Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?
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You sound like Biden only dumberPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Race, I generally like you, but sometime you are a complete fucking retard. Like right now.RaceBannon said:
Why didn't your boy protect democracy in Afghanistan?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Zelensky and Ukraine are a million times better than Russia.RaceBannon said:
Why do you keep talking about Russia. Biden voterPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Holy fuck you are so fucking stupid. Suck Russia's dick harder. Those people getting jailed, those opposition parties, and the Russian Orthodox churches were supporting the fucking invasion.RaceBannon said:You don't defend democracy by jailing opponents and banning churches and opposition parties
Zelensky is a gutless punk hiding behind the EU bitch while his people die
Wake the fuck up
Russia literally had sympathizers in the mayor of Kherson and the local Ukranian general, who allowed the Russian military to waltz right into the city. Russia couldn't even hold on to that city.
For the record, if Trump won a second term I 100% believe this shitshow never happens. Trump did not fuck around, it was amazing when he blew Iran's general the fuck up. Trump would have told Putin to fuck right off and Putin would have listened.
Because Zelensky and Ukraine are no better
Fuck em all
America first
Russia is a has been bully that has got away with its bullshit for far too long. Obama did fucking nothing in 2014 when Russia waltzed into Crimea, it was pathetic.
Finally the US has grown some nuts regarding the situation, and dumb fucks like you are towing the line for a genocidal midget maniac.
It's honestly pathetic how ignorant you are on the topic. Educate yourself or shut the fuck up.
Dumbass Biden voter
The establishment needs morons. Thank you for your service
I didn't vote for Biden, the Afghanistan decision was fucking retarded, and you are incapable of nuance.
Educate yourself and then try again. -
I don't agree that the US should have anything to do with pensions in Ukraine. That is fucking stupid.RaceBannon said:Here's your boy
Fuck off
I also think that the response to the East Palestine situation is criminal.
I also think that Biden IS a criminal, and that he should be impeached and imprisoned. "10% for the big guy"
I still believe and know that Ukraine has the right to kick Russia the fuck out of their country, and I support the US supplying old weapons and intelligence.
Wrap your brain around that, cunt. -
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron. -
Look at the fucking map. HTH46XiJCAB said:
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
https://liveuamap.com/
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Bad news for Russia apologists. Looks like the conservative majority UK govt. is going to be the first to provide Ukraine with long range missiles.
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I agree, they are pathetic. History says they get better with time through.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Bob_C said:
So they miscalculated again it sounds like. They are bound to have the right strategy this time.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Bob_C said:
The same band of deep state fuckups that royally miscalculated Ukraine in 2014 are at it again. They’re right this time though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?
This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.
God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.
Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.
Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.
Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.
Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.
Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.
The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
Those dipshits said this war would be over in a week and that Zelensky should flee while he still could. How did that go?
Why is it so hard for you guys to admit that all of the miscalculations in the world, none was bigger and worse than Russia's?
Admit it. Russia is pathetic. -
Who’s counting these 1000’s of dead Russians? Zelensky? Russia has been taking and giving territory since this started according to some experts.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?
This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.
God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.
Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.
Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.
Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.
Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.
Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.
The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
Why is that?
Be honest, you’ve never listened to a counter assessment of the War in Ukraine, have you? You can’t wait until the US sends Troops to seal the deal, can you? -
True, but this current iteration of Russia is a shell of the USSR and its predecessorBob_C said:
I agree, they are pathetic. History says they get better with time through.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Bob_C said:
So they miscalculated again it sounds like. They are bound to have the right strategy this time.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Bob_C said:
The same band of deep state fuckups that royally miscalculated Ukraine in 2014 are at it again. They’re right this time though.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?
This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.
God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.
Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.
Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.
Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.
Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.
Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.
The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
Those dipshits said this war would be over in a week and that Zelensky should flee while he still could. How did that go?
Why is it so hard for you guys to admit that all of the miscalculations in the world, none was bigger and worse than Russia's?
Admit it. Russia is pathetic. -
Look. At. The. Fucking. Map.46XiJCAB said:
Who’s counting these 1000’s of dead Russians? Zelensky? Russia has been taking and giving territory since this started according to some experts.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Get off the Ukraine is winning bong. Honestly go find some alternate sources of info. I’ll take my chances with a guy who served on Schwarzkopf’s team and his analysis.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?
