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The Chump Effect

WestlinnDuck
WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,633 Standard Supporter
If YOU want to pay for a degree in Women's Studies from a sh*tty leftard run college, feel free. But, subsidizing the mental destruction of our citizenry is not a long-term survival skill.

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THE CHUMP EFFECT:

Last January, a small but telling exchange took place at an Elizabeth Warren campaign event in Grimes, Iowa. At the time, Warren was attracting support from the Democratic Party’s left flank, with her bulging portfolio of progressive proposals. “Warren Has a Plan for That” read her campaign T-shirts. The biggest buzz surrounded her $1.25 trillion plan to pay off student-loan debt for most Americans.

A man approached Warren with a question. “My daughter is getting out of school. I’ve saved all my money [so that] she doesn’t have any student loans. Am I going to get my money back?”

“Of course not,” Warren replied.

“So you’re going to pay for people who didn’t save any money, and those of us who did the right thing get screwed?”

A video of the exchange went viral. It summed up the frustration many feel over the way progressive policies so often benefit select groups, while subtly undermining others. Saving money to send your children to college used to be considered a hallmark of middle-class responsibility. By subsidizing people who run up large debts, Warren’s policy would penalize those who took that responsibility seriously. “You’re laughing at me,” the man said, when Warren seemed to wave off his concerns. “That’s exactly what you’re doing. We did the right thing and we get screwed.”

That father was expressing an emotion growing more common these days: he felt like a chump. Feeling like a chump doesn’t just mean being upset that your taxes are rising or annoyed that you’re missing out on some windfall. It’s more visceral than that. People feel like chumps when they believe that they’ve played a game by the rules, only to discover that the game is rigged. Not only are they losing, they realize, but their good sportsmanship is being exploited. The players flouting the rules are the ones who get the trophy. Like that Iowa dad, the chumps of modern America feel that the life choices they’re most proud of—working hard, taking care of their families, being good citizens—aren’t just undervalued, but scorned.

The “Chump Effect” could be going (even more) viral soon:


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  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    Should provide for some retroactive tax credits. I don’t feel screwed, but I can appreciate why many would. And American policy should lose the idea that progress is everyone going to college. It’s not.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,046 Standard Supporter
    Classic socialism. To the victors go the spoils and the hard working Americans who take personal responsibility seriously get screwed and have to pay for the free loaders.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,633 Standard Supporter

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    The argument is that "free college" is a stupid idea and that those who got played do have a righteous anger.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
  • alumni94
    alumni94 Member Posts: 4,871
    American tired socialism, it almost killed them.

    This Thanksgiving, be thankful for Capitalism.

    https://cei.org/blog/how-capitalism-and-property-rights-saved-the-pilgrims-from-starving/

  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,126 Standard Supporter
    The Throbber has no problem with student loan restructuring. Put the English Lit majors to work re-building bridges, managing the forests, teaching inner city kids...whatever. Don't whine to me because your Women's Swahili Study degree gets you a job as a barista instead of pulling down big jack in tech.

    Ain't no free lunch in this world. Bad choices mean consequences. Doesn't mean a lifetime of suck - but provide means to get out from under shitty choices and then stop making bad choices.

    Life ain't that hard, folks.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,861 Standard Supporter

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    We are not forgiving your interpretive dance masters degree.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    Why do you feel entitled to the labor of others for the choices you made?
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Maybe we should subsidize All gamblers bets up to $50,000 just to make it Fair
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    edited November 2020
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I recognize it, now do you feel better? But no fucking way should other taxpayers be subsidizing you for the choices you made. This is a slap in the face to people who chose not to go to college and those of us who paid our own way through college.

    Why should I or anyone else be subsidizing someone who chose to go to an expensive private college or for that matter any college? Should the guy who works as a plumber really be subsidizing the gender studies major that went to Oberlin?

    My comment was based on the assumption that there will be some student loan debt relief. I think that’s a virtual certainty, don’t you? If it comes, I think parents who sacrificed to send kids to school in recent years should also get some relief.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    doogie said:

    Chump

    Succinct
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I recognize it, now do you feel better? But no fucking way should other taxpayers be subsidizing you for the choices you made. This is a slap in the face to people who chose not to go to college and those of us who paid our own way through college.

