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YellowSnow
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@creepycoug how do I keep my sons from becoming lowly quooks or boovs?
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I don't want my sons to have do what I have done. I wanted better for them. I wanted them to be Senator or president
Pop, why would I want to be another peasant? -
Send them to Willamette or George Fox?
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Anyway, you’re drinking more.RaceBannon said:I don't want my sons to have do what I have done. I wanted better for them. I wanted them to be Senator or president
Pop, why would I want to be another peasant? -
Is Willamtte any good academically? I tend to be anti private school unless it’s elite enough to merit the cost.whlinder said:Send them to Willamette or George Fox?
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I have no idea. I only mentioned the two Oregon schools I know other than the gas pumpers in our conference because my cousin went to George Fox and my dad went to Willamette. Both are pretty smart and got advanced degrees and aren’t fuck ups, but that’s obviously a tiny sample.YellowSnow said:
Is Willamtte any good academically? I tend to be anti private school unless it’s elite enough to merit the cost.whlinder said:Send them to Willamette or George Fox?
Agree on private schools in general. I’ve got a couple of years to convince my kid that Penn State is not worth the money over Virginia schools. -
My row boat dude, you are chocked full of public ivy’s in VA. It’s ridiculous. UVA plus William and Mary. Fuck Pedo St, no offense to Mrs @whlinder of course.whlinder said:
I have no idea. I only mentioned the two Oregon schools I know other than the gas pumpers in our conference because my cousin went to George Fox and my dad went to Willamette. Both are pretty smart and got advanced degrees and aren’t fuck ups, but that’s obviously a tiny sample.YellowSnow said:
Is Willamtte any good academically? I tend to be anti private school unless it’s elite enough to merit the cost.whlinder said:Send them to Willamette or George Fox?
Agree on private schools in general. I’ve got a couple of years to convince my kid that Penn State is not worth the money over Virginia schools.
Shockingly, UW isn’t ranked that far of Oregon bright now. UW is 58 and Oregon is 103.
We? Are behind a lot of schools I would view as inferior. -
Oh I know, but the girl likes football. So she wants to go to Penn State. I’m working on it.
I’m throwing stones in a glass house with that since I didn’t apply to UVA or any other Virginia school.
UW is better than that but with it being so big the amazing things it does get averaged down. I know a lot of UVA people and I swear that for the quantitative fields UW is way better. -
As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast. -
But with a little bit of extra child raping on the sideWoof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast. -
Start brainwashing them early.YellowSnow said:@creepycoug how do I keep my sons from becoming lowly quooks or boovs?
Send them for weekends at Uncle @haie 's , where they will be made to understand. By force if necessary. -
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care. -
Agreed. UW, for whatever reason, has never been all that successful in getting its rep. on the east coast. They tend to think of Cal and Furd and UCLA first among schools in the west.whlinder said:Oh I know, but the girl likes football. So she wants to go to Penn State. I’m working on it.
I’m throwing stones in a glass house with that since I didn’t apply to UVA or any other Virginia school.
UW is better than that but with it being so big the amazing things it does get averaged down. I know a lot of UVA people and I swear that for the quantitative fields UW is way better.
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In a world where Bachelors degrees in pumping gas are just being handed out, where you get one from doesn’t really matter. It’s where you get your Masters degree in pumping gas that matters.
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For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree. -
Truth. I’m a pour because of my Pumpeii Mill UW BA.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
And also cause I’m lazy as fuck at academis. -
You or somebody asked about Willamette. Yes, solid school. You can't be dumb and slide in. It's an not elite place by ranking, reputation or substance, but it's a solid small private college. In this category, none of the PNW schools are ranked super high nationally, and there are a variety of reasons for that. I rank the NW liberal arts colleges as follows:YellowSnow said:
Truth. I’m a pour because of my Pumpeii Mill UW BA.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
And also cause I’m lazy as fuck at academis.
Whitman/Reed - academically in their own league in the PNW and pretty much beyond dispute. Very hard to get in; your classmates will all be smart and intellectually rigorous kids. If you say something stupid in class, it will really stand out. These guys are more comparable to (but not as highly ranked as) the Little Three, Pomona, Claremont, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Hamilton, Colgate, Bowdoin, Colby, etc. If small college in the PNW is what you want, these are the top 2 and it's pretty clear. How Fetters got into Whitman I'll never know.
