Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?
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Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
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You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad -
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy. -
Go ahead. Explain away while I walk the safety up.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
"Near" zero.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia is not going to launch nukes. Take all the screenshots you need.PurpleThrobber said:
Pressing what? Statistics and probability?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
PressingPurpleThrobber said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Open your eyes man. IDGAF about 'surplus'. I DO GAF about some mad man on his deathbed (allegedly) being backed into a corner with a nuclear arsenal of 4500 nukes.
And fuck that bullshit about 'democracy' in Ukraine. Those corrupt fucks invented shady elections. Where do you think Dominion got their practice hacking voting machines?
I suppose you also think COVID start in a wet bat market and the vaccine will prevent transmission and save granny.
If Russia nukes the world go ahead and gloat. It's not going to happen.
Covid 100% came from a Chinese lab in Wuhan. Nice try though
You deny that Russia has a nuclear arsenal of at least 4500 warheads?
You are 100% confident that Putin won't launch ANY of them?
The probability of that happening is near 0.
1% of 4500 warheads is 45.
0.5% is 22
.25% is 11
.125% is 5
How 'near' zero do you want to go and which 5 US cities are going to get leveled?
Your boy Vlad Z is advocating tactical nukes into Russia. You think Vlad P is going to just retaliate in Kyiv?
This isn't how statistics work. Lol.
Nukes will either be used, or they won't.
You guys still won't answer the question of what happens next if the US and Nato didn't supply Ukraine?
Russia takes over Ukraine, then Moldova, then Khazakstan, then Bulgaria, then merges with Serbia, then gets bold enough to invade Western Europe?
You have to nip this shit in the bud which is exactly what is happening. Better than NATO or the US's wildest dreams.
There were actually retards that thought Russia would be a serious adversary to NATO and the US in a hot war. Russia can't even take over hardly any of Ukraine....
Which ONE US city do you sacrifice?
"Near zero"
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And to answer you're question - if NATO doesn't supply, Putin goes into Ukaine as far as he wants. Who gives a fuck? They've been fighting for centuries.
Line up NATO forces on the fucking Ukraine/Polish border. Putin doesn't want any of that action. Ukraine isn't part of NATO. There's no obligation to be there.
Instead the chickenhawks want to show how big their dicks are and back Putin into a situation where he HAS to show his too.
"Almost zero chance'.
At "almost" he has to whip it out.
Capice?
Probably not.
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So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production. -
Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.
But but DEMOCRACY!
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PurpleThrobber said:
Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.
But but DEMOCRACY!
They aren't throwing down. Ukranians like the one in the video I posted are the ones throwing down. They are the ones fighting and dying for their country with balls 10 times bigger than mine and 100 times bigger than yours. -
PurpleThrobber said:
Go ahead. Explain away while I walk the safety up.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
"Near" zero.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia is not going to launch nukes. Take all the screenshots you need.PurpleThrobber said:
Pressing what? Statistics and probability?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
PressingPurpleThrobber said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Open your eyes man. IDGAF about 'surplus'. I DO GAF about some mad man on his deathbed (allegedly) being backed into a corner with a nuclear arsenal of 4500 nukes.
And fuck that bullshit about 'democracy' in Ukraine. Those corrupt fucks invented shady elections. Where do you think Dominion got their practice hacking voting machines?
I suppose you also think COVID start in a wet bat market and the vaccine will prevent transmission and save granny.
If Russia nukes the world go ahead and gloat. It's not going to happen.
Covid 100% came from a Chinese lab in Wuhan. Nice try though
You deny that Russia has a nuclear arsenal of at least 4500 warheads?
You are 100% confident that Putin won't launch ANY of them?
The probability of that happening is near 0.
1% of 4500 warheads is 45.
0.5% is 22
.25% is 11
.125% is 5
How 'near' zero do you want to go and which 5 US cities are going to get leveled?
Your boy Vlad Z is advocating tactical nukes into Russia. You think Vlad P is going to just retaliate in Kyiv?
This isn't how statistics work. Lol.
Nukes will either be used, or they won't.
You guys still won't answer the question of what happens next if the US and Nato didn't supply Ukraine?
Russia takes over Ukraine, then Moldova, then Khazakstan, then Bulgaria, then merges with Serbia, then gets bold enough to invade Western Europe?
You have to nip this shit in the bud which is exactly what is happening. Better than NATO or the US's wildest dreams.
There were actually retards that thought Russia would be a serious adversary to NATO and the US in a hot war. Russia can't even take over hardly any of Ukraine....
Which ONE US city do you sacrifice?
"Near zero"
You are hysterical. Russia isn't going to nuke any US city. They know if would be the end of their civilization. -
WestlinnDuck said:
So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology. -
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
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I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit -
Nikki Haley is doing a pretty solid Liz Cheney impersonation, too.RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
Zelensky AND Liz Cheney are pieces of shit.
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How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber. -
PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country. -
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
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The burden of proof is on you.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.
Your idol Putin, not so much. -
Yikes.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The burden of proof is on you.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.
Your idol Putin, not so much. -
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
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Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country. -
PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group? -
WestlinnDuck said:
Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?
This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin. -
Doogles said:
Yikes.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The burden of proof is on you.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.
Your idol Putin, not so much.
He 100% is. He remained in Kyiv when everyone and their mother was saying that he was fucked and needed to GTFO ASAP.
My man did not need a ride out with the CIA. He needed some fucking ammo.
Russia should have tried a little bit harder with their half assed assassination attempts and dumb fuck invasion plans.
Just look at this shit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/11493qf/the_before_during_and_after_of_a_russian_unit_at/
whoops!
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This isn't the remedial boardPostGameOrangeSlices said:
The burden of proof is on you.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.
Your idol Putin, not so much.
Biden voter
Swallow some more -
Your memory is dogshit if you think I'd vote for Biden. LOL.RaceBannon said:
This isn't the remedial boardPostGameOrangeSlices said:
The burden of proof is on you.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Zelensky is a badass war time leader is what he is.
Your idol Putin, not so much.
Biden voter
Swallow some more
The only ones swallowing here is you guys for Russia. It's fucking embarrassing. -
You don't defend democracy by jailing opponents and banning churches and opposition parties
Zelensky is a gutless punk hiding behind the EU bitch while his people die
Wake the fuck up
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Why did he wait for Biden to get elected?PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?
This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
Why was Trump impeached for looking into Ukraine
Why was Hunter paid millions by Ukraine energy firms?
But Putin!!!!
Simple minded fuck -
Holy fuck you are so fucking stupid. Suck Russia's dick harder. Those people getting jailed, those opposition parties, and the Russian Orthodox churches were supporting the fucking invasion.RaceBannon said:You don't defend democracy by jailing opponents and banning churches and opposition parties
Zelensky is a gutless punk hiding behind the EU bitch while his people die
Wake the fuck up
Russia literally had sympathizers in the mayor of Kherson and the local Ukranian general, who allowed the Russian military to waltz right into the city. Russia couldn't even hold on to that city.
For the record, if Trump won a second term I 100% believe this shitshow never happens. Trump did not fuck around, it was amazing when he blew Iran's general the fuck up. Trump would have told Putin to fuck right off and Putin would have listened.
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Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info? -
So, why is this our fight? All of these places are corrupt theftocracies. Why should I care if the theftocrats are Russian or Georgian or Ukrainian? Did we turn Afghanistan or Iraq into a New Hampshire town hall democracy? Easy question. Don't hurt yourself. I'd rather focus on the real threat of China. Why don't you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?
This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