    Why should I or anyone else be subsidizing someone who chose to go to an expensive private college or for that matter any college? Should the guy who works as a plumber really be subsidizing the gender studies major that went to Oberlin?

    My comment was based on the assumption that there will be some student loan debt relief. I think that’s a virtual certainty, don’t you? If it comes, I think parents who sacrificed to send kids to school in recent years should also get some relief.
    If the GOP holds the Senate it isn't a certainty and the fact that it is even being considered is fucking outrageous. Blue collar folks subsidizing people who chose to go to college is class warfare in reverse. I couldn't afford to attend a private school. Why should I pay for someone who could have easily attended a less expensive school but now has tens of thousands in student loan debt on account of choosing to go to a private or out of state school? No, you shouldn't get any relief.
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I’m not convinced that the people saying we shouldn’t do it because they already paid, aren’t just right wingers who would oppose it regardless.

    I do think there’s lot of people like you, who could support it but feel it’s unfair. And, for the record, it is unfair.

    I don’t know what you mean by “recognition”. I would say by cancelling the debt we are acknowledging that the people before got a raw deal. I don’t think any kind of compensation is on the table because the right would scream about how are we going to pay for that and dems don’t have the courage to stand up to that nonsense.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I recognize it, now do you feel better? But no fucking way should other taxpayers be subsidizing you for the choices you made. This is a slap in the face to people who chose not to go to college and those of us who paid our own way through college.

    Why should I or anyone else be subsidizing someone who chose to go to an expensive private college or for that matter any college? Should the guy who works as a plumber really be subsidizing the gender studies major that went to Oberlin?

    My comment was based on the assumption that there will be some student loan debt relief. I think that’s a virtual certainty, don’t you? If it comes, I think parents who sacrificed to send kids to school in recent years should also get some relief.
    Work it off. What other 'debt relief' are you planning on pawning off on normal working joe taxpayer?

    Parents who paid for English Lit degrees are dumbfucks. Same dumbfuck parents who think 5'2" Johnny should be on the varsity basketball team because he loves the game so much and they paid for private coaching sessions.

    Dumbfucks.

    I’m thinking I’ll be paying a lot more for this than “normal joe”. “normal joe” doesn’t make so much that he pays a ton of federal income tax. The bad policies that led us to this point are spilled milk.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,792 Swaye's Wigwam
    It is a good idea but I think it should only go to blacks that have suffered from slavery.

    this in lieu of reparations -

    and by the way @TheKobeStopper What an asshole comment in reply to HH
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,046 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I’m not convinced that the people saying we shouldn’t do it because they already paid, aren’t just right wingers who would oppose it regardless.

    I do think there’s lot of people like you, who could support it but feel it’s unfair. And, for the record, it is unfair.

    I don’t know what you mean by “recognition”. I would say by cancelling the debt we are acknowledging that the people before got a raw deal. I don’t think any kind of compensation is on the table because the right would scream about how are we going to pay for that and dems don’t have the courage to stand up to that nonsense.
    You won't answer because you're lightweight and a coward but why the fuck do you feel you have an entitlement to the labor of others for choices you made? Why should people who never attended college be paying for your student loan debt? Why should someone who went to Community College and then to a public school because they couldn't afford a private university be paying the student loan debt of someone who chose a private liberal arts school?

    It's fucking outrageous that this is even being considered.
    You are damn right it is outrageous. Anyone who is dumb enough and lacks any common sense to spend 100K on an education that they could not afford will just make the same mistake again when they end up having kids. Seriously, why in the hell should the tax payers pay for poor decision making? We all have friends who's little spoiled darlings went to private schools and came out with worthless degrees. I have a customer who sent their son and daughter to Brown for degrees in education. They owe over 150K. Do the fucking math. Those debts will never get paid on a teachers salary. When they get to the administrative level they can maybe make a dent but that will most likely be 10-15 years down the road. Sorry but that is not my fault and I object to anyone expecting me to pay for that bad decision making. Here in GA they could have sent them to a state school and had tuition paid for by the lottery. They could have come out with a degree in education from UGA and had zero debt. We can't afford to pay for that kind of stupidity.

    It is outrageous that rat leadership is even thinking about buying votes with my tax dollars and it going to really stupid people.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    edited November 2020
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I recognize it, now do you feel better? But no fucking way should other taxpayers be subsidizing you for the choices you made. This is a slap in the face to people who chose not to go to college and those of us who paid our own way through college.

