New Poll Shows Almost HALF Of Women Want To Stay HOME, Not Work

Making a rare appearance in the Tug to say:

1. This belongs on the Finance board. I'll reprise it in slightly shinier wrapping at a later date.

2. My wife stayed home. Can't say if they were better for that reason, or by reason of their superior swarthy genetics (Charles Murray's opinions notwithstanding). I will say this: I have three girls, and they are fucking educated and I have advised them to (1) have a career and (2) live near their mother.

I'll amplify my rationale for #2. First, nobody will take care of those babies better than my wife, and it will be free, and it will free me to go fuck around and do whatever I want because my wife will be blissfully unaware and give no fucks about what I am doing. Second, the odds of marrying an asshole or loser can be greatly reduced based on where you meet him. Both of my girls in serious relationships (one of them is married) met Mr. Wonderful in college. Good. Slightly better odds than in HS or a fucking bar. The third one is dating a guy she met in grad school. Even better. But even with superior breeding and social engineering, there are still decent odds you are going to marry the wrong person. People change, and frankly, nobody really knows anybody until they've seen them react in the trenches.

The problem with this little trip down reactionary lane with you well-intentioned gentlemen is this: the world in which women stayed home was also a world in which they had little power and influence and were beholden to the men in their lives for the basics of food and shelter, much less a "good life." Next to zero autonomy. Creep's kids will be self-sufficient well into the financial zone of wealth building where Eddie Murphy's "Half!!!!!!!" actually means something.

But if you want to raise your daughters with that vulnerability, like the Mormons do, go right ahead. We? won't protest.

Prestonluv said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Prestonluv said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Too bad you guys built an economy where both people in a couple have to work.

Given Tim’s previous comments, blaming feminism for why he can’t get laid, I wouldn’t take much of what he has to say here seriously.

No they dont in most cases. It's a matter of whether couples want to struggle financially in order to have a stay at home parent.

My kids had a stay at home mom their whole childhood. We struggled financially the first 4-5 years because of this but learned how to survive. Maybe we didn't go on vacation and maybe we didn't have nice cars or own a home....but guess what....nobody else raised our kids either. Nobody else changed their diaper during the day or got to see them walk and talk first. My wife saw everything and was there for them at all times during day and I was there at night time when I got home from work. People have their priorities fucked up. They value positions and social standing and nice cars over family.

I made around 40k a year the first 3 years on average and about 70k on average the next three years.

40k single income family is lower class in seattle and 70k is lower middle class in seattle. I eventually made more but we lived on scraps for the first 5-6 years and it was all worth it

My kids are 18 and 21 and super sweet and kind and respectful. I'm not saying that kids can't be that way from homes that have both parents working or from single parent homes....I'm saying it happens more often when you have a loving parent there at all times to care for them and guide them especially when they are young.

When my kids both hit elementary school then their mom found a part time job during day.

Easy peasy.

I have no problem saying that couples who both decide to work full time in the first 5-6 years of their kids life are doing them a disservice

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/10/09/millennials-own-less-than-5percent-of-all-us-wealth.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/us-birthrate-decline-millennials-delay-having-kids-2019-5?amp

https://agranato.medium.com/can-a-millennial-single-earner-support-a-traditional-middle-class-family-8a1e2fee20be

This last one is trying to create the best, cleanest, in a vacuum scenario for can millennial parents live a middle class life with kids on a single income and when they gets there, they says this.

Actually implementing this in real life would require very strong patience and discipline. This would mean virtually no eating at restaurants, international travel, or expensive purchases in general, including in years that are several years before actually having children in order to build up a substantial nest egg. It would require that they consistently be able to get raises that exceed inflation and not have any substantial period of unemployment. In other words, it would require substantial luck and willingness to pinch pennies for decades. But if you have a bachelor’s degree and run the table, the numbers do work.

No, for most of us it is not a choice between dual incomes and struggling a little bit. Even in your worthless, anecdotal life story, your wife still eventually got a part time job. It is a dual income economy if you want kids. That is what the numbers show.

She got the job mainly for adult interaction.
By the time she got it I was making more money.

We lived in a 900 square foot home. We never went out. We didn't go on a vacation until they were 7 and 10. We never did anything expensive. We shopped at low income stores and got our clothes from garage sales in upper class neighborhoods.

We had one car and no financial help from anyone.

You can post all the links you want. I lived it in one of the richest cities on the face of this earth.

Sounds depressing af.

DoogieMcDoogerson said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Prestonluv said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Prestonluv said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Too bad you guys built an economy where both people in a couple have to work.

Given Tim’s previous comments, blaming feminism for why he can’t get laid, I wouldn’t take much of what he has to say here seriously.

No they dont in most cases. It's a matter of whether couples want to struggle financially in order to have a stay at home parent.

My kids had a stay at home mom their whole childhood. We struggled financially the first 4-5 years because of this but learned how to survive. Maybe we didn't go on vacation and maybe we didn't have nice cars or own a home....but guess what....nobody else raised our kids either. Nobody else changed their diaper during the day or got to see them walk and talk first. My wife saw everything and was there for them at all times during day and I was there at night time when I got home from work. People have their priorities fucked up. They value positions and social standing and nice cars over family.

