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We’ve had 3 good LBs in the last 4 years. 1 was a Sark recruit. 1 was Bobby sure. The other wasn’t even PWO’d by BobHouhusky said:
I remember when DDY lost his shit when I said BBK was better than WellingtonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is fucking wrong.FremontTroll said:
Prior to 2019 his argument was that our LB play has always been fine. Everyone else pointed out what was coming due to recruiting misses and roster mismanagement.Neighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
Now the argument is our LB play has been fine other than last year.
Truly amazing how one can be completely wrong but simply adjust their premise to account for the new information they previously discounted and claim they were always right.
Tons of doogs including DDY and fudge packer thought Wellington would be good.
Once Wellington and Manu got benched the LB improved tremendously. Thats on Bob to not do that sooner
Your reductionism of my points is fucking stupid.
As far as the rest of the thread
Both recruiting and coaching are important; but recruiting only really matters if you have a good coach.
The LB play has been great to decent, except for 2019. Development of guys has mostly been good. Recruiting has been pretty below average.
Pre-injury/drunk Azeem (with Bierria) was one of the best ILBs in the conference, BBK was one of the best ILBs in the conference, and now olofosheieio is one of the best ILBs in the conference. That doesn’t happen if you have a coach that both sucks at recruiting AND coaching/development. It’s not possible.
Losing Kaho and tootoot sucked, he needs to close on big name guys better, but he isn’t a bad coach and is back to a full stable and putting a good product on the field.
Maybe we should bring up Adam’s good recruiting but shitty roster management and coaching/development while we are here... also bonerpopper too! -
He has consistently put up all pac12 LBsbackthepack said:
We’ve had 3 good LBs in the last 4 years. 1 was a Sark recruit. 1 was Bobby sure. The other wasn’t even PWO’d by BobHouhusky said:
I remember when DDY lost his shit when I said BBK was better than WellingtonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is fucking wrong.FremontTroll said:
Prior to 2019 his argument was that our LB play has always been fine. Everyone else pointed out what was coming due to recruiting misses and roster mismanagement.Neighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
Now the argument is our LB play has been fine other than last year.
Truly amazing how one can be completely wrong but simply adjust their premise to account for the new information they previously discounted and claim they were always right.
Tons of doogs including DDY and fudge packer thought Wellington would be good.
Once Wellington and Manu got benched the LB improved tremendously. Thats on Bob to not do that sooner
Your reductionism of my points is fucking stupid.
As far as the rest of the thread
Both recruiting and coaching are important; but recruiting only really matters if you have a good coach.
The LB play has been great to decent, except for 2019. Development of guys has mostly been good. Recruiting has been pretty below average.
Pre-injury/drunk Azeem (with Bierria) was one of the best ILBs in the conference, BBK was one of the best ILBs in the conference, and now olofosheieio is one of the best ILBs in the conference. That doesn’t happen if you have a coach that both sucks at recruiting AND coaching/development. It’s not possible.
Losing Kaho and tootoot sucked, he needs to close on big name guys better, but he isn’t a bad coach and is back to a full stable and putting a good product on the field.
Maybe we should bring up Adam’s good recruiting but shitty roster management and coaching/development while we are here... also bonerpopper too!
2016 - Azeem 1st team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2017 - BBK 2nd team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2018 - BBK Pat Tillman Defensive Player of the Year and 1st team all pac12
2019 - none
2020 - Olofoshio on his way to 1st team
We have had really good LB play 3 out of the last 4 years and are well on our way to 4/5.
Good fucking point. -
What about having the worst ILB in the country last year do you not understand?Houhusky said:
He has consistently put up all pac12 LBsbackthepack said:
We’ve had 3 good LBs in the last 4 years. 1 was a Sark recruit. 1 was Bobby sure. The other wasn’t even PWO’d by BobHouhusky said:
I remember when DDY lost his shit when I said BBK was better than WellingtonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is fucking wrong.FremontTroll said:
Prior to 2019 his argument was that our LB play has always been fine. Everyone else pointed out what was coming due to recruiting misses and roster mismanagement.Neighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
Now the argument is our LB play has been fine other than last year.
Truly amazing how one can be completely wrong but simply adjust their premise to account for the new information they previously discounted and claim they were always right.
Tons of doogs including DDY and fudge packer thought Wellington would be good.
Once Wellington and Manu got benched the LB improved tremendously. Thats on Bob to not do that sooner
Your reductionism of my points is fucking stupid.
As far as the rest of the thread
Both recruiting and coaching are important; but recruiting only really matters if you have a good coach.
The LB play has been great to decent, except for 2019. Development of guys has mostly been good. Recruiting has been pretty below average.
Pre-injury/drunk Azeem (with Bierria) was one of the best ILBs in the conference, BBK was one of the best ILBs in the conference, and now olofosheieio is one of the best ILBs in the conference. That doesn’t happen if you have a coach that both sucks at recruiting AND coaching/development. It’s not possible.
Losing Kaho and tootoot sucked, he needs to close on big name guys better, but he isn’t a bad coach and is back to a full stable and putting a good product on the field.
Maybe we should bring up Adam’s good recruiting but shitty roster management and coaching/development while we are here... also bonerpopper too!
2016 - Azeem 1st team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2017 - BBK 2nd team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2018 - BBK Pat Tillman Defensive Player of the Year and 1st team all pac12
2019 - none
2020 - Olofoshio on his way to 1st team
We have had really good LB play 3 out of the last 4 years and are well on our way to 4/5.
