The Chump Effect

creepycoug said:

Bendintheriver said:

SFGbob said:

TheKobeStopper said:

HHusky said:

TheKobeStopper said:

There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.

I’m not convinced that the people saying we shouldn’t do it because they already paid, aren’t just right wingers who would oppose it regardless.

I do think there’s lot of people like you, who could support it but feel it’s unfair. And, for the record, it is unfair.

I don’t know what you mean by “recognition”. I would say by cancelling the debt we are acknowledging that the people before got a raw deal. I don’t think any kind of compensation is on the table because the right would scream about how are we going to pay for that and dems don’t have the courage to stand up to that nonsense.

You won't answer because you're lightweight and a coward but why the fuck do you feel you have an entitlement to the labor of others for choices you made? Why should people who never attended college be paying for your student loan debt? Why should someone who went to Community College and then to a public school because they couldn't afford a private university be paying the student loan debt of someone who chose a private liberal arts school?

It's fucking outrageous that this is even being considered.

You are damn right it is outrageous. Anyone who is dumb enough and lacks any common sense to spend 100K on an education that they could not afford will just make the same mistake again when they end up having kids. Seriously, why in the hell should the tax payers pay for poor decision making? We all have friends who's little spoiled darlings went to private schools and came out with worthless degrees. I have a customer who sent their son and daughter to Brown for degrees in education. They owe over 150K. Do the fucking math. Those debts will never get paid on a teachers salary. When they get to the administrative level they can maybe make a dent but that will most likely be 10-15 years down the road. Sorry but that is not my fault and I object to anyone expecting me to pay for that bad decision making. Here in GA they could have sent them to a state school and had tuition paid for by the lottery. They could have come out with a degree in education from UGA and had zero debt. We can't afford to pay for that kind of stupidity.

It is outrageous that rat leadership is even thinking about buying votes with my tax dollars and it going to really stupid people.

If they owe over 150k, then they didn't demonstrate need to Brown or their parents had the means and didn't want to chip in. The Ivy League and other wealthy schools are typically pretty generous with free money. While I grant you that each school's "need" algorithm is different, generally speaking you don't need to go into great debt to attend the Ivy League (or equivalent) if you can get in and don't have the money.

https://www.brown.edu/about/administration/financial-aid/brown-promise-faqs

Also, there are myriad cirmunstances where loans can be forgiven or cancelled if you go into various public service careers.

https://www.brown.edu/about/administration/loans/repay-your-loans/cancellation-forgiveness

Lastly, call me elitist all you want, using an Ivy League school is not a great example. Those kids could turn that Ivy League diploma into a well-paying job any time they wish.

I agree with your main point. It is beyond outrageous.

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

College costs have skyrocketed over the past 20 years. That's the issue. I agree that if you major in transgender studies and get bent out of shape over having to work at Starphucks for $12.25 an hour, you bear some responsibility. It doesn't change the fact that there used to be an effort and understanding that state schools ought to be affordable for middle class families.