I made around 40k a year the first 3 years on average and about 70k on average the next three years.

40k single income family is lower class in seattle and 70k is lower middle class in seattle. I eventually made more but we lived on scraps for the first 5-6 years and it was all worth it

My kids are 18 and 21 and super sweet and kind and respectful. I'm not saying that kids can't be that way from homes that have both parents working or from single parent homes....I'm saying it happens more often when you have a loving parent there at all times to care for them and guide them especially when they are young.

When my kids both hit elementary school then their mom found a part time job during day.

Easy peasy.

I have no problem saying that couples who both decide to work full time in the first 5-6 years of their kids life are doing them a disservice

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/10/09/millennials-own-less-than-5percent-of-all-us-wealth.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/us-birthrate-decline-millennials-delay-having-kids-2019-5?amp

https://agranato.medium.com/can-a-millennial-single-earner-support-a-traditional-middle-class-family-8a1e2fee20be

This last one is trying to create the best, cleanest, in a vacuum scenario for can millennial parents live a middle class life with kids on a single income and when they gets there, they says this.

Actually implementing this in real life would require very strong patience and discipline. This would mean virtually no eating at restaurants, international travel, or expensive purchases in general, including in years that are several years before actually having children in order to build up a substantial nest egg. It would require that they consistently be able to get raises that exceed inflation and not have any substantial period of unemployment. In other words, it would require substantial luck and willingness to pinch pennies for decades. But if you have a bachelor’s degree and run the table, the numbers do work.

No, for most of us it is not a choice between dual incomes and struggling a little bit. Even in your worthless, anecdotal life story, your wife still eventually got a part time job. It is a dual income economy if you want kids. That is what the numbers show.

She got the job mainly for adult interaction.
By the time she got it I was making more money.

We lived in a 900 square foot home. We never went out. We didn't go on a vacation until they were 7 and 10. We never did anything expensive. We shopped at low income stores and got our clothes from garage sales in upper class neighborhoods.

We had one car and no financial help from anyone.

You can post all the links you want. I lived it in one of the richest cities on the face of this earth.

It can be extremely difficult for people to accept that a system that worked for them, that benefits them, doesn’t work.

I’m reminded of this photo



This was used by the right to prove that poor people could work their way up, that black people could make it in America. A singular example to disprove statistical fact. The American dream is more real in Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Germany, France, Slovenia, Canada, Japan, Australia, Malta, Ireland, Czechia, Singapore, UK, New Zealand, Estonia, Portugal, South Korea and Lithuania. And down here at 27th, in social mobility, is the United States of America. But that one lady made it so everything must be fine.

You worked hard, you sacrificed, you made it, no one is taking that away from you. Lots of people work hard, lots of people sacrifice, you’re not a special snowflake.

You are so full of crap, man. Open your F'ing eyes.

Preston?

thechatch said:

TheKobeStopper said:

thechatch said:

Here’s the thing that shit-ass millennials and Gen Zers need to get through their heads.

When you’re young, you’re poor and you’re expected to work your ass off in order to succeed and eventually provide for a family. Not everyone makes it. Not everyone is talented, or organized, or driven, or intelligent enough to reach the kinds of success that capitalism and the American way of life can produce.

That said, the opportunity exists, and instead of whining and bitching like little children over free healthcare and debt forgiveness, it would benefit everyone if these people in TKS’ demo would simply shut the fuck up, pick up a lunch box, and go out and try to do something besides waxing philosophical on Twitter for a change.

We all had to do it. There’s no fucking earthly reason why you shouldn’t, at our expense. Every generation in the history of the American experience has had to have the come to Jesus talk from those prior, but it seems very apparent you’ve taken the intellectually dishonest pandering by leftist media too seriously, and, instead of that sentinel talk from your parents leading toward work ethic, innovation, and new industry, it’s led to “Ok, Boomer” while you hold up your selfie stick for the Instagram post that you hope leads toward a “career” as an influencer or whatever.

So, fuck your debt forgiveness and your free healthcare, and your universal basic income, and your green new deal. Go get a job and do some fucking work. We are wholly uninterested in sacrificing decades of labor and sacrifice so that you don’t have to pay off your degrees in sociology or art history.

HTH

I’m sure that felt really good to write but facts don’t care about your feelings.

Millennials have 5% of the wealth in this country, at the same point boomers had 21%. We did not all go through this. But yeah man it’s about selfie sticks and avocado toast. We are wholly uninterested in taking advice from two generations that were handed great economy’s and ran them into the ground.

Yet here you are with your hand out like a 6 year old, crying gimme gimme gimme. How old are you? Where did you go to school again? What degree program? What do you do for work?

Why can’t you get your own health insurance? Why do you need someone else to pay your student loans? Why do you need the government to provide you with an income?

We never asked for any of that shit. What makes you so fucking special?

Medicare For All and cancelling student debt will not benefit me at all. My choice to support those policies is based on what will most benefit the people and economy of this country, both in the short term and the long term.

You didn’t ask for any of that shit because you didn’t have to.