Good fucking point. -
I was watching a game this year where one team was lighting up the scoreboard and they were like 0 for 2 on third downs. Some of these offenses today can get rolling and its 10 yards a play.backthepack said:
Yes, avoid 3rd down at all costs.FremontTroll said:
The best way to be successful on 3rd or 4th and short...is not to end up in 3rd or 4th and short.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
@racebannon preached this same point and can back me up on thisdnc said:
Except those who followed recruiting forecast the OL was going to have a big drop-off and wouldn't you know it, they were right.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is a recruiting doog through and through cop out answer. Huff has been here long enough to have that be a bullshit excuse.dnc said:
He didn't get the same criticism because he wasn't coaching his own guys.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The defense by and large did enough to win. Every offensive position group fucking sucked. But Huff is a flashy recruiter so doogs dont give him the same criticism when we cant block against fucking Cal, Stanford, etc.dnc said:
LB wasn't the only underperforming group but it was the worst performing group and the only other one that was close had a new position coach who was coaching guys he didn't recruit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Im not handwaving it away. It was a disaster. There were other disasters on that team too...most position groups really underperformedFremontTroll said:
How do you just handwave away the 2019 linebacker performance?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Other position groups have had similar stories. I agree that was bad, but literally every other year LBs have been a strength. Fucking doogs like you hate him because he's not a sizzle recruiter.FireCohen said:
Dude after 1 game they could have just moved of from manu but they played him through the whole yearPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah no other position group has ever started someone when the backup was better....FireCohen said:
Dude he sat eddy behind manu, if that is not a fireable offense. I don’t fucking know what isPostGameOrangeSlices said:
We have had 1 bad LB year and 4 stellar ones.AtomicDawg said:
It’s his fault for not landing and keeping adequate talent year over year.RoadDawg55 said:
I know we hate Bobby, but it’s not really his fault if/when a 3rd string LB transfers. Kids want to play.FireCohen said:
I would like to personally bob Gregory for that cluster fuck of LB room. Kids going to transfer.bananasnblondes said:
Yeah, the LB depth chart is a real cluster fuck because you have like 6 guys who are RS Sophs or RS Freshmen for 2 positions. So when people say we are deep at LB, that's true but eligibility wise we could really have some problems in a couple years. Some will leave for playing time elsewhere, and the rest will all graduate together. We took 1 lb last year (Bruener) and it appears we are only taking 1 this year (Latu) and he comes with a giant red flag. UW could be in a world of hurt at that position in a couple years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Our LB situation is weird. I thought Tafisi looked good but now he is stuck behind two players with the same eligibility he has
One of those guys that aren’t in the mix are probably going to transfer. We have four guys the same class and two sophomores starting.
Unless those guys really want a UW degree, they aren’t going to stick around and be a 3rd or 4th string player.
And i will never forgive him for Wellington/Manu starting. Bob provides no value to the program and is a well paid assistant.
The Bob Gregory hate on this board never made any sense and is another DDYFS platitude
If you want to argue special teams, fine
He is responsible for two starting players out of eleven. It isn't hard. A year that bad is never excusable. Especially when it was entirely foreseeable years ahead of time based on how he was failing to stack talent. Look at all the guys we missed on 2015-2018. BBK only had 4 years of eligibility and we knew in 2016 he would be gone in two more years and Kieshawn and Azeem in one more year.
As it turned out we had to put an all out blitz on recruiting LBs in 2019 to try to make up for lost time. Now our roster is all jacked up in terms of class composition and yeah, a few of those guys are going to transfer.
Transfers happen. The eligibility situation is awkward, but you doogs cant preach recruit and let the best players play and then get upset with transfers.
Bob was the only coach on the staff who completely shit the bed with his own guys.
There's no one to blame but him.
This isn't hard.
If you want to talk differences in scheme I'll listen, but that is a fucking doog answer. If the predecessors guys werent good in year 3 then play the guys you recruited
It's not just recruiting but recruiting does matter.
We ran for 182 yards on 34 carries versus Cal and 104 on 19 carries versus Stanford. The OL didn't lose those games.
The OL wasn't good but it was significantly better than the LBs last year.
The line did fine run blocking until they absolutely had to get a yard in 3rd or 4th and short. Then they fucking sucked.
Pass pro was an abomination made worse by a statue of a QB, but has never been good
Our "power success rate" (3rd/4th and 2 or less to go) was 71.4% or 67th in the nation. Mediocre at best but not a killer- some terrible teams are ranked in the top ten and some good teams were worse than us (Minnesota, Oregon, Notre Dame, Utah.)
And yet you still hear the old stay ahead of the chains to get a manageable third down mantra from broadcasters -
Recruiting is so vital that we went 8 and 5 in year 6
It just means more
To point this out is not an anti recruiting stance. Its an anti TSIO stance and some of you need to learn the difference
I don't trust the coaches but I don't trust random internet dudes either. For recruiting at least -
Top of the Pac 12backthepack said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Jesus Christ you are a fucking doog loser lol. Honestly the worst takes on here, every thread, all the fucking timebackthepack said:
There’s like 2 dudes that play on defense that wouldn’t look like they’d belong at Bama hth. We have dudes. If Jimmy sucks we don’t win the conference this year when we should rather easily.GrundleStiltzkin said:backthepack said:To act like recruiting doesn’t matter is the biggest Boise State/BYU etc. way of thinking ever. Fuck that, I want us to look like Bama (which for the most part we do btw), not a fucking WAC school.
We don’t have the depth of Bama obviously, hth!
