The Chump Effect
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I think colleges should completely do away with the bullshit general electives and such and get everyone in and out in 2 years.haie said:defund the online and ancillary colleges yesterday.
Schools like UW can fuck around with weird programs because they also have top notch medical, computer science, reputable business school, great law school, etc.
Kids can't make the grade in engineering there and transfer elsewhere and thrive. There's still real world practicality on that campus, even if a lot of the teachers and admins are nuts.
The online and ancillary schools just have nothing but shit, and are still able to charge a boatload to contribute to this problem.
Online schools specifically are an absolute sham. I worked for one. The people who run those are con artists of the highest caliber.
The only purpose of that shit is to employ people who are otherwise unemployable and then to train more of those people. It's a cycle.
If you don't get paid for it, it's a hobby. Welcome to 2020. You can learn any hobby for free on tbe internet. -
Or choose another path like doing well in school and earning a scholarship or going to one of the service academies. Relative went service academy did very well there and is going onto training for advanced fighters. A number of guys I worked with went part time and earned degrees including masters and a couple PhD's Many ways to skin the cat without destroying your life. Going four years to party and getting a degree that is worthless is a recipe for misery.
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If you really wanted to do something about the high cost of college you'd be calling for the complete elimination of a Federally backed student loan program. Weird how leftists never make the connection between the two.
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Keeping the loans and having the taxpayers forgive them is an end run to taxpayers paying for college in the first place which is the goalSFGbob said:If you really wanted to do something about the high cost of college you'd be calling for the complete elimination of a Federally backed student loan program. Weird how leftists never make the connection between the two.
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Required “free” College soon to follow?
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Partially agree.Pitchfork51 said:My issue with it is that this doesn't solve anything without first putting in policies that make it clear that all of this was a bad mistake
It seems to be conspicuously missing. No one is saying if you need relief it's because you clearly did a bad thing. Its more like "you did right but the world is evil"
Part of it is that for 2 generations now people have been brainwashed that if they go to a "good school" (no matter the debt, major etc) then they are entitled to a good job and life.
The colleges, teachers, and people's own shitty parents (biggest culprit) are the enablers
That needs to end too.
If you go to a "good school", and use that education to go make money, honestly, six figures of debt is nothing that early in life.
I speak from experience. I didn't go to LS at UPenn, at a time when tuition was about $20K a year, and they had given me $10k/year in free money. In the early 90s, I was afraid of, let's call it, $60k of debt. So I stayed here and graduated with zero debt. In the intervening time, I've pissed away $60k a few times on non-sense. I should have gone to Penn.
The other thing to remember is that the "good school" often allows you to study what is of actual intellectual interest to you. A friend's daughter was just profiled in one of those Sillicon Valley "Under 30 rising stars". Dartmouth AB History.
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Agree.Sledog said:Or choose another path like doing well in school and earning a scholarship or going to one of the service academies. Relative went service academy did very well there and is going onto training for advanced fighters. A number of guys I worked with went part time and earned degrees including masters and a couple PhD's Many ways to skin the cat without destroying your life. Going four years to party and getting a degree that is worthless is a recipe for misery.
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Agree. It would immediately get rid of the bloated admin. costs these schools have. Christ Title IX alone is an entire department of people. Vice Chancellor of diversity, Dean of Fairness, Head of the Safe Space committee. They are bloated from an overhead standpoint. Make them compete in a free market sans the externality of gov't. subsidy and watch that level of management vanish and tuition come down.SFGbob said:If you really wanted to do something about the high cost of college you'd be calling for the complete elimination of a Federally backed student loan program. Weird how leftists never make the connection between the two.
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Intellectual interest as a 20 year old is fucking stupid though. Get in and get the fuck out.creepycoug said:
Partially agree.Pitchfork51 said:My issue with it is that this doesn't solve anything without first putting in policies that make it clear that all of this was a bad mistake
It seems to be conspicuously missing. No one is saying if you need relief it's because you clearly did a bad thing. Its more like "you did right but the world is evil"
Part of it is that for 2 generations now people have been brainwashed that if they go to a "good school" (no matter the debt, major etc) then they are entitled to a good job and life.
The colleges, teachers, and people's own shitty parents (biggest culprit) are the enablers
That needs to end too.
If you go to a "good school", and use that education to go make money, honestly, six figures of debt is nothing that early in life.
I speak from experience. I didn't go to LS at UPenn, at a time when tuition was about $20K a year, and they had given me $10k/year in free money. In the early 90s, I was afraid of, let's call it, $60k of debt. So I stayed here and graduated with zero debt. In the intervening time, I've pissed away $60k a few times on non-sense. I should have gone to Penn.
The other thing to remember is that the "good school" often allows you to study what is of actual intellectual interest to you. A friend's daughter was just profiled in one of those Sillicon Valley "Under 30 rising stars". Dartmouth AB History. -
Sad commentary on you. Not surprised though.Pitchfork51 said:
Intellectual interest as a 20 year old is fucking stupid though.creepycoug said:
Partially agree.Pitchfork51 said:My issue with it is that this doesn't solve anything without first putting in policies that make it clear that all of this was a bad mistake
It seems to be conspicuously missing. No one is saying if you need relief it's because you clearly did a bad thing. Its more like "you did right but the world is evil"
Part of it is that for 2 generations now people have been brainwashed that if they go to a "good school" (no matter the debt, major etc) then they are entitled to a good job and life.
The colleges, teachers, and people's own shitty parents (biggest culprit) are the enablers
That needs to end too.
If you go to a "good school", and use that education to go make money, honestly, six figures of debt is nothing that early in life.
I speak from experience. I didn't go to LS at UPenn, at a time when tuition was about $20K a year, and they had given me $10k/year in free money. In the early 90s, I was afraid of, let's call it, $60k of debt. So I stayed here and graduated with zero debt. In the intervening time, I've pissed away $60k a few times on non-sense. I should have gone to Penn.
The other thing to remember is that the "good school" often allows you to study what is of actual intellectual interest to you. A friend's daughter was just profiled in one of those Sillicon Valley "Under 30 rising stars". Dartmouth AB History.