Willamette/UPS/PLU/Lewis&Clark - decent gap between these guysms and Whitman/Reed, but solid schools. L&C may be a little more selective than the others here.
Whitworth/Linfield/GF - I might be wrong in terms of selectivity; this is more general impression.
If I'm forgetting someone, it doesn't really matter.
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I think we're in general agreement across the board actually. UVa is more selective. I was just saying that UW has some departments that are quietly among the nation's best ... top 10 or 15. More than people tend to think. In those departments, at least, you can say UW is the better school. But department rankings are affected by research metrics, and it's questinable how relevant that is to the undergraduate experience.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
There are exceptions. If, for example, you want Comp. Sci, UW is the clear choice, even at undergrad. We're just better at that than all but a small handful of schools and the people who matter know it. Other than that and a few other things, the measure of relevance for undergraduate studies is selectivity ... how smart are your freshman classmates. And on that score, UVa is better than UW, no question. That's where the reputation factor comes in, and you're right. It matters. Not forever, but it does matter for a time. -
My father-in-law got a masters in civil engineering from Boov. My sister-in-law got a BS in chemical engineering from Boov. My wife went to a decent state school and got a bidness and computer information systems degree. All three went on the pretty successful, high earning careers. I think the school matters - especially with the most elite institutions - but at the end of the day, the intellect and drive of the person matters a lot more.IPukeOregonGrellow said:In a world where Bachelors degrees in pumping gas are just being handed out, where you get one from doesn’t really matter. It’s where you get your Masters degree in pumping gas that matters.
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I make a shit ton pumping gas and have a lot of fun doing it. A Quook buddy of mine who used pump at my station took a shit ton of Amazon stock to fulfill Prime orders and keeps trying to talk me into coming to work with him, even though every conservation I have with him revolves about how much he hates fulfilling Prime orders. My Quook roommate who once helped me try to cover a tear gas canister EPD fired at us with a garbage can has been VP of 93 Octane for two of the Accounting Big Four. A porking lot buddy of mine who introduced me to an old boyfriend of mine bought a Malibu compound with the money he made disposing of MySpace’s body. A guy who dropped out because of weed lives in Maui and built Kelsey Grammer’s and Carlos Santana’s vacation houses.YellowSnow said:
My father-in-law got a masters in civil engineering from Boov. My sister-in-law got a BS in chemical engineering from Boov. My wife went to a decent state school and got a bidness and computer information systems degree. All three went on the pretty successful, high earning careers. I think the school matters - especially with the most elite institutions - but at the end of the day, the intellect and drive of the person matters a lot more.IPukeOregonGrellow said:In a world where Bachelors degrees in pumping gas are just being handed out, where you get one from doesn’t really matter. It’s where you get your Masters degree in pumping gas that matters.
When my illegitimate bastards ask me where they should go to college, my comment back will be undergrad isn’t really about Academis. It’s about figuring out what brand of gas you want to pump and learning the social skills to get you there. -
Well said. I hope you can pump my gas some day.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I make a shit ton pumping gas and have a lot of fun doing it. A Quook buddy of mine who used pump at my station took a shit ton of Amazon stock to fulfill Prime orders and keeps trying to talk me into coming to work with him, even though every conservation I have with him revolves about how much he hates fulfilling Prime orders. My Quook roommate who once helped me try to cover a tear gas canister EPD fired at us with a garbage can has been VP of 93 Octane for two of the Accounting Big Four. A porking lot buddy of mine who introduced me to an old boyfriend of mine bought a Malibu compound with the money he made disposing of MySpace’s body. A guy who dropped out because of weed lives in Maui and built Kelsey Grammer’s and Carlos Santana’s vacation houses.YellowSnow said:
My father-in-law got a masters in civil engineering from Boov. My sister-in-law got a BS in chemical engineering from Boov. My wife went to a decent state school and got a bidness and computer information systems degree. All three went on the pretty successful, high earning careers. I think the school matters - especially with the most elite institutions - but at the end of the day, the intellect and drive of the person matters a lot more.IPukeOregonGrellow said:In a world where Bachelors degrees in pumping gas are just being handed out, where you get one from doesn’t really matter. It’s where you get your Masters degree in pumping gas that matters.