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Did you know that "move the chains" originally meant something much more sinister?RaceBannon said:
I was watching a game this year where one team was lighting up the scoreboard and they were like 0 for 2 on third downs. Some of these offenses today can get rolling and its 10 yards a play.backthepack said:
Yes, avoid 3rd down at all costs.FremontTroll said:
The best way to be successful on 3rd or 4th and short...is not to end up in 3rd or 4th and short.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
@racebannon preached this same point and can back me up on thisdnc said:
Except those who followed recruiting forecast the OL was going to have a big drop-off and wouldn't you know it, they were right.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is a recruiting doog through and through cop out answer. Huff has been here long enough to have that be a bullshit excuse.dnc said:
He didn't get the same criticism because he wasn't coaching his own guys.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The defense by and large did enough to win. Every offensive position group fucking sucked. But Huff is a flashy recruiter so doogs dont give him the same criticism when we cant block against fucking Cal, Stanford, etc.dnc said:
LB wasn't the only underperforming group but it was the worst performing group and the only other one that was close had a new position coach who was coaching guys he didn't recruit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Im not handwaving it away. It was a disaster. There were other disasters on that team too...most position groups really underperformedFremontTroll said:
How do you just handwave away the 2019 linebacker performance?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Other position groups have had similar stories. I agree that was bad, but literally every other year LBs have been a strength. Fucking doogs like you hate him because he's not a sizzle recruiter.FireCohen said:
Dude after 1 game they could have just moved of from manu but they played him through the whole yearPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah no other position group has ever started someone when the backup was better....FireCohen said:
Dude he sat eddy behind manu, if that is not a fireable offense. I don’t fucking know what isPostGameOrangeSlices said:
We have had 1 bad LB year and 4 stellar ones.AtomicDawg said:
It’s his fault for not landing and keeping adequate talent year over year.RoadDawg55 said:
I know we hate Bobby, but it’s not really his fault if/when a 3rd string LB transfers. Kids want to play.FireCohen said:
I would like to personally bob Gregory for that cluster fuck of LB room. Kids going to transfer.bananasnblondes said:
Yeah, the LB depth chart is a real cluster fuck because you have like 6 guys who are RS Sophs or RS Freshmen for 2 positions. So when people say we are deep at LB, that's true but eligibility wise we could really have some problems in a couple years. Some will leave for playing time elsewhere, and the rest will all graduate together. We took 1 lb last year (Bruener) and it appears we are only taking 1 this year (Latu) and he comes with a giant red flag. UW could be in a world of hurt at that position in a couple years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Our LB situation is weird. I thought Tafisi looked good but now he is stuck behind two players with the same eligibility he has
One of those guys that aren’t in the mix are probably going to transfer. We have four guys the same class and two sophomores starting.
Unless those guys really want a UW degree, they aren’t going to stick around and be a 3rd or 4th string player.
And i will never forgive him for Wellington/Manu starting. Bob provides no value to the program and is a well paid assistant.
The Bob Gregory hate on this board never made any sense and is another DDYFS platitude
If you want to argue special teams, fine
He is responsible for two starting players out of eleven. It isn't hard. A year that bad is never excusable. Especially when it was entirely foreseeable years ahead of time based on how he was failing to stack talent. Look at all the guys we missed on 2015-2018. BBK only had 4 years of eligibility and we knew in 2016 he would be gone in two more years and Kieshawn and Azeem in one more year.
As it turned out we had to put an all out blitz on recruiting LBs in 2019 to try to make up for lost time. Now our roster is all jacked up in terms of class composition and yeah, a few of those guys are going to transfer.
Transfers happen. The eligibility situation is awkward, but you doogs cant preach recruit and let the best players play and then get upset with transfers.
Bob was the only coach on the staff who completely shit the bed with his own guys.
There's no one to blame but him.
This isn't hard.
If you want to talk differences in scheme I'll listen, but that is a fucking doog answer. If the predecessors guys werent good in year 3 then play the guys you recruited
It's not just recruiting but recruiting does matter.
We ran for 182 yards on 34 carries versus Cal and 104 on 19 carries versus Stanford. The OL didn't lose those games.
The OL wasn't good but it was significantly better than the LBs last year.
The line did fine run blocking until they absolutely had to get a yard in 3rd or 4th and short. Then they fucking sucked.
Pass pro was an abomination made worse by a statue of a QB, but has never been good
Our "power success rate" (3rd/4th and 2 or less to go) was 71.4% or 67th in the nation. Mediocre at best but not a killer- some terrible teams are ranked in the top ten and some good teams were worse than us (Minnesota, Oregon, Notre Dame, Utah.)
And yet you still hear the old stay ahead of the chains to get a manageable third down mantra from broadcasters -
What about churning out a really good product outside of 2019 do you not understand?backthepack said:
What about having the worst ILB in the country last year do you not understand?Houhusky said:
He has consistently put up all pac12 LBsbackthepack said:
We’ve had 3 good LBs in the last 4 years. 1 was a Sark recruit. 1 was Bobby sure. The other wasn’t even PWO’d by BobHouhusky said:
I remember when DDY lost his shit when I said BBK was better than WellingtonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is fucking wrong.FremontTroll said:
Prior to 2019 his argument was that our LB play has always been fine. Everyone else pointed out what was coming due to recruiting misses and roster mismanagement.Neighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
Now the argument is our LB play has been fine other than last year.
Truly amazing how one can be completely wrong but simply adjust their premise to account for the new information they previously discounted and claim they were always right.
Tons of doogs including DDY and fudge packer thought Wellington would be good.
Once Wellington and Manu got benched the LB improved tremendously. Thats on Bob to not do that sooner
Your reductionism of my points is fucking stupid.
As far as the rest of the thread
Both recruiting and coaching are important; but recruiting only really matters if you have a good coach.
The LB play has been great to decent, except for 2019. Development of guys has mostly been good. Recruiting has been pretty below average.
Pre-injury/drunk Azeem (with Bierria) was one of the best ILBs in the conference, BBK was one of the best ILBs in the conference, and now olofosheieio is one of the best ILBs in the conference. That doesn’t happen if you have a coach that both sucks at recruiting AND coaching/development. It’s not possible.
Losing Kaho and tootoot sucked, he needs to close on big name guys better, but he isn’t a bad coach and is back to a full stable and putting a good product on the field.
Maybe we should bring up Adam’s good recruiting but shitty roster management and coaching/development while we are here... also bonerpopper too!
2016 - Azeem 1st team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2017 - BBK 2nd team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2018 - BBK Pat Tillman Defensive Player of the Year and 1st team all pac12
2019 - none
2020 - Olofoshio on his way to 1st team
We have had really good LB play 3 out of the last 4 years and are well on our way to 4/5.
Good fucking point.
