off FAR more than they can chew.Bob_C said:
Whatever they tell you about a war on the news and the NYT and basically everyone else is propaganda. Sad you haven’t realized that yet. I’m not pretending to know what is going on on the ground and back room diplomacy unlike you. Just easy to spot the bullshit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Afghanistan was 100% justified, as was supplying and providing advise in Syria and Ukraine.Bob_C said:
It has everything to do with Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Russia.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What do you people not get. This has EVERYTHING to do with Russia. Russia is the country that started a fucking land war in Europe. Christ on a stick. Russia invaded Ukraine!RaceBannon said:
It's lumped in because you want to minimize what's really happeningUW_Doog_Bot said:
It's weird to lump pension checks in with defense weapons I agree.RaceBannon said:
It's a lot more than selling some gunsUW_Doog_Bot said:I don't really give a shit about the corrupt Ukrainian government. I do feel bad for Ukrainians. That said it's their fight. I see no reason to not sell them the guns to do it though(even at a discount). A reduced Russia is good for us and everyone except Putin.
I'd be happy sending weapons to Taiwan to kill the Chinese as well.
It's weird how divisive that is for some of you.
Its weird to minimize that
So why do so many here keep doing that same thing.
No way in fuck do I think Ukraine should get blank checks or even f-15's let alone actual new tech like f-35(which is still old enough we sell it globally btw).
Some of the retards here still seem to think the M1 that served in the first Iraq war is new tech just because it's still in service. The B52 stratofortress is still in service too.
Russia has been supplying our active enemies for 20+ years. Payback is a bitch and there's literally nothing they can do about it.
This has nothing to do with Russia. Hell they're making money too like the Biden's and Cocaine Mitch
Vietnam and Iraq were mistakes IMO, but Iraq might actually be a functioning country someday which is Chinteresting. Still doesnt justify the military industrial Cheney clusterfuck that is was.
Libya and Yemen, who cares. Small potatoes.
Stop painting with a broad brush and get some perspective. Not every war is the same.
They showed their hand, and it was closer to a 2 7 off suit than it was a pair of aces.
This is clear to most.
Since you like poker analogies, the West is severely overplaying their hand. There won't even be a Pyrrhic victory for the West when this is over.
I suggest you look up the BRICS and their plans.
Our imperialist machinations drove the BRICS into each other's arms.
Make no mistake, I don't want to be right.
Who has the most energy to sell? Take your pick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1zQH69Lams
And no, the Saudis ain't taking shit for stain currencies so again, which BRIC is going to be the reserve? because the Saudis are selling not buying.
@pawz I like you but you are way off base on this one.
Therefor it wouldn't take much for the consortium to pick one, or create a new one.
If the preference was to back it with something tangible, you could use the gold RUS has been stockpiling; you could use the the black gold in the ground the Saudi's have; or you could use the fastest growing economy in China (allegedly).
I don't see how that's a grossly difficult task. The current currency was picked over a a weekend at Bretton Woods.
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pawz said:
Theoretically all currency is fiat. Some more than others.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Lol, let's play a hypothetical, even IF the petrodollar were to be replaced, what % of international capital transactions do you think that's a percentage of?pawz said:
BRICSUW_Doog_Bot said:
Name the solvent BRIC country that's going to be the reserve currency for the others. I'll wait.pawz said:
This is what history will say about the US and UKR after the petrodollar falls.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I dont know shit about fuck. But I know enough to see that Putin and Russia are evil, wannabe imperialists that bit off FAR more than they can chew.Bob_C said:
Whatever they tell you about a war on the news and the NYT and basically everyone else is propaganda. Sad you haven’t realized that yet. I’m not pretending to know what is going on on the ground and back room diplomacy unlike you. Just easy to spot the bullshit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Afghanistan was 100% justified, as was supplying and providing advise in Syria and Ukraine.Bob_C said:
It has everything to do with Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Russia.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What do you people not get. This has EVERYTHING to do with Russia. Russia is the country that started a fucking land war in Europe. Christ on a stick. Russia invaded Ukraine!RaceBannon said:
It's lumped in because you want to minimize what's really happeningUW_Doog_Bot said:
It's weird to lump pension checks in with defense weapons I agree.RaceBannon said:
It's a lot more than selling some gunsUW_Doog_Bot said:I don't really give a shit about the corrupt Ukrainian government. I do feel bad for Ukrainians. That said it's their fight. I see no reason to not sell them the guns to do it though(even at a discount). A reduced Russia is good for us and everyone except Putin.
I'd be happy sending weapons to Taiwan to kill the Chinese as well.
It's weird how divisive that is for some of you.
Its weird to minimize that
So why do so many here keep doing that same thing.
No way in fuck do I think Ukraine should get blank checks or even f-15's let alone actual new tech like f-35(which is still old enough we sell it globally btw).
Some of the retards here still seem to think the M1 that served in the first Iraq war is new tech just because it's still in service. The B52 stratofortress is still in service too.
Russia has been supplying our active enemies for 20+ years. Payback is a bitch and there's literally nothing they can do about it.
This has nothing to do with Russia. Hell they're making money too like the Biden's and Cocaine Mitch
Vietnam and Iraq were mistakes IMO, but Iraq might actually be a functioning country someday which is Chinteresting. Still doesnt justify the military industrial Cheney clusterfuck that is was.
Libya and Yemen, who cares. Small potatoes.
Stop painting with a broad brush and get some perspective. Not every war is the same.
