The Obvious Voting-Rights Solution That No Democrat Will Propose
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I'm just glad we agree the "free state ID" bullshit is exactly that.Bob_C said:
The ROI on getting a drivers license is probably higher than any purchase in society even at $25. Should probably charge way more given the opportunities out there.HHusky said:
The 21,000,000 people estimated to be in that position must be managing. Of course, they can't vote in some states, so there's that.MikeDamone said:
To what? IDs is the latest topic. How will they manage? Voting, moving around in society…. It’s going to be tough not being able to get that ID.HHusky said:
So Mike would rather change the subject.MikeDamone said:
It’s gonna be a real bitch when they need an ID to go with their vaccine card to buy food.HHusky said:
Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)RaceBannon said:
That would be now dumbassHHusky said:
When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.RaceBannon said:HHusky said:Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.
I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.
Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?
The side that aren’t fascistRaceBannon said:Of course the left wants a national ID registry
They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan
States run elections
Squeal like a pig over free state ID
Demand a national data base
Fuck off
Till then . . .
Fuck off
Quite the surprise.
#Progress -
It will take awhile to phase it in. Obviously you can assign a number at birth (in the US, not Kenya).hardhat said:
How would anyone get these magical national id cards at some point in the future? By showing some form of ID maybe?HHusky said:
You need ID to get "free ID". A social security card is not by itself enough to get a "free ID" in any state I've looked at.hardhat said:
Where are you going with this birth certificate thing? Because you need ID just to get it, such as a social security card...which is free.HHusky said:
Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)RaceBannon said:
That would be now dumbassHHusky said:
When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.RaceBannon said:HHusky said:Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.
I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.
Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?
The side that aren’t fascistRaceBannon said:Of course the left wants a national ID registry
They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan
States run elections
Squeal like a pig over free state ID
Demand a national data base
Fuck off
Till then . . .
Fuck off
I'm sure if the same furreners who require voter ID could figure it out, real 'muricans can too. -
Give it away for free, I don’t care. Point is people would willing to pay a lot for it because of what it unlocks. Which tells you it isn’t actually a real problem. If you don’t have an ID I can’t imagine that voting in the midterms is what you care about anyways.HHusky said:
I'm just glad we agree the "free state ID" bullshit is exactly that.Bob_C said:
The ROI on getting a drivers license is probably higher than any purchase in society even at $25. Should probably charge way more given the opportunities out there.HHusky said:
The 21,000,000 people estimated to be in that position must be managing. Of course, they can't vote in some states, so there's that.MikeDamone said:
To what? IDs is the latest topic. How will they manage? Voting, moving around in society…. It’s going to be tough not being able to get that ID.HHusky said:
So Mike would rather change the subject.MikeDamone said:
It’s gonna be a real bitch when they need an ID to go with their vaccine card to buy food.HHusky said:
Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)RaceBannon said:
That would be now dumbassHHusky said:
When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.RaceBannon said:HHusky said:Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.
I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.
Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?
The side that aren’t fascistRaceBannon said:Of course the left wants a national ID registry
They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan
States run elections
Squeal like a pig over free state ID
Demand a national data base
Fuck off
Till then . . .
Fuck off
Quite the surprise.
#Progress -
The Iwo Jima veteran who couldn't vote three or four years back is looking for a driver's license to unlock opportunities?Bob_C said:
Give it away for free, I don’t care. Point is people would willing to pay a lot for it because of what it unlocks. Which tells you it isn’t actually a real problem. If you don’t have an ID I can’t imagine that voting in the midterms is what you care about anyways.HHusky said:
I'm just glad we agree the "free state ID" bullshit is exactly that.Bob_C said:
The ROI on getting a drivers license is probably higher than any purchase in society even at $25. Should probably charge way more given the opportunities out there.HHusky said:
The 21,000,000 people estimated to be in that position must be managing. Of course, they can't vote in some states, so there's that.MikeDamone said:
To what? IDs is the latest topic. How will they manage? Voting, moving around in society…. It’s going to be tough not being able to get that ID.HHusky said:
So Mike would rather change the subject.MikeDamone said:
It’s gonna be a real bitch when they need an ID to go with their vaccine card to buy food.HHusky said:
Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)RaceBannon said:
That would be now dumbassHHusky said:
When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.RaceBannon said:HHusky said:Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.