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The TSIO bootlickers dont understand. Ive been trying to argue this point along with you since everyone of those idiots hated BBK in the off-season prior to 2018...same fucking stupids that wanted to start underwear Olympic champ WellingtonHouhusky said:
What about churning out a really good product outside of 2019 do you not understand?backthepack said:
What about having the worst ILB in the country last year do you not understand?Houhusky said:
He has consistently put up all pac12 LBsbackthepack said:
We’ve had 3 good LBs in the last 4 years. 1 was a Sark recruit. 1 was Bobby sure. The other wasn’t even PWO’d by BobHouhusky said:
I remember when DDY lost his shit when I said BBK was better than WellingtonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is fucking wrong.FremontTroll said:
Prior to 2019 his argument was that our LB play has always been fine. Everyone else pointed out what was coming due to recruiting misses and roster mismanagement.Neighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
Now the argument is our LB play has been fine other than last year.
Truly amazing how one can be completely wrong but simply adjust their premise to account for the new information they previously discounted and claim they were always right.
Tons of doogs including DDY and fudge packer thought Wellington would be good.
Once Wellington and Manu got benched the LB improved tremendously. Thats on Bob to not do that sooner
Your reductionism of my points is fucking stupid.
As far as the rest of the thread
Both recruiting and coaching are important; but recruiting only really matters if you have a good coach.
The LB play has been great to decent, except for 2019. Development of guys has mostly been good. Recruiting has been pretty below average.
Pre-injury/drunk Azeem (with Bierria) was one of the best ILBs in the conference, BBK was one of the best ILBs in the conference, and now olofosheieio is one of the best ILBs in the conference. That doesn’t happen if you have a coach that both sucks at recruiting AND coaching/development. It’s not possible.
Losing Kaho and tootoot sucked, he needs to close on big name guys better, but he isn’t a bad coach and is back to a full stable and putting a good product on the field.
Maybe we should bring up Adam’s good recruiting but shitty roster management and coaching/development while we are here... also bonerpopper too!
2016 - Azeem 1st team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2017 - BBK 2nd team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2018 - BBK Pat Tillman Defensive Player of the Year and 1st team all pac12
2019 - none
2020 - Olofoshio on his way to 1st team
We have had really good LB play 3 out of the last 4 years and are well on our way to 4/5.
Good fucking point.
Youre presenting the argument a lot better and with more *comportment* than I am. -
3rd downs are bad and create high leverage situations for no reason. That’s why R-R-P is fucking stupid.RaceBannon said:
I was watching a game this year where one team was lighting up the scoreboard and they were like 0 for 2 on third downs. Some of these offenses today can get rolling and its 10 yards a play.backthepack said:
Yes, avoid 3rd down at all costs.FremontTroll said:
The best way to be successful on 3rd or 4th and short...is not to end up in 3rd or 4th and short.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
@racebannon preached this same point and can back me up on thisdnc said:
Except those who followed recruiting forecast the OL was going to have a big drop-off and wouldn't you know it, they were right.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is a recruiting doog through and through cop out answer. Huff has been here long enough to have that be a bullshit excuse.dnc said:
He didn't get the same criticism because he wasn't coaching his own guys.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The defense by and large did enough to win. Every offensive position group fucking sucked. But Huff is a flashy recruiter so doogs dont give him the same criticism when we cant block against fucking Cal, Stanford, etc.dnc said:
LB wasn't the only underperforming group but it was the worst performing group and the only other one that was close had a new position coach who was coaching guys he didn't recruit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Im not handwaving it away. It was a disaster. There were other disasters on that team too...most position groups really underperformedFremontTroll said:
How do you just handwave away the 2019 linebacker performance?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Other position groups have had similar stories. I agree that was bad, but literally every other year LBs have been a strength. Fucking doogs like you hate him because he's not a sizzle recruiter.FireCohen said:
Dude after 1 game they could have just moved of from manu but they played him through the whole yearPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah no other position group has ever started someone when the backup was better....FireCohen said:
Dude he sat eddy behind manu, if that is not a fireable offense. I don’t fucking know what isPostGameOrangeSlices said:
We have had 1 bad LB year and 4 stellar ones.AtomicDawg said:
It’s his fault for not landing and keeping adequate talent year over year.RoadDawg55 said:
I know we hate Bobby, but it’s not really his fault if/when a 3rd string LB transfers. Kids want to play.FireCohen said:
I would like to personally bob Gregory for that cluster fuck of LB room. Kids going to transfer.bananasnblondes said:
Yeah, the LB depth chart is a real cluster fuck because you have like 6 guys who are RS Sophs or RS Freshmen for 2 positions. So when people say we are deep at LB, that's true but eligibility wise we could really have some problems in a couple years. Some will leave for playing time elsewhere, and the rest will all graduate together. We took 1 lb last year (Bruener) and it appears we are only taking 1 this year (Latu) and he comes with a giant red flag. UW could be in a world of hurt at that position in a couple years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Our LB situation is weird. I thought Tafisi looked good but now he is stuck behind two players with the same eligibility he has
One of those guys that aren’t in the mix are probably going to transfer. We have four guys the same class and two sophomores starting.
Unless those guys really want a UW degree, they aren’t going to stick around and be a 3rd or 4th string player.
And i will never forgive him for Wellington/Manu starting. Bob provides no value to the program and is a well paid assistant.
The Bob Gregory hate on this board never made any sense and is another DDYFS platitude
If you want to argue special teams, fine
He is responsible for two starting players out of eleven. It isn't hard. A year that bad is never excusable. Especially when it was entirely foreseeable years ahead of time based on how he was failing to stack talent. Look at all the guys we missed on 2015-2018. BBK only had 4 years of eligibility and we knew in 2016 he would be gone in two more years and Kieshawn and Azeem in one more year.
As it turned out we had to put an all out blitz on recruiting LBs in 2019 to try to make up for lost time. Now our roster is all jacked up in terms of class composition and yeah, a few of those guys are going to transfer.
