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The Obvious Voting-Rights Solution That No Democrat Will Propose

hardhat
hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
edited August 2021 in Tug Tavern
Democrats in congress are considering a policy that was long unthinkable: a federal requirement that every American show identification before casting a ballot. But as the party tries to pass voting-rights legislation before the next election, it is ignoring a companion proposal that could ensure that a voter-ID law leaves no one behind—an idea that is as obvious as it is historically controversial. What if the government simply gave an ID card to every voting-age citizen in the country?

Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards. In places such as France and Germany, citizens pick up their identity card when they turn 16 and present it once they’re eligible to vote. Out of nearly 200 countries across the world, at least 170 have some form of national ID or are implementing one, according to the political scientist Magdalena Krajewska...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/08/voting-rights-national-id-card/619772/

There's lots to unpack here.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited August 2021
    An ID card costs you like $10. It's not the cost that's the problem. Rather, it's that it hinders their ability to stuff ballot boxes.
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    They'd have to backtrack on their ridiculous claims of racism and the fact that most of the world requires it, but on the other hand, I do see them embracing this soon.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    edited August 2021
    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,678 Founders Club
    The IRS has the real teeth and could actually be useful. Require an Id # that is cross checked when taxes are filed. No ID on your form and your taxes aren’t considered filed. Since it’s required to file taxes, it’s no longer racist.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    edited August 2021

    Never doubt any government's ability to use something like this as a power grab, but more importantly, to fuck it up:

    The nightmare is a reality in India. Reports from the country suggest that the government’s national ID system — Aadhaar, which holds personal data belonging to more than one billion people — was compromised.

    On the slight positive side, the breach wasn’t down to hackers — at least on this occasion. The access hole was publicized after Indian newspaper The Tribune paid a man less than $10 in exchange for administration access to the database. Reporters from the paper were then given a username and password that allowed them to access information on any citizen by entering their 12-digit number.

    It gets worse. BuzzFeed tracked down the seller down — a man going by the pseudonym Anil Kumar — and he told the publication that The Tribune deal was just one of eight transactions that he made that week. Each time he sold access to the database for 500 INR, around $8, using a contact he had on WhatsApp to get the requirement admin name and password.

    “I paid Rs. 6,000 (approximately $95) to an anonymous person in a WhatsApp group I was a part of to create a username and password to the Aadhaar database for myself. I was told that I could then create as many usernames and passwords to access the database as I wanted. I sold each of them to make my Rs. 6,000 back,” Kumar told BuzzFeed.

    In response to the situation, India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party took a line right out of President Trump playbook, calling reports of a breach “fake news.”
    https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/04/indias-national-id-database-is-reportedly-accessible-for-less-than-10/
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    It’s gonna be a real bitch when they need an ID to go with their vaccine card to buy food.
    So Mike would rather change the subject.

    Quite the surprise.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    HHusky said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    It’s gonna be a real bitch when they need an ID to go with their vaccine card to buy food.
    So Mike would rather change the subject.

    Quite the surprise.
    To what? IDs is the latest topic. How will they manage? Voting, moving around in society…. It’s going to be tough not being able to get that ID.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    It’s gonna be a real bitch when they need an ID to go with their vaccine card to buy food.
    So Mike would rather change the subject.

    Quite the surprise.
    To what? IDs is the latest topic. How will they manage? Voting, moving around in society…. It’s going to be tough not being able to get that ID.
    The 21,000,000 people estimated to be in that position must be managing. Of course, they can't vote in some states, so there's that.
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    It’s gonna be a real bitch when they need an ID to go with their vaccine card to buy food.
    So Mike would rather change the subject.

    Quite the surprise.
    To what? IDs is the latest topic. How will they manage? Voting, moving around in society…. It’s going to be tough not being able to get that ID.
    The poster @MikeDamone speaks wisely:

    "Aadhaar isn’t mandatory in India, but a massive campaign to sign citizens up made it almost feel like it was last year. The ID system has crept into a range of services, such as school enrollment, ration disbursements and other national/government projects. Facebook even embraced it via a pilot that encouraged new users to provide details from their ID.