    Why should I or anyone else be subsidizing someone who chose to go to an expensive private college or for that matter any college? Should the guy who works as a plumber really be subsidizing the gender studies major that went to Oberlin?

    My comment was based on the assumption that there will be some student loan debt relief. I think that’s a virtual certainty, don’t you? If it comes, I think parents who sacrificed to send kids to school in recent years should also get some relief.
    Work it off. What other 'debt relief' are you planning on pawning off on normal working joe taxpayer?

    Parents who paid for English Lit degrees are dumbfucks. Same dumbfuck parents who think 5'2" Johnny should be on the varsity basketball team because he loves the game so much and they paid for private coaching sessions.

    Dumbfucks.

    I’m thinking I’ll be paying a lot more for this than “normal joe”. “normal joe” doesn’t make so much that he pays a ton of federal income tax. The bad policies that led us to this point are spilled milk.
    So a guy who never went to college but started his own plumbing business or HVAC repair and installation service is paying just as much if not more in taxes as you are Dazzler and they are actually providing a useful service to society unlike you who is leaching upon society and giving shitty legal representation to the suckers you call clients.

    He shouldn't be subsidizing you because you chose to pay for your kid's college. You made that choice. Quit you're fucking bitching and get your hand out of other people's pockets in order to pay for the choices you made.
    What a sad, obsessed little man you are, blob. Like most tax benefits provided to people of moderate means--you'll recall I said that--I wouldn't be likely to benefit, nor was I proposing that I do anything but pay.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I recognize it, now do you feel better? But no fucking way should other taxpayers be subsidizing you for the choices you made. This is a slap in the face to people who chose not to go to college and those of us who paid our own way through college.

    Why should I or anyone else be subsidizing someone who chose to go to an expensive private college or for that matter any college? Should the guy who works as a plumber really be subsidizing the gender studies major that went to Oberlin?

    My comment was based on the assumption that there will be some student loan debt relief. I think that’s a virtual certainty, don’t you? If it comes, I think parents who sacrificed to send kids to school in recent years should also get some relief.
    Work it off. What other 'debt relief' are you planning on pawning off on normal working joe taxpayer?

    Parents who paid for English Lit degrees are dumbfucks. Same dumbfuck parents who think 5'2" Johnny should be on the varsity basketball team because he loves the game so much and they paid for private coaching sessions.

    Dumbfucks.

    I’m thinking I’ll be paying a lot more for this than “normal joe”. “normal joe” doesn’t make so much that he pays a ton of federal income tax. The bad policies that led us to this point are spilled milk.
    So a guy who never went to college but started his own plumbing business or HVAC repair and installation service is paying just as much if not more in taxes as you are Dazzler and they are actually providing a useful service to society unlike you who is leaching upon society and giving shitty legal representation to the suckers you call clients.

    He shouldn't be subsidizing you because you chose to pay for your kid's college. You made that choice. Quit you're fucking bitching and get your hand out of other people's pockets in order to pay for the choices you made.
    What a sad, obsessed little man you are, blob. Like most tax benefits provided to people of moderate means--you'll recall I said that--I wouldn't be likely to benefit, nor was I proposing that I do anything but pay.
    MELTDOWN commencing...
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I recognize it, now do you feel better? But no fucking way should other taxpayers be subsidizing you for the choices you made. This is a slap in the face to people who chose not to go to college and those of us who paid our own way through college.

    Why should I or anyone else be subsidizing someone who chose to go to an expensive private college or for that matter any college? Should the guy who works as a plumber really be subsidizing the gender studies major that went to Oberlin?

    My comment was based on the assumption that there will be some student loan debt relief. I think that’s a virtual certainty, don’t you? If it comes, I think parents who sacrificed to send kids to school in recent years should also get some relief.
    Work it off. What other 'debt relief' are you planning on pawning off on normal working joe taxpayer?

    Parents who paid for English Lit degrees are dumbfucks. Same dumbfuck parents who think 5'2" Johnny should be on the varsity basketball team because he loves the game so much and they paid for private coaching sessions.

    Dumbfucks.