Transfers happen. The eligibility situation is awkward, but you doogs cant preach recruit and let the best players play and then get upset with transfers.
Bob was the only coach on the staff who completely shit the bed with his own guys.
There's no one to blame but him.
This isn't hard.
If you want to talk differences in scheme I'll listen, but that is a fucking doog answer. If the predecessors guys werent good in year 3 then play the guys you recruited
It's not just recruiting but recruiting does matter.
We ran for 182 yards on 34 carries versus Cal and 104 on 19 carries versus Stanford. The OL didn't lose those games.
The OL wasn't good but it was significantly better than the LBs last year.
The line did fine run blocking until they absolutely had to get a yard in 3rd or 4th and short. Then they fucking sucked.
Pass pro was an abomination made worse by a statue of a QB, but has never been good
Our "power success rate" (3rd/4th and 2 or less to go) was 71.4% or 67th in the nation. Mediocre at best but not a killer- some terrible teams are ranked in the top ten and some good teams were worse than us (Minnesota, Oregon, Notre Dame, Utah.)
And yet you still hear the old stay ahead of the chains to get a manageable third down mantra from broadcasters -
Yeah but to be fair the majority of those kids were FR and RS-FR. We recruited like shit from 16-18 and it really reared it’s head last year. But that time still should have won every game, s/o Pete’s offense and small dick syndromeRaceBannon said:Recruiting is so vital that we went 8 and 5 in year 6
It just means more
To point this out is not an anti recruiting stance. Its an anti TSIO stance and some of you need to learn the difference
I don't trust the coaches but I don't trust random internet dudes either. For recruiting at least -
Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?Houhusky said:
What about churning out a really good product outside of 2019 do you not understand?backthepack said:
What about having the worst ILB in the country last year do you not understand?Houhusky said:
He has consistently put up all pac12 LBsbackthepack said:
We’ve had 3 good LBs in the last 4 years. 1 was a Sark recruit. 1 was Bobby sure. The other wasn’t even PWO’d by BobHouhusky said:
I remember when DDY lost his shit when I said BBK was better than WellingtonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is fucking wrong.FremontTroll said:
Prior to 2019 his argument was that our LB play has always been fine. Everyone else pointed out what was coming due to recruiting misses and roster mismanagement.Neighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
Now the argument is our LB play has been fine other than last year.
Truly amazing how one can be completely wrong but simply adjust their premise to account for the new information they previously discounted and claim they were always right.
Tons of doogs including DDY and fudge packer thought Wellington would be good.
Once Wellington and Manu got benched the LB improved tremendously. Thats on Bob to not do that sooner
Your reductionism of my points is fucking stupid.
As far as the rest of the thread
Both recruiting and coaching are important; but recruiting only really matters if you have a good coach.
The LB play has been great to decent, except for 2019. Development of guys has mostly been good. Recruiting has been pretty below average.
Pre-injury/drunk Azeem (with Bierria) was one of the best ILBs in the conference, BBK was one of the best ILBs in the conference, and now olofosheieio is one of the best ILBs in the conference. That doesn’t happen if you have a coach that both sucks at recruiting AND coaching/development. It’s not possible.
Losing Kaho and tootoot sucked, he needs to close on big name guys better, but he isn’t a bad coach and is back to a full stable and putting a good product on the field.
Maybe we should bring up Adam’s good recruiting but shitty roster management and coaching/development while we are here... also bonerpopper too!
2016 - Azeem 1st team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2017 - BBK 2nd team all pac12, Berria 2nd team all pac12
2018 - BBK Pat Tillman Defensive Player of the Year and 1st team all pac12
2019 - none
2020 - Olofoshio on his way to 1st team
We have had really good LB play 3 out of the last 4 years and are well on our way to 4/5.
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lmao by far the best thing about this thread is that pgos is 100% completely oblivious to how stupid he sounds and that everyone is laughing at how much of an idiot he is
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you could not name all the AIDS stains in this thread. jesus
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This thread is a treat. I dont know what people are complaining about.
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Why the need to create narratives? The whole TBS game about some being lay ups, some coming here despite Bob, allnkf the opinions depending on whether the TBS addicts like the coach has always been retarded.backthepack said:
Bob didn’t even PWO Eddie. When Eddie beats out Danny Hammer, Tup, Ah You, Tafisi, Calvert etc. (most of whom didn’t come here because Bob is a good recruiter btw.) as a PWO it means he’s good. It’s not like the Sark/Ty years where you have to beat out a FCS level guy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
It does matter but it's not the end all be all as Ulofoshio proves. And you and Sub K and others that obsess over it are creepy and embarassing to observe. You need self awareness to realize this, which you...lackbackthepack said:To act like recruiting doesn’t matter is the biggest Boise State/BYU etc. way of thinking ever. Fuck that, I want us to look like Bama (which for the most part we do btw), not a fucking WAC school.
Ulo is here, Bob is his coach, and Bob gets credit for developing him into a very good LB. I wish he would have played sooner, but he had to earn it.
Who gives a fuck why Heimuli, Calvert, and all the other LB’s came to UW? They are here. I wouldn’t have minded Bob getting fired but I’ve also said it will turn out fine.
We have a bunch of LB’s, they seem to be developing and improving. We are already pretty good at LB and will continue to get better. We have had good LB play before last year.
Special teams has been up and down, but you’re foolish if you think Bob is the only coach on special teams. They all pitch in. We broke NCAA records for punt return TD’s with BG as the special teams coach. I know Pete coached the returners, but there were obviously good return calls that were executed well.
Bob has been a part of this defensive staff for years and has a good track record as an assistant coach. He’s not a great recruiter but some here put way too much credence in believing liking an assistant coach is the main reason recruits choose a school. It’s one of many factors.
I fucking love Kwat, but giving him credit for Smalls and giving Bob no credit for getting Kaho (not Bob’s fault that he left) or Heimuli doesn’t make sense.
I understand some of the heat Bob gets, but the exaggerations and fictional, selective bullshit is stupid.