    In October, the government denied that a girl in eastern state Jharkhand had died from starvation because her family was refused rations for failing to sign up to Aadhaar. "
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    Maybe use the $500/ month per child “child tax credit”. They’d still have $475 for weed!
    The elderly poor are unlikely to be receiving a child tax credit.

    $25 is actually infinitely times more money than free, btw
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    hardhat said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    It’s gonna be a real bitch when they need an ID to go with their vaccine card to buy food.
    So Mike would rather change the subject.

    Quite the surprise.
    To what? IDs is the latest topic. How will they manage? Voting, moving around in society…. It’s going to be tough not being able to get that ID.
    The poster @MikeDamone speaks wisely:

    There are no true statements that begin this way.
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    Where are you going with this birth certificate thing? Because you need ID just to get it, such as a social security card...which is free.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited September 2021
    HHusky said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    Maybe use the $500/ month per child “child tax credit”. They’d still have $475 for weed!
    The elderly poor are unlikely to be receiving a child tax credit.

    $25 is actually infinitely times more money than free, btw
    Then peel of $25 from the $2500 or so they got for covid relief. Then they have almost 100 times that amount left for fun!
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    Maybe use the $500/ month per child “child tax credit”. They’d still have $475 for weed!
    The elderly poor are unlikely to be receiving a child tax credit.

    $25 is actually infinitely times more money than free, btw
    Then peel of $25 from the $2500 or so they got for covid relief. Then they have almost 100 times that amount left for fun!
    The poll tax was only $1.50. You must have approved.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    Where are you going with this birth certificate thing? Because you need ID just to get it, such as a social security card...which is free.
    You need ID to get "free ID". A social security card is not by itself enough to get a "free ID" in any state I've looked at.
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,678 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    It’s gonna be a real bitch when they need an ID to go with their vaccine card to buy food.
    So Mike would rather change the subject.

    Quite the surprise.
    To what? IDs is the latest topic. How will they manage? Voting, moving around in society…. It’s going to be tough not being able to get that ID.
    The 21,000,000 people estimated to be in that position must be managing. Of course, they can't vote in some states, so there's that.
    The ROI on getting a drivers license is probably higher than any purchase in society even at $25. Should probably charge way more given the opportunities out there.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    RaceBannon said:

    @HHusky voted for the moron who is jacking up gas prices and inflation directly fucking the poor but he cares about free ID being unaffordable

    Biden voters.

    Weird that you're worried about them voting then.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    @HHusky voted for the moron who is jacking up gas prices and inflation directly fucking the poor but he cares about free ID being unaffordable

    Biden voters.

    Weird that you're worried about them voting then.
    Who is “them”?
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    @HHusky voted for the moron who is jacking up gas prices and inflation directly fucking the poor but he cares about free ID being unaffordable

    Biden voters.

    Weird that you're worried about them voting then.
    Who is “them”?
    I quoted the comment I was replying to. See if you can figure it out.
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Voter-ID requirements are the norm in many countries, as Republicans are fond of pointing out. But so are national ID cards.

    I've been saying this for years. Just provide everyone a national ID card.

    Which side of the aisle will most strongly object to that proposal?

    RaceBannon said:

    Of course the left wants a national ID registry

    They just gave the Taliban the one from Afghanistan

    States run elections

    The side that aren’t fascist


    Squeal like a pig over free state ID

    Demand a national data base

    Fuck off
    When people aren't spending money they don't have in order to get "free state ID", you'll have a point.

    Till then . . .

    Fuck off
    That would be now dumbass
    Which counties are giving away birth certificates? (King County wants $25)
    Where are you going with this birth certificate thing? Because you need ID just to get it, such as a social security card...which is free.
    You need ID to get "free ID". A social security card is not by itself enough to get a "free ID" in any state I've looked at.
    How would anyone get these magical national id cards at some point in the future? By showing some form of ID maybe?
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