I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.
Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?
The side that aren’t fascistRaceBannon said:Of course the left wants a national ID registry
They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan
States run elections
Squeal like a pig over free state ID
Demand a national data base
Fuck off
Till then . . .
Fuck off
Quite the surprise.
#Progress -
It would take time to phase anything in. Even now, a state could issue this, making it free for those that do not have the money to pay for it, or to just not charge for it at all and to automatically issue it to everyone that has a driver's license or passport. It's possible. But what bothers me, snarkiness aside:HHusky said:
It will take awhile to phase it in. Obviously you can assign a number at birth (in the US, not Kenya).hardhat said:
How would anyone get these magical national id cards at some point in the future? By showing some form of ID maybe?HHusky said:
You need ID to get "free ID". A social security card is not by itself enough to get a "free ID" in any state I've looked at.hardhat said:
Where are you going with this birth certificate thing? Because you need ID just to get it, such as a social security card...which is free.HHusky said:
Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)RaceBannon said:
That would be now dumbassHHusky said:
When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.RaceBannon said:HHusky said:Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.
I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.
Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?
The side that aren’t fascistRaceBannon said:Of course the left wants a national ID registry
They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan
States run elections
Squeal like a pig over free state ID
Demand a national data base
Fuck off
Till then . . .
Fuck off
I'm sure if the same furreners who require voter ID could figure it out, real 'muricans can too.
Isn't it racist to require ID to vote? This was an argument until quite recently. It was also said that it was too hard for black people to get to a Xerox machine. -
It's a fucking silly waste of energy and money to prevent a crime that isn't being committed. I've never said it's racist. If the very young and old, the poor, or African Americans were overwhelmingly voting Republican, Republicans would never turn down those votes and wouldn't sponsor voter ID legislation. This is only about who votes Democrat; nobody is trying to suppress the vote because of race.hardhat said:
It would take time to phase anything in. Even now, a state could issue this, making it free for those that do not have the money to pay for it, or to just not charge for it at all and to automatically issue it to everyone that has a driver's license or passport. It's possible. But what bothers me, snarkiness aside:HHusky said:
It will take awhile to phase it in. Obviously you can assign a number at birth (in the US, not Kenya).hardhat said:
How would anyone get these magical national id cards at some point in the future? By showing some form of ID maybe?HHusky said:
You need ID to get "free ID". A social security card is not by itself enough to get a "free ID" in any state I've looked at.hardhat said:
Where are you going with this birth certificate thing? Because you need ID just to get it, such as a social security card...which is free.HHusky said:
Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)RaceBannon said:
That would be now dumbassHHusky said:
When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.RaceBannon said:HHusky said:Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.
I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.
Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?
The side that aren’t fascistRaceBannon said:Of course the left wants a national ID registry
They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan
States run elections
Squeal like a pig over free state ID
Demand a national data base
Fuck off
Till then . . .
Fuck off
I'm sure if the same furreners who require voter ID could figure it out, real 'muricans can too.