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Fuck off for thinking it was a miracle that we held Penn State to 35. That was Lake’s first game calling the D btw. We played like shit that day. You were doing somewhat well recently. Penn State was really good (lost two games by a total of 4 points) and we came out and played like shit in the first half.backthepack said:
We lost those games because we couldn’t physically matchup. We started Myles Bryant at outside corner, Bowman (he is pretty good now actually)/Tevis, 0 DL depth outside of Greg and Vita, Austin Joyner at Nickel, JoJo at safety etc. against Miles Sanders, Deasean Hamilton, Saquan Barkely, and Mike Geisicki and we only gave up 35 points in the Fiesta Bowl because Pete K is a wizard. Now imagine this defense against that offense...PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is why you are a fucking idiotbackthepack said:
Your anti-recruiting stance is pretty retarded. It’s the reason we lost the CFP game, Fiesta, and Rose Bowl games before they even started.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You guys keep hating his LB coaching and besides 2019 he produces good at worst units and remains on the staffNeighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
The fact he annoys the shit out of the recruiting obsessed irritating posters is the cherry on top for me.
Big Bob fan
We lost those games because of our head coach. Pete.
Jesus H Christ
Browning was bad. I would say little 3 star try hard Trace McSorely outplaying the highly touted Jake Browning was a key to Pedo State winning the game. Pettis was hurt and the team had no WR’s.
What’s your fucking point anyways? That it would have been cool to have some better players in that game? No shit FudgePack. We’ve lost other games to PAC 12 teams with a lot less talent than us. Recruiting isn’t always the answer to why we lose a game. -
Imagine thinking BBK sucked. I remember wondering what the fuck some of you were watching. The guy was a playmaker and a great college football player.
Forces tons of fumbles, runs over dudes returning picks, has a TFL against Bama, and a sack vs Ohio State. But he only played good against the weak teams!
Oh yeah, had 176 tackles, All American, Pac 12 DPOY. Awards and stat lines slow, weak white guys get.
Watching his college highlight film on Youtube reminded me of what a baller he was. He was fast and was always around the ball.
And he wasn’t good only in his senior season. He was sacking Vernon Adams as a freshman and never redshirted even tho he was only 200 pounds.
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This poast made reading all the retard slap fight poasts between BTP & PGOS worth it.Gladstone said:
You're a peanut-licking, glue-sniffing pollyanna doog who wouldn't know LIPO unless the suction was literally going up your ass. Sit this one out.CallMeBigErn said:
Bitch, please. I've said LIPO in approximately 37% of my posts throughout my career, especially in the offseason when you were slitting your wrists. Now you're wearing Husky scarves and shouting rah rah while I'm still saying LIPO. I am steadfast in my LIPO until we play Oregon. FOH.UW_Doog_Bot said:
You're a doog not remotely in the LIPO camp.CallMeBigErn said:
The ancient tribe of LIPOers has been driven to near extinction by our oppressive rulers. We must band together to survive this attempted ethnocide. Rise up!FremontTroll said:
Its almost like "doogs" were complaining about the recruiting of his predecessor for years and Olinemen that are physically ready to play year one are exceedingly rare. How does Huff's line look this year?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The defense by and large did enough to win. Every offensive position group fucking sucked. But Huff is a flashy recruiter so doogs dont give him the same criticism when we cant block against fucking Cal, Stanford, etc.dnc said:
LB wasn't the only underperforming group but it was the worst performing group and the only other one that was close had a new position coach who was coaching guys he didn't recruit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Im not handwaving it away. It was a disaster. There were other disasters on that team too...most position groups really underperformedFremontTroll said:
How do you just handwave away the 2019 linebacker performance?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Other position groups have had similar stories. I agree that was bad, but literally every other year LBs have been a strength. Fucking doogs like you hate him because he's not a sizzle recruiter.FireCohen said:
Dude after 1 game they could have just moved of from manu but they played him through the whole yearPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah no other position group has ever started someone when the backup was better....FireCohen said:
Dude he sat eddy behind manu, if that is not a fireable offense. I don’t fucking know what isPostGameOrangeSlices said:
We have had 1 bad LB year and 4 stellar ones.AtomicDawg said:
It’s his fault for not landing and keeping adequate talent year over year.RoadDawg55 said:
I know we hate Bobby, but it’s not really his fault if/when a 3rd string LB transfers. Kids want to play.FireCohen said:
I would like to personally bob Gregory for that cluster fuck of LB room. Kids going to transfer.bananasnblondes said:
Yeah, the LB depth chart is a real cluster fuck because you have like 6 guys who are RS Sophs or RS Freshmen for 2 positions. So when people say we are deep at LB, that's true but eligibility wise we could really have some problems in a couple years. Some will leave for playing time elsewhere, and the rest will all graduate together. We took 1 lb last year (Bruener) and it appears we are only taking 1 this year (Latu) and he comes with a giant red flag. UW could be in a world of hurt at that position in a couple years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Our LB situation is weird. I thought Tafisi looked good but now he is stuck behind two players with the same eligibility he has
One of those guys that aren’t in the mix are probably going to transfer. We have four guys the same class and two sophomores starting.
Unless those guys really want a UW degree, they aren’t going to stick around and be a 3rd or 4th string player.
And i will never forgive him for Wellington/Manu starting. Bob provides no value to the program and is a well paid assistant.
The Bob Gregory hate on this board never made any sense and is another DDYFS platitude
If you want to argue special teams, fine
He is responsible for two starting players out of eleven. It isn't hard. A year that bad is never excusable. Especially when it was entirely foreseeable years ahead of time based on how he was failing to stack talent. Look at all the guys we missed on 2015-2018. BBK only had 4 years of eligibility and we knew in 2016 he would be gone in two more years and Kieshawn and Azeem in one more year.
As it turned out we had to put an all out blitz on recruiting LBs in 2019 to try to make up for lost time. Now our roster is all jacked up in terms of class composition and yeah, a few of those guys are going to transfer.