They showed their hand, and it was closer to a 2 7 off suit than it was a pair of aces.
This is clear to most.
Since you like poker analogies, the West is severely overplaying their hand. There won't even be a Pyrrhic victory for the West when this is over.
I suggest you look up the BRICS and their plans.
Our imperialist machinations drove the BRICS into each other's arms.
Make no mistake, I don't want to be right.
Who has the most energy to sell? Take your pick.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1zQH69Lams
And no, the Saudis ain't taking shit for stain currencies so again, which BRIC is going to be the reserve? because the Saudis are selling not buying.
@pawz I like you but you are way off base on this one.
Therefor it wouldn't take much for the consortium to pick one, or create a new one.
If the preference was to back it with something tangible, you could use the gold RUS has been stockpiling; you could use the the black gold in the ground the Saudi's have; or you could use the fastest growing economy in China (allegedly).
I don't see how that's a grossly difficult task. The current currency was picked over a a weekend at Bretton Woods.
I like the @swaye's people in this one.
D'oh...wrong Indians. But those motherfuckers like gold. A Lot.
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A little reductive there, given the state of world at the tim, do you think?pawz said:
Theoretically all currency is fiat. Some more than others.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Lol, let's play a hypothetical, even IF the petrodollar were to be replaced, what % of international capital transactions do you think that's a percentage of?pawz said:
BRICSUW_Doog_Bot said:
Name the solvent BRIC country that's going to be the reserve currency for the others. I'll wait.pawz said:
This is what history will say about the US and UKR after the petrodollar falls.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I dont know shit about fuck. But I know enough to see that Putin and Russia are evil, wannabe imperialists that bit off FAR more than they can chew.Bob_C said:
Whatever they tell you about a war on the news and the NYT and basically everyone else is propaganda. Sad you haven’t realized that yet. I’m not pretending to know what is going on on the ground and back room diplomacy unlike you. Just easy to spot the bullshit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Afghanistan was 100% justified, as was supplying and providing advise in Syria and Ukraine.Bob_C said:
It has everything to do with Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Russia.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
What do you people not get. This has EVERYTHING to do with Russia. Russia is the country that started a fucking land war in Europe. Christ on a stick. Russia invaded Ukraine!RaceBannon said:
It's lumped in because you want to minimize what's really happeningUW_Doog_Bot said:
It's weird to lump pension checks in with defense weapons I agree.RaceBannon said:
It's a lot more than selling some gunsUW_Doog_Bot said:I don't really give a shit about the corrupt Ukrainian government. I do feel bad for Ukrainians. That said it's their fight. I see no reason to not sell them the guns to do it though(even at a discount). A reduced Russia is good for us and everyone except Putin.
I'd be happy sending weapons to Taiwan to kill the Chinese as well.
It's weird how divisive that is for some of you.
Its weird to minimize that
So why do so many here keep doing that same thing.
No way in fuck do I think Ukraine should get blank checks or even f-15's let alone actual new tech like f-35(which is still old enough we sell it globally btw).
Some of the retards here still seem to think the M1 that served in the first Iraq war is new tech just because it's still in service. The B52 stratofortress is still in service too.
Russia has been supplying our active enemies for 20+ years. Payback is a bitch and there's literally nothing they can do about it.
This has nothing to do with Russia. Hell they're making money too like the Biden's and Cocaine Mitch
Vietnam and Iraq were mistakes IMO, but Iraq might actually be a functioning country someday which is Chinteresting. Still doesnt justify the military industrial Cheney clusterfuck that is was.
Libya and Yemen, who cares. Small potatoes.
Stop painting with a broad brush and get some perspective. Not every war is the same.
They showed their hand, and it was closer to a 2 7 off suit than it was a pair of aces.
This is clear to most.
Since you like poker analogies, the West is severely overplaying their hand. There won't even be a Pyrrhic victory for the West when this is over.
I suggest you look up the BRICS and their plans.
Our imperialist machinations drove the BRICS into each other's arms.
Make no mistake, I don't want to be right.
Who has the most energy to sell? Take your pick.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1zQH69Lams
And no, the Saudis ain't taking shit for stain currencies so again, which BRIC is going to be the reserve? because the Saudis are selling not buying.
@pawz I like you but you are way off base on this one.
Therefor it wouldn't take much for the consortium to pick one, or create a new one.
If the preference was to back it with something tangible, you could use the gold RUS has been stockpiling; you could use the the black gold in the ground the Saudi's have; or you could use the fastest growing economy in China (allegedly).
I don't see how that's a grossly difficult task. The current currency was picked over a a weekend at Bretton Woods. -
Compared to the USA under the Putin dick sucker trump the current Ukraine is pure.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You think there is such a thing as non-corrupt countries?Bob_C said:
Not the right board to suck off corrupt countries.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
THEE PGOS is a fan of UkrainePurpleThrobber said:Unless it is stacked like Raquel Welch, has a skilled vag and can suck chrome off a bumper, The Throbber wants no part of anything having to do with Ukraine.
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Full retardationEwaDawg said:
Compared to the USA under the Putin dick sucker trump the current Ukraine is pure.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You think there is such a thing as non-corrupt countries?Bob_C said:
Not the right board to suck off corrupt countries.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
THEE PGOS is a fan of UkrainePurpleThrobber said:Unless it is stacked like Raquel Welch, has a skilled vag and can suck chrome off a bumper, The Throbber wants no part of anything having to do with Ukraine.
Dumbass
Putin hid in the Kremlin when Trump was president