This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
They’re not having too much trouble with the 80’s stuff, if Ukraine came begging for M1 Abrams. Which according to an strategist I was listening to, will end up smoking hulks because they’re not going to be supported in the manner in which the US Military does.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
No one wins a tank charge in today’s modern warfare.
God damn you people are fucking stupid. Look at the map dipshit. See all of that light blue in Ukraine? That was all territory that Russia held at one point that they got their asses kicked out of.
Russia's goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days. They got their asses kicked.
Russia walked into Kherson with no resistance. They got their asses kicked their last summer and had to retreat.
Russia can't even take over Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city that is literally 100 miles from the Russia border.
Russia is wasting THOUSANDS of lives to capture a salt mining town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere using human wave tactics. Congrats that your boys took over Soledar - population 500.
Currently, Ukraine is massing troops for another offensive where they will in all likelihood kick the shit out of Russia in Southern Ukraine.
The amount of ignorance that I've seen in this thread would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
Why is that?
Be honest, you’ve never listened to a counter assessment of the War in Ukraine, have you? You can’t wait until the US sends Troops to seal the deal, can you?
Look at it. -
PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians. -
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
-
PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest. -
They send small numbers. IIRC 4 was countries donation. A NATO country.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Europe has been supplying Ukraine with a ton of shit, and now they are about to supply Ukraine with Leopard II tanks. Not understanding your point here.WestlinnDuck said:
So, Putin just lets the Crimea go. Don't think so. I think he gets a risk free use of tactical nukes. If the Ukraine is worth it, let the Germans pay the price. Europe doesn't think it is worth the price so phuck em.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia is not going to launch nukes. Take all the screenshots you need.PurpleThrobber said:
Pressing what? Statistics and probability?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
PressingPurpleThrobber said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Open your eyes man. IDGAF about 'surplus'. I DO GAF about some mad man on his deathbed (allegedly) being backed into a corner with a nuclear arsenal of 4500 nukes.
And fuck that bullshit about 'democracy' in Ukraine. Those corrupt fucks invented shady elections. Where do you think Dominion got their practice hacking voting machines?
I suppose you also think COVID start in a wet bat market and the vaccine will prevent transmission and save granny.
If Russia nukes the world go ahead and gloat. It's not going to happen.
Covid 100% came from a Chinese lab in Wuhan. Nice try though
You deny that Russia has a nuclear arsenal of at least 4500 warheads?
You are 100% confident that Putin won't launch ANY of them?
The probability of that happening is near 0.
The numbers are Ukraine numbers. Russia is killing NAZI's and Ukraine has them to kill. I can't support NAZI's or midget dancing dictators. Short people have been the cause of the most death on this planet. -
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest. -
You quote Milley twice so shame on you. You proved my point with another that it’s not a winnable tank war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I have listened to plenty. The consensus is that this had been a disaster for Russia and they are absolutely fucked.46XiJCAB said:
You clearly have not listened to any former military personnel talk about Russia’s overall approach to this war. Starting with their initial incursion. Which was encouraged by Joey.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-says-russia-has-lost-the-ukraine-war-2023-2
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/russian-army-has-lost-up-to-half-of-key-battle-tanks-analysts-estimate-ukraine
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/13/russia-putin-war-ukraine-disaster/
https://nypost.com/2023/01/20/russia-has-significantly-more-than-100000-casualties-in-ukraine-milley/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1736394/putin-troops-russia-casualties-wagner-group-mercenaries-uk-ministry-defence-update
No one is arguing that Russia and Ukraine are paying a human toll.
You site an article that concluded with the theme here, that both side will need to negotiate sooner or later. That would be Gen. Milley. -
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest. -
Yup, that’s what you did. Fuck off you sound like a dumbfuck Lib now.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
only the most mouth breathing conservatives can't see it for what it is.46XiJCAB said:
This is just FS shit right here.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The burden of proof is on you.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.
Your idol Putin, not so much.
conservatives with an IQ over 75, like PGOS, can call a spade a spade. -
Of course they will need to negotiate. This isn't ending in nukes.46XiJCAB said:
You quote Milley twice so shame on you. You proved my point with another that it’s not a winnable tank war.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I have listened to plenty. The consensus is that this had been a disaster for Russia and they are absolutely fucked.46XiJCAB said:
You clearly have not listened to any former military personnel talk about Russia’s overall approach to this war. Starting with their initial incursion. Which was encouraged by Joey.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-says-russia-has-lost-the-ukraine-war-2023-2
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/russian-army-has-lost-up-to-half-of-key-battle-tanks-analysts-estimate-ukraine
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/13/russia-putin-war-ukraine-disaster/
https://nypost.com/2023/01/20/russia-has-significantly-more-than-100000-casualties-in-ukraine-milley/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1736394/putin-troops-russia-casualties-wagner-group-mercenaries-uk-ministry-defence-update
No one is arguing that Russia and Ukraine are paying a human toll.