Transfers happen. The eligibility situation is awkward, but you doogs cant preach recruit and let the best players play and then get upset with transfers.
Bob was the only coach on the staff who completely shit the bed with his own guys.
There's no one to blame but him.
You are such a concrete thinker its probably why you love the "LIPO" philosophy.
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Our wise elder @RaceBannon makes some good points here. So good that I might create 20 alts just to give him the up votes this poast deserves.RaceBannon said:Recruiting is so vital that we went 8 and 5 in year 6
It just means more
To point this out is not an anti recruiting stance. Its an anti TSIO stance and some of you need to learn the difference
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Someone posted the Blue Chip Ratio in a thread somewhere. Here are a few teams with more talent than UW.
With opt outs, cancellations and maybe not knowing who you might be playing week to week these five teams are struggling to meet their talent expectations.
Texas 65% 5-3
LSU 62% 3-4
Auburn 61% 5-3
Michigan 59% 2-4
Penn St. 58% 1-5
Now, Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, Clemson, Georgia, Notre Dame, USC and Texas AM are also on this list with UW and all these teams are having great years record wise, but development, culture, buy in and scheme fit all meld with talent to make great teams. Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State all have over 80% blue chip talent and they look like it. Their players just look different than everyone else's. The rest of the pack is between 50-65% and all those teams need the mix to be right to succeed. 2019 UW is a perfect example of everything being just a little off. It happens to teams every year. -
BBK just wasn’t physically ready to play against upper level teams. Not his fault when he was thrown out there against Bama as a Fr. As a senior, he was great.RoadDawg55 said:Imagine thinking BBK sucked. I remember wondering what the fuck some of you were watching. The guy was a playmaker and a great college football player.
Forces tons of fumbles, runs over dudes returning picks, has a TFL against Bama, and a sack vs Ohio State. But he only played good against the weak teams!
Oh yeah, had 176 tackles, All American, Pac 12 DPOY. Awards and stat lines slow, weak white guys get.
Watching his college highlight film on Youtube reminded me of what a baller he was. He was fast and was always around the ball.
And he wasn’t good only in his senior season. He was sacking Vernon Adams as a freshman and never redshirted even tho he was only 200 pounds.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2YFTUrm5sgU -
I never understood the BBK hate either. My best guess is that people were upset he wasn't an Azeem clone, and that due to his smaller size, he couldn't send the other team's rushers backward on every play and get a TFL every time they thought he should have.RoadDawg55 said:Imagine thinking BBK sucked. I remember wondering what the fuck some of you were watching. The guy was a playmaker and a great college football player.
Forces tons of fumbles, runs over dudes returning picks, has a TFL against Bama, and a sack vs Ohio State. But he only played good against the weak teams!
Oh yeah, had 176 tackles, All American, Pac 12 DPOY. Awards and stat lines slow, weak white guys get.
Watching his college highlight film on Youtube reminded me of what a baller he was. He was fast and was always around the ball.
And he wasn’t good only in his senior season. He was sacking Vernon Adams as a freshman and never redshirted even tho he was only 200 pounds.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2YFTUrm5sgU
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New bored motto?GrundleStiltzkin said:This thread has gone horribly awry.
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RoadDawg55 said:
Fuck off for thinking it was a miracle that we held Penn State to 35. That was Lake’s first game calling the D btw. We played like shit that day. You were doing somewhat well recently. Penn State was really good (lost two games by a total of 4 points) and we came out and played like shit in the first half.backthepack said:
We lost those games because we couldn’t physically matchup. We started Myles Bryant at outside corner, Bowman (he is pretty good now actually)/Tevis, 0 DL depth outside of Greg and Vita, Austin Joyner at Nickel, JoJo at safety etc. against Miles Sanders, Deasean Hamilton, Saquan Barkely, and Mike Geisicki and we only gave up 35 points in the Fiesta Bowl because Pete K is a wizard. Now imagine this defense against that offense...PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is why you are a fucking idiotbackthepack said:
Your anti-recruiting stance is pretty retarded. It’s the reason we lost the CFP game, Fiesta, and Rose Bowl games before they even started.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You guys keep hating his LB coaching and besides 2019 he produces good at worst units and remains on the staffNeighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
The fact he annoys the shit out of the recruiting obsessed irritating posters is the cherry on top for me.
Big Bob fan
We lost those games because of our head coach. Pete.
Jesus H Christ
Browning was bad. I would say little 3 star try hard Trace McSorely outplaying the highly touted Jake Browning was a key to Pedo State winning the game. Pettis was hurt and the team had no WR’s.
What’s your fucking point anyways? That it would have been cool to have some better players in that game? No shit FudgePack. We’ve lost other games to PAC 12 teams with a lot less talent than us. Recruiting isn’t always the answer to why we lose a game.
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Yella shit posting dominating page 1Swaye said:RoadDawg55 said:
Fuck off for thinking it was a miracle that we held Penn State to 35. That was Lake’s first game calling the D btw. We played like shit that day. You were doing somewhat well recently. Penn State was really good (lost two games by a total of 4 points) and we came out and played like shit in the first half.backthepack said:
We lost those games because we couldn’t physically matchup. We started Myles Bryant at outside corner, Bowman (he is pretty good now actually)/Tevis, 0 DL depth outside of Greg and Vita, Austin Joyner at Nickel, JoJo at safety etc. against Miles Sanders, Deasean Hamilton, Saquan Barkely, and Mike Geisicki and we only gave up 35 points in the Fiesta Bowl because Pete K is a wizard. Now imagine this defense against that offense...PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is why you are a fucking idiotbackthepack said:
Your anti-recruiting stance is pretty retarded. It’s the reason we lost the CFP game, Fiesta, and Rose Bowl games before they even started.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You guys keep hating his LB coaching and besides 2019 he produces good at worst units and remains on the staffNeighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
The fact he annoys the shit out of the recruiting obsessed irritating posters is the cherry on top for me.