    I’m thinking I’ll be paying a lot more for this than “normal joe”. “normal joe” doesn’t make so much that he pays a ton of federal income tax. The bad policies that led us to this point are spilled milk.
    So a guy who never went to college but started his own plumbing business or HVAC repair and installation service is paying just as much if not more in taxes as you are Dazzler and they are actually providing a useful service to society unlike you who is leaching upon society and giving shitty legal representation to the suckers you call clients.

    He shouldn't be subsidizing you because you chose to pay for your kid's college. You made that choice. Quit you're fucking bitching and get your hand out of other people's pockets in order to pay for the choices you made.
    What a sad, obsessed little man you are, blob. Like most tax benefits provided to people of moderate means--you'll recall I said that--I wouldn't be likely to benefit, nor was I proposing that I do anything but pay.
    MELTDOWN commencing...
    Ivan's run out of ideas.
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I’m not convinced that the people saying we shouldn’t do it because they already paid, aren’t just right wingers who would oppose it regardless.

    I do think there’s lot of people like you, who could support it but feel it’s unfair. And, for the record, it is unfair.

    I don’t know what you mean by “recognition”. I would say by cancelling the debt we are acknowledging that the people before got a raw deal. I don’t think any kind of compensation is on the table because the right would scream about how are we going to pay for that and dems don’t have the courage to stand up to that nonsense.
    You won't answer because you're lightweight and a coward but why the fuck do you feel you have an entitlement to the labor of others for choices you made? Why should people who never attended college be paying for your student loan debt? Why should someone who went to Community College and then to a public school because they couldn't afford a private university be paying the student loan debt of someone who chose a private liberal arts school?

    It's fucking outrageous that this is even being considered.
    You really think “why should I pay taxes for something I don’t use” is a heavyweight argument. That’s wild.
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,171 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    Should provide for some retroactive tax credits. I don’t feel screwed, but I can appreciate why many would. And American policy should lose the idea that progress is everyone going to college. It’s not.

    It's not like you're paying $75,000 a year anyway. Why would you be upset?
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    RoadTrip said:

    HHusky said:

    Should provide for some retroactive tax credits. I don’t feel screwed, but I can appreciate why many would. And American policy should lose the idea that progress is everyone going to college. It’s not.

    It's not like you're paying $75,000 a year anyway. Why would you be upset?
    Que?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    There is nothing that came be done that won’t make some people mad. What a stupid argument.

    I’m sympathetic. We spent a shitload of money sending three kids to college. There should be some recognition of that for people of moderate means who paid outrageous sums.
    I recognize it, now do you feel better? But no fucking way should other taxpayers be subsidizing you for the choices you made. This is a slap in the face to people who chose not to go to college and those of us who paid our own way through college.

    Why should I or anyone else be subsidizing someone who chose to go to an expensive private college or for that matter any college? Should the guy who works as a plumber really be subsidizing the gender studies major that went to Oberlin?

    My comment was based on the assumption that there will be some student loan debt relief. I think that’s a virtual certainty, don’t you? If it comes, I think parents who sacrificed to send kids to school in recent years should also get some relief.
    Work it off. What other 'debt relief' are you planning on pawning off on normal working joe taxpayer?

    Parents who paid for English Lit degrees are dumbfucks. Same dumbfuck parents who think 5'2" Johnny should be on the varsity basketball team because he loves the game so much and they paid for private coaching sessions.

    Dumbfucks.

    I’m thinking I’ll be paying a lot more for this than “normal joe”. “normal joe” doesn’t make so much that he pays a ton of federal income tax. The bad policies that led us to this point are spilled milk.
    So a guy who never went to college but started his own plumbing business or HVAC repair and installation service is paying just as much if not more in taxes as you are Dazzler and they are actually providing a useful service to society unlike you who is leaching upon society and giving shitty legal representation to the suckers you call clients.

    He shouldn't be subsidizing you because you chose to pay for your kid's college. You made that choice. Quit you're fucking bitching and get your hand out of other people's pockets in order to pay for the choices you made.
    What a sad, obsessed little man you are, blob. Like most tax benefits provided to people of moderate means--you'll recall I said that--I wouldn't be likely to benefit, nor was I proposing that I do anything but pay.
    MELTDOWN commencing...
    Yeah, you can always tell when you've hit a nerve with the Dazzler.