You site an article that concluded with the theme here, that both side will need to negotiate sooner or later. That would be Gen. Milley.
However, Ukraine is taking back big swathes of land while Russia is losing thousands to take small single mile gains around the Donetsk/Luhansk lines of control.
In the last major offensive, Ukraine liberated ALL of Kherson and Kharkiv oblasts. Russian pundits couldn't believe it. -
Joe Biden is POTUS. HTH.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I am completely okay with the status quo here. The US and NATO do the supplying, the Ukrainians and Russias are doing the dying.46XiJCAB said:
Find someone here that has a problem with Ukrainians dying defending their country. The question is how much involvement do you want by the US?PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.
But but DEMOCRACY!
They aren't throwing down. Ukranians like the one in the video I posted are the ones throwing down. They are the ones fighting and dying for their country with balls 10 times bigger than mine and 100 times bigger than yours.
Enough that like all of these proxy wars, we get to the place where your fellow travelers start telling us why US Troops are necessary to “defend democracy” where one doesn’t exist?
At no point in the current situation will the US even fathom putting boots on the ground. -
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest. -
You are retarded. HTH.46XiJCAB said:
Joe Biden is POTUS. HTH.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I am completely okay with the status quo here. The US and NATO do the supplying, the Ukrainians and Russias are doing the dying.46XiJCAB said:
Find someone here that has a problem with Ukrainians dying defending their country. The question is how much involvement do you want by the US?PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.
But but DEMOCRACY!
They aren't throwing down. Ukranians like the one in the video I posted are the ones throwing down. They are the ones fighting and dying for their country with balls 10 times bigger than mine and 100 times bigger than yours.
Enough that like all of these proxy wars, we get to the place where your fellow travelers start telling us why US Troops are necessary to “defend democracy” where one doesn’t exist?
At no point in the current situation will the US even fathom putting boots on the ground. -
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest. -
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.WestlinnDuck said:
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit. -
That whole little matter of the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline may have missed your radar by only watching MSNBC.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
-
Still haven't answered the question, so we have to then assume we have no national interest in who is stealing from the Ukrainians. America, the world's policeman would have been your easy answer.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.WestlinnDuck said:
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQ5678cJU8
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You’re high on the establishment Ukrainian tailpipe hits. Biden is greasing the wheels for a kinetic engagement with Russia. Wake the fuck up.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You are retarded. HTH.46XiJCAB said:
Joe Biden is POTUS. HTH.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I am completely okay with the status quo here. The US and NATO do the supplying, the Ukrainians and Russias are doing the dying.46XiJCAB said:
Find someone here that has a problem with Ukrainians dying defending their country. The question is how much involvement do you want by the US?PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.
But but DEMOCRACY!
They aren't throwing down. Ukranians like the one in the video I posted are the ones throwing down. They are the ones fighting and dying for their country with balls 10 times bigger than mine and 100 times bigger than yours.
Enough that like all of these proxy wars, we get to the place where your fellow travelers start telling us why US Troops are necessary to “defend democracy” where one doesn’t exist?
At no point in the current situation will the US even fathom putting boots on the ground. -
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Look at the fucking map. HTH46XiJCAB said:
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
https://liveuamap.com/
absolute peanut brains
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory? -
We dont know who blew up that pipelinePurpleThrobber said:
That whole little matter of the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline may have missed your radar by only watching MSNBC.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians. -
It's in our best interest to stop Russia from expanding. HthWestlinnDuck said:
Still haven't answered the question, so we have to then assume we have no national interest in who is stealing from the Ukrainians. America, the world's policeman would have been your easy answer.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.WestlinnDuck said:
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQ5678cJU8
Especially when it involves 0 boots on the ground -
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.46XiJCAB said:
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Look at the fucking map. HTH46XiJCAB said:
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
https://liveuamap.com/
absolute peanut brains
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