Isn't it racist to require ID to vote? This was an argument until quite recently. It was also said that it was too hard for black people to get to a Xerox machine. -
Who is them?HHusky said:
I quoted the comment I was replying to. See if you can figure it out.MikeDamone said:
Who is “them”?HHusky said:
Weird that you're worried about them voting then.RaceBannon said:@HHusky voted for the moron who is jacking up gas prices and inflation directly fucking the poor but he cares about free ID being unaffordable
Biden voters. -
The fact that most countries in the world require it invalidates that conspiracy theory.HHusky said:
It's a fucking silly waste of energy and money to prevent a crime that isn't being committed. I've never said it's racist. If the very young and old, the poor, or African Americans were overwhelmingly voting Republican, Republicans would never turn down those votes and wouldn't sponsor voter ID legislation. This is only about who votes Democrat; nobody is trying to suppress the vote because of race.hardhat said:
It would take time to phase anything in. Even now, a state could issue this, making it free for those that do not have the money to pay for it, or to just not charge for it at all and to automatically issue it to everyone that has a driver's license or passport. It's possible. But what bothers me, snarkiness aside:HHusky said:
It will take awhile to phase it in. Obviously you can assign a number at birth (in the US, not Kenya).hardhat said:
How would anyone get these magical national id cards at some point in the future? By showing some form of ID maybe?HHusky said:
You need ID to get "free ID". A social security card is not by itself enough to get a "free ID" in any state I've looked at.hardhat said:
Where are you going with this birth certificate thing? Because you need ID just to get it, such as a social security card...which is free.HHusky said:
Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)RaceBannon said:
That would be now dumbassHHusky said:
When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.RaceBannon said:HHusky said:Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.
I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.
Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?
The side that aren’t fascistRaceBannon said:Of course the left wants a national ID registry
They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan
States run elections
Squeal like a pig over free state ID
Demand a national data base
Fuck off
Till then . . .
Fuck off
I'm sure if the same furreners who require voter ID could figure it out, real 'muricans can too.
Isn't it racist to require ID to vote? This was an argument until quite recently. It was also said that it was too hard for black people to get to a Xerox machine. -
C'mon. You got a Roosevelt education and you're not on the GOP payroll. You know this is about how certain populations vote. Voter impersonation at the polls is a felony--the prize for taking that risk is one vote--and your odds of ever seeing it rival your odds of winning the grand prize in the Powerball drawing.hardhat said:
The fact that most countries in the world require it invalidates that conspiracy theory.HHusky said:
It's a fucking silly waste of energy and money to prevent a crime that isn't being committed. I've never said it's racist. If the very young and old, the poor, or African Americans were overwhelmingly voting Republican, Republicans would never turn down those votes and wouldn't sponsor voter ID legislation. This is only about who votes Democrat; nobody is trying to suppress the vote because of race.hardhat said:
It would take time to phase anything in. Even now, a state could issue this, making it free for those that do not have the money to pay for it, or to just not charge for it at all and to automatically issue it to everyone that has a driver's license or passport. It's possible. But what bothers me, snarkiness aside:HHusky said:
It will take awhile to phase it in. Obviously you can assign a number at birth (in the US, not Kenya).hardhat said:
How would anyone get these magical national id cards at some point in the future? By showing some form of ID maybe?HHusky said:
You need ID to get "free ID". A social security card is not by itself enough to get a "free ID" in any state I've looked at.hardhat said:
Where are you going with this birth certificate thing? Because you need ID just to get it, such as a social security card...which is free.HHusky said:
Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)RaceBannon said:
That would be now dumbassHHusky said:
When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.RaceBannon said:HHusky said:Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.
I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.
Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?
The side that aren’t fascistRaceBannon said:Of course the left wants a national ID registry
They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan
States run elections
Squeal like a pig over free state ID
Demand a national data base
Fuck off
Till then . . .
Fuck off
I'm sure if the same furreners who require voter ID could figure it out, real 'muricans can too.
Isn't it racist to require ID to vote? This was an argument until quite recently. It was also said that it was too hard for black people to get to a Xerox machine.
A national ID program to prevent voter impersonation is a boondoggle. But I am willing to see us adopt it in order to avoid this evidence-free claim of massive voter impersonation in future. It won't be the first good money we've ever thrown after bad. -
poc dont know how to file taxesBob_C said:The IRS has the real teeth and could actually be useful. Require an Id # that is cross checked when taxes are filed. No ID on your form and your taxes aren’t considered filed. Since it’s required to file taxes, it’s no longer racist.