When my illegitimate bastards ask me where they should go to college, my comment back will be undergrad isn’t really about Academis. It’s about figuring out what brand of gas you want to pump and learning the social skills to get you there. -
I probably already have and you didn’t even notice.YellowSnow said:
Well said. I hope you can pump my gas some day.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I make a shit ton pumping gas and have a lot of fun doing it. A Quook buddy of mine who used pump at my station took a shit ton of Amazon stock to fulfill Prime orders and keeps trying to talk me into coming to work with him, even though every conservation I have with him revolves about how much he hates fulfilling Prime orders. My Quook roommate who once helped me try to cover a tear gas canister EPD fired at us with a garbage can has been VP of 93 Octane for two of the Accounting Big Four. A porking lot buddy of mine who introduced me to an old boyfriend of mine bought a Malibu compound with the money he made disposing of MySpace’s body. A guy who dropped out because of weed lives in Maui and built Kelsey Grammer’s and Carlos Santana’s vacation houses.YellowSnow said:
My father-in-law got a masters in civil engineering from Boov. My sister-in-law got a BS in chemical engineering from Boov. My wife went to a decent state school and got a bidness and computer information systems degree. All three went on the pretty successful, high earning careers. I think the school matters - especially with the most elite institutions - but at the end of the day, the intellect and drive of the person matters a lot more.IPukeOregonGrellow said:In a world where Bachelors degrees in pumping gas are just being handed out, where you get one from doesn’t really matter. It’s where you get your Masters degree in pumping gas that matters.
When my illegitimate bastards ask me where they should go to college, my comment back will be undergrad isn’t really about Academis. It’s about figuring out what brand of gas you want to pump and learning the social skills to get you there. -
creepycoug said:
You or somebody asked about Willamette. Yes, solid school. You can't be dumb and slide in. It's an not elite place by ranking, reputation or substance, but it's a solid small private college. In this category, none of the PNW schools are ranked super high nationally, and there are a variety of reasons for that. I rank the NW liberal arts colleges as follows:YellowSnow said:
Truth. I’m a pour because of my Pumpeii Mill UW BA.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
And also cause I’m lazy as fuck at academis.
Whitman/Reed - academically in their own league in the PNW and pretty much beyond dispute. Very hard to get in; your classmates will all be smart and intellectually rigorous kids. If you say something stupid in class, it will really stand out. These guys are more comparable to (but not as highly ranked as) the Little Three, Pomona, Claremont, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Hamilton, Colgate, Bowdoin, Colby, etc. If small college in the PNW is what you want, these are the top 2 and it's pretty clear. How Fetters got into Whitman I'll never know.
Willamette/UPS/PLU/Lewis&Clark - decent gap between these guysms and Whitman/Reed, but solid schools. L&C may be a little more selective than the others here.
Whitworth/Linfield/GF - I might be wrong in terms of selectivity; this is more general impression.
If I'm forgetting someone, it doesn't really matter.
I am a big Willamette fan. Mostly because without Willamette I wouldn't be here. My two dads met while one was in law school and the other an undergrad.
I have no idea the status anymore, however the Law School used to be exceptional. My dad's class had a lot of people who went on to elite careers. I don't remember all of them but one specifically was the first to take on the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church for diddling little bois. From there he went and lectured at Oxford.
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It's a good school. I would not have blinked an eye if any of my kids had wanted to attend. Basically, most kids who can get into Willamette can get into UW undergrad today. The people I know from there are smart and effective and tend to be pretty successful.pawz said:creepycoug said:
You or somebody asked about Willamette. Yes, solid school. You can't be dumb and slide in. It's an not elite place by ranking, reputation or substance, but it's a solid small private college. In this category, none of the PNW schools are ranked super high nationally, and there are a variety of reasons for that. I rank the NW liberal arts colleges as follows:YellowSnow said:
Truth. I’m a pour because of my Pumpeii Mill UW BA.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
And also cause I’m lazy as fuck at academis.