Big Bob fan
We lost those games because of our head coach. Pete.
Jesus H Christ
Browning was bad. I would say little 3 star try hard Trace McSorely outplaying the highly touted Jake Browning was a key to Pedo State winning the game. Pettis was hurt and the team had no WR’s.
What’s your fucking point anyways? That it would have been cool to have some better players in that game? No shit FudgePack. We’ve lost other games to PAC 12 teams with a lot less talent than us. Recruiting isn’t always the answer to why we lose a game. -
Moorhead sucks.RoadDawg55 said:
Fuck off for thinking it was a miracle that we held Penn State to 35. That was Lake’s first game calling the D btw. We played like shit that day. You were doing somewhat well recently. Penn State was really good (lost two games by a total of 4 points) and we came out and played like shit in the first half.backthepack said:
We lost those games because we couldn’t physically matchup. We started Myles Bryant at outside corner, Bowman (he is pretty good now actually)/Tevis, 0 DL depth outside of Greg and Vita, Austin Joyner at Nickel, JoJo at safety etc. against Miles Sanders, Deasean Hamilton, Saquan Barkely, and Mike Geisicki and we only gave up 35 points in the Fiesta Bowl because Pete K is a wizard. Now imagine this defense against that offense...PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is why you are a fucking idiotbackthepack said:
Your anti-recruiting stance is pretty retarded. It’s the reason we lost the CFP game, Fiesta, and Rose Bowl games before they even started.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You guys keep hating his LB coaching and besides 2019 he produces good at worst units and remains on the staffNeighbor2972 said:PGOS starts these Bob Gregory threads every 3 months and it's the same lame argument every time.
The fact he annoys the shit out of the recruiting obsessed irritating posters is the cherry on top for me.
Big Bob fan
We lost those games because of our head coach. Pete.
Jesus H Christ
Browning was bad. I would say little 3 star try hard Trace McSorely outplaying the highly touted Jake Browning was a key to Pedo State winning the game. Pettis was hurt and the team had no WR’s.
What’s your fucking point anyways? That it would have been cool to have some better players in that game? No shit FudgePack. We’ve lost other games to PAC 12 teams with a lot less talent than us. Recruiting isn’t always the answer to why we lose a game. -
Did i ever say your NFL special teams hero sucked roadie?RoadDawg55 said:Imagine thinking BBK sucked. I remember wondering what the fuck some of you were watching. The guy was a playmaker and a great college football player.
Forces tons of fumbles, runs over dudes returning picks, has a TFL against Bama, and a sack vs Ohio State. But he only played good against the weak teams!
Oh yeah, had 176 tackles, All American, Pac 12 DPOY. Awards and stat lines slow, weak white guys get.
Watching his college highlight film on Youtube reminded me of what a baller he was. He was fast and was always around the ball.
And he wasn’t good only in his senior season. He was sacking Vernon Adams as a freshman and never redshirted even tho he was only 200 pounds.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2YFTUrm5sgU
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Loll you’re a try hard fag. Imagine writing 3 posts in support of a coach who has had 3.5 good LBs in the past 4 years (Azeem, BBK, Eddie, and 1/2 Bierra). You think Saban would put up with that?RoadDawg55 said:
Why the need to create narratives? The whole TBS game about some being lay ups, some coming here despite Bob, allnkf the opinions depending on whether the TBS addicts like the coach has always been retarded.backthepack said:
Bob didn’t even PWO Eddie. When Eddie beats out Danny Hammer, Tup, Ah You, Tafisi, Calvert etc. (most of whom didn’t come here because Bob is a good recruiter btw.) as a PWO it means he’s good. It’s not like the Sark/Ty years where you have to beat out a FCS level guy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
It does matter but it's not the end all be all as Ulofoshio proves. And you and Sub K and others that obsess over it are creepy and embarassing to observe. You need self awareness to realize this, which you...lackbackthepack said:To act like recruiting doesn’t matter is the biggest Boise State/BYU etc. way of thinking ever. Fuck that, I want us to look like Bama (which for the most part we do btw), not a fucking WAC school.
Ulo is here, Bob is his coach, and Bob gets credit for developing him into a very good LB. I wish he would have played sooner, but he had to earn it.
Who gives a fuck why Heimuli, Calvert, and all the other LB’s came to UW? They are here. I wouldn’t have minded Bob getting fired but I’ve also said it will turn out fine.
We have a bunch of LB’s, they seem to be developing and improving. We are already pretty good at LB and will continue to get better. We have had good LB play before last year.
Special teams has been up and down, but you’re foolish if you think Bob is the only coach on special teams. They all pitch in. We broke NCAA records for punt return TD’s with BG as the special teams coach. I know Pete coached the returners, but there were obviously good return calls that were executed well.
Bob has been a part of this defensive staff for years and has a good track record as an assistant coach. He’s not a great recruiter but some here put way too much credence in believing liking an assistant coach is the main reason recruits choose a school. It’s one of many factors.
I fucking love Kwat, but giving him credit for Smalls and giving Bob no credit for getting Kaho (not Bob’s fault that he left) or Heimuli doesn’t make sense.
I understand some of the heat Bob gets, but the exaggerations and fictional, selective bullshit is stupid.
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You're 100% right but its pointless to argue with this hivemind shit.RoadDawg55 said:Imagine thinking BBK sucked. I remember wondering what the fuck some of you were watching. The guy was a playmaker and a great college football player.
Forces tons of fumbles, runs over dudes returning picks, has a TFL against Bama, and a sack vs Ohio State. But he only played good against the weak teams!
Oh yeah, had 176 tackles, All American, Pac 12 DPOY. Awards and stat lines slow, weak white guys get.
Watching his college highlight film on Youtube reminded me of what a baller he was. He was fast and was always around the ball.
And he wasn’t good only in his senior season. He was sacking Vernon Adams as a freshman and never redshirted even tho he was only 200 pounds.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2YFTUrm5sgU
