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How does Trump recover from this mess...

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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,749 Founders Club
    edited October 2020


    DuckDan wouldn’t rent to Section 8 recipients and @HHusky was his biggest fan.

    This is a fact
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,999 Standard Supporter

    Agreed. But anti-Trumpism is a blip on the historical radar. The Jews have incurred the ire of people all over the globe seemingly since the beginning of time. It's crazy how maligned they have been and by as many different groups. It's astonishing.
    Not that astonishing if you've ever witnessed some of the women harassing a sales clerk to allow a return past 30 days.

    Annoying as fucking hell.
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,763 Standard Supporter
    The hate for the jews goes back to usury laws methinks. Christians were unable to loan money to other christians and the Jews stepped in. Most religions banned interest when loaning money to a persons of the same faith. Again, the jews stepped in. Much more complicated but the jews were the bankers. Still are some think.

    One of the best conspiracy (and maybe truthful) is the Rothschilds Bank of France loaning money to the Bank of England to defeat the French and Napoleon (before he became a dessert). That would piss a lot of people off towards the Jews.
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,901 Swaye's Wigwam
    LebamDawg said:

    The hate for the jews goes back to usury laws methinks. Christians were unable to loan money to other christians and the Jews stepped in. Most religions banned interest when loaning money to a persons of the same faith. Again, the jews stepped in. Much more complicated but the jews were the bankers. Still are some think.

    One of the best conspiracy (and maybe truthful) is the Rothschilds Bank of France loaning money to the Bank of England to defeat the French and Napoleon (before he became a dessert). That would piss a lot of people off towards the Jews.


    The Rothschild thing isn’t even a conspiracy, it’s definitely true. Though it wasn’t through bank of France I don’t think, it was through his own company in England.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,689

    DuckDan wouldn’t rent to Section 8 recipients and @HHusky was his biggest fan.
    Oh you girls and your lingo. What the Hell is a Section 8 recipient?
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,409
    At this point I really don't care all that much because it's virtually guaranteed that a republican woman will win in 2024.

    The Dems will run a woman too but in case you haven't noticed all dem women are absolute harpies.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,409
    We could be facing the Nazis and proud boys could be our only hope and I still couldn't support them due to how fucking gay that name is
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,842

    Was wondering why I kept getting notifications...think you meant @Houhusky.

    As for the Proud Boys, they started out as a bunch of counterculture hipster wanna-be meathead dudes in NYC that like to go meet up and drink. Founded by a guy who is married to a Native America, and currently run by a Hispanic guy. They are a hell of a lot more ethnically diverse than the BLM riots on the West Coast which are almost all pasty white beta rich kids, which makes is ironic that the nutjob Left are labeling the Proud Boys as a hate group. Because they are over-the-top patriotic.

    And because the nutjob Left are racists...
    I did. Sorry about that.

    Then again, Richard Spencer apparently likes a little color in his girls friends too. Who among us doesn't like some of the other in some contexts.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,714 Founders Club
    edited October 2020

    The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBVIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.

    I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.

    In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
    I think you nailed it. There are plenty of good decent folks who see BLM and say "they are the real racists basing everything on skin color, being aggrieved, having huge double standards on black v black vs. white v black violence, and being violent in US cities when not getting their way." To the hardcore left, those people who think like that are racists, but to everyone else with a brain nothing about that comment is racist. It's fact, not feeling. The Proud Boys and other groups are not that though. They range from passively to militantly anti-black.

    The issue with Trump is he is too politically clumsy to court the first group - rational actors who see the huge double standards and issues with cancel culture and a BLM movement based on tearing down America - without clearly denouncing the second group - actual dyed in the wool get to the back of the bus racists. It's not a super difficult task for a deft public speaker with some real political chops, but Trump wasn't hired for his political chops. He's a bull, and bulls don't do bonsai, they break china (lulz).

    Trump blew it hard with that exchange, and it played right into the hands of how the media has been trying to portray him for 4 years. Everyone who isn't a complete brain on fire imbecile knows Trump isn't actually a racist, he is a clumsy politician trying to court a huge rational segment of the electorate with legitimate concerns over issues of race. But, the media has all the ammo they need now to paint him as the Grand Dragon. You have to pitch a perfect game as a GOP candidate in a tight race, when the entire political establishment, ballot fraud, and the media empire is allied against you, and Trump's heater was junk when he needed it most.

    Mark me down for Biden in a closer one than people expected. Only caveat is if there are more debates and we get drooling Joe just once.


  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,749 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    I think you nailed it. There are plenty of good decent folks who see BLM and say "they are the real racists basing everything on skin color, being aggrieved, having huge double standards on black v black vs. white v black violence, and being violent in US cities when not getting their way." To the hardcore left, those people who think like that are racists, but to everyone else with a brain nothing about that comment is racist. It's fact, not feeling. The Proud Boys and other groups are not that though. They range from passively to militantly anti-black.

    The issue with Trump is he is too politically clumsy to court the first group - rational actors who see the huge double standards and issues with cancel culture and a BLM movement based on tearing down America - without clearly denouncing the second group - actual dyed in the wool get to the back of the bus racists. It's not a super difficult task for a deft public speaker with some real political chops, but Trump wasn't hired for his political chops. He's a bull, and bulls don't do bonsai, they break china (lulz).

    Trump blew it hard with that exchange, and it played right into the hands of how the media has been trying to portray him for 4 years. Everyone who isn't a complete brain on fire imbecile knows Trump isn't actually a racist, he is a clumsy politician trying to court a huge rational segment of the electorate with legitimate concerns over issues of race. But, the media has all the ammo they need now to paint him as the Grand Dragon. You have to pitch a perfect game as a GOP candidate in a tight race, when the entire political establishment, ballot fraud, and the media empire is allied against you, and Trump's heater was junk when he needed it most.

    Mark me down for Biden in a closer one than people expected. Only caveat is if there are more debates and we get drooling Joe just once.


    Disagree
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,714 Founders Club
    edited October 2020

    Disagree
    Which part? Trump fumbled the Proud Boys question, or loses in a squeaker? Or all of the above?

    edit: I know you agree with the "We didn't hire Trump to be a politician" angle, because super secret gay cabal.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,749 Founders Club
    Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest

    Clean some things up and get back out there

    What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected

    That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it

    And team joe leapt at two more debates

    Fish on
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,714 Founders Club

    Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest

    Clean some things up and get back out there

    What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected

    That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it

    And team joe leapt at two more debates


    Fish on

    That was the best news yet. I just can't imagine this guy getting through 3 debates without showing the confused dementia Joe. And if he does, it's sweaty Nixon part duh.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,999 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2020

    We could be facing the Nazis and proud boys could be our only hope and I still couldn't support them due to how fucking gay that name is

    You're confusing the Proud Boys with the Proud Patriotic Cock-Sucking Butt-fuckers. Easy to do.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,258 Swaye's Wigwam

    Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest

    Clean some things up and get back out there

    What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected

    That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it

    And team joe leapt at two more debates

    Fish on

    The people convinced one way or another didn't change based on this debate.

    Worst thing for Joe is that people found it unbearable and tuned out. He needs enthusiasm and not apathy from people not in his base. Lowering to Trump's level doesn't help him with that. He needed to be statesman like and cool and he lost that five minutes in.
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