Whitman/Reed - academically in their own league in the PNW and pretty much beyond dispute. Very hard to get in; your classmates will all be smart and intellectually rigorous kids. If you say something stupid in class, it will really stand out. These guys are more comparable to (but not as highly ranked as) the Little Three, Pomona, Claremont, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Hamilton, Colgate, Bowdoin, Colby, etc. If small college in the PNW is what you want, these are the top 2 and it's pretty clear. How Fetters got into Whitman I'll never know.
Willamette/UPS/PLU/Lewis&Clark - decent gap between these guysms and Whitman/Reed, but solid schools. L&C may be a little more selective than the others here.
Whitworth/Linfield/GF - I might be wrong in terms of selectivity; this is more general impression.
If I'm forgetting someone, it doesn't really matter.
I am a big Willamette fan. Mostly because without Willamette I wouldn't be here. My two dads met while one was in law school and the other an undergrad.
I have no idea the status anymore, however the Law School used to be exceptional. My dad's class had a lot of people who went on to elite careers. I don't remember all of them but one specifically was the first to take on the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church for diddling little bois. From there he went and lectured at Oxford.
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Didn’t read through the thread. But take them to a small town in Eastern or Central Oregon, where it’s legal to pump your own gas on the weekend.YellowSnow said:@creepycoug how do I keep my sons from becoming lowly quooks or boovs?
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whlinder said:
Send them to Willamette or George Fox?
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It used to be that most Willamette kids were from California 20 years ago but moar are local now. Be it paying out of state tuition in this ECONOMIS!!! or whatever the factor is, many more are locos. And considering Oregon Public High Schools consistently are bottom 10 in performance and grad rates, it should open some eyes. However Tokyo U is still a big thing at Willamette with hundreds coming over the blue pond every year to study. And as we know, Salem ain’t Malibu. So basically I’ve spun a lot of circles here to say that Willamette is still probably a decent school.creepycoug said:
It's a good school. I would not have blinked an eye if any of my kids had wanted to attend. Basically, most kids who can get into Willamette can get into UW undergrad today. The people I know from there are smart and effective and tend to be pretty successful.pawz said:creepycoug said:
You or somebody asked about Willamette. Yes, solid school. You can't be dumb and slide in. It's an not elite place by ranking, reputation or substance, but it's a solid small private college. In this category, none of the PNW schools are ranked super high nationally, and there are a variety of reasons for that. I rank the NW liberal arts colleges as follows:YellowSnow said:
Truth. I’m a pour because of my Pumpeii Mill UW BA.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
And also cause I’m lazy as fuck at academis.
Whitman/Reed - academically in their own league in the PNW and pretty much beyond dispute. Very hard to get in; your classmates will all be smart and intellectually rigorous kids. If you say something stupid in class, it will really stand out. These guys are more comparable to (but not as highly ranked as) the Little Three, Pomona, Claremont, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Hamilton, Colgate, Bowdoin, Colby, etc. If small college in the PNW is what you want, these are the top 2 and it's pretty clear. How Fetters got into Whitman I'll never know.
Willamette/UPS/PLU/Lewis&Clark - decent gap between these guysms and Whitman/Reed, but solid schools. L&C may be a little more selective than the others here.
Whitworth/Linfield/GF - I might be wrong in terms of selectivity; this is more general impression.
If I'm forgetting someone, it doesn't really matter.
I am a big Willamette fan. Mostly because without Willamette I wouldn't be here. My two dads met while one was in law school and the other an undergrad.
I have no idea the status anymore, however the Law School used to be exceptional. My dad's class had a lot of people who went on to elite careers. I don't remember all of them but one specifically was the first to take on the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church for diddling little bois. From there he went and lectured at Oxford. -
Honestly can’t complain about UW education itself, but trying get jobs on the east coast fucking sucked with it coming out of school. Definitely a brand issue
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Salem. Crappy town. Close to lots of cool stuff.Kaepsknee said:
It used to be that most Willamette kids were from California 20 years ago but moar are local now. Be it paying out of state tuition in this ECONOMIS!!! or whatever the factor is, many more are locos. And considering Oregon Public High Schools consistently are bottom 10 in performance and grad rates, it should open some eyes. However Tokyo U is still a big thing at Willamette with hundreds coming over the blue pond every year to study. And as we know, Salem ain’t Malibu. So basically I’ve spun a lot of circles here to say that Willamette is still probably a decent school.creepycoug said:
It's a good school. I would not have blinked an eye if any of my kids had wanted to attend. Basically, most kids who can get into Willamette can get into UW undergrad today. The people I know from there are smart and effective and tend to be pretty successful.pawz said:creepycoug said:
You or somebody asked about Willamette. Yes, solid school. You can't be dumb and slide in. It's an not elite place by ranking, reputation or substance, but it's a solid small private college. In this category, none of the PNW schools are ranked super high nationally, and there are a variety of reasons for that. I rank the NW liberal arts colleges as follows:YellowSnow said:
Truth. I’m a pour because of my Pumpeii Mill UW BA.Woof said:
For undergrad, strong disagree, because what most prestigious employers and grad schools care about is the difficulty of getting into said school, along with the average GPA/SAT/ACT type stuff.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care.
The stats for the three schools are as follows:
UVA - 25% acceptance, 1430 SAT
W&M - 36% acceptance, 1415 SAT
UW - 49% acceptance, 1340 SAT
Now if a student just wants to be a teacher or a nurse, or just get a diploma and not pursue a graduate degree, the argument is moot. If you want to get a job on Wall Street, are pursuing a few specific degrees like CompSci, or get into a top grad school, then the name on your undergrad degree matters much more.
For grad schools, I'm in agreement with everything you said. UW punches far above its undergrad ranking across almost every graduate degree.
And also cause I’m lazy as fuck at academis.
Whitman/Reed - academically in their own league in the PNW and pretty much beyond dispute. Very hard to get in; your classmates will all be smart and intellectually rigorous kids. If you say something stupid in class, it will really stand out. These guys are more comparable to (but not as highly ranked as) the Little Three, Pomona, Claremont, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Hamilton, Colgate, Bowdoin, Colby, etc. If small college in the PNW is what you want, these are the top 2 and it's pretty clear. How Fetters got into Whitman I'll never know.
Willamette/UPS/PLU/Lewis&Clark - decent gap between these guysms and Whitman/Reed, but solid schools. L&C may be a little more selective than the others here.
Whitworth/Linfield/GF - I might be wrong in terms of selectivity; this is more general impression.
If I'm forgetting someone, it doesn't really matter.
I am a big Willamette fan. Mostly because without Willamette I wouldn't be here. My two dads met while one was in law school and the other an undergrad.
I have no idea the status anymore, however the Law School used to be exceptional. My dad's class had a lot of people who went on to elite careers. I don't remember all of them but one specifically was the first to take on the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church for diddling little bois. From there he went and lectured at Oxford. -
Agree with all of this, but to 99% of the world a UVA degree is an elite degree. UW is not. I say this as a UW grad (undergrad). UVA, whether deserved or not, is the east coast Berkeley (whether deserved or not). But maybe that is what you were saying anyway. English isn't my first language. And neither is Cuban.creepycoug said:
Mostly true. If "lowly liberal arts degrees" include physics, psychology, sociology and math (just off the top of my head), and a smattering of other stuff, UW is actually better than UVa, and I'd expect it's better than W&M across the board ... at least in terms of department rankings, which is driven by research; something with which W&M can't compete with UW.Woof said:As a fellow Virginia resident, unless she's getting into McIntire, I agree that UW is probably better for the quant-ish stuff.
For lowly liberal arts degrees, UVA or William and Mary are definitely better. UW is a relatively unknown quantity out here.
Penn State is the ASU of the Northeast.
UVa is going to have the prestige edge amongst the snooty smarty crowds, and it's better than UW in several/some things; and it's overall more selective and harder to get into than UW. So the Wall Street people will like it more, as just one example of how that plays out.
Comp. Sci. or anything in the health sciences and UW is clearly better school. You're right that not everybody will know that, but at that level uninformed you shouldn't care. -
You should have your kids go to Portland State. That way they can go be someone's bitch in Hillsboro and be an unfunny Twitter douche hanging out with the rest of the dregs of the Portland area talking about their jack duck fandom and why they're smarter than everyone else because of their politics.YellowSnow said:@creepycoug how do I keep my sons from becoming lowly quooks or boovs?
