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The Atlantic: Trump Secretly Mocks His Christian Supporters, Too!
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The article is about how Trump "mocks" the religious right. Trump has done far more for the religious right than any President in my life time. Most members of the GOP don't mock the RR.dnc said:
The fact that the GOP generally pays lip service to the religious right then does jack shit for them when actually in office (such as never defunding Planned Parenthood).SFGbob said:
What do you base your claim on that most members of the GOP mock them?dnc said:
Hi there.SFGbob said:
If you "feel" that most members of the GOP mock the Christian right you're full of crap. Fear of the Religious Right is completely irrational given their ability to impact in anyway how you live your life. Now apply that same standard to the religious left.dnc said:
Not a liberal nor a religious bigot.SFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
Try again.
I'm not the least bit afraid of the Religious Right. I AM the Religious Right.
hth.
Again I'm not talking card carrying GOP. I'm talking politicians in political office. The religious right are used by the GOP far more than actually valued and appreciated.
It's not unlike how the left treats African Americans.
Unlike past Presidents Trump has delivered for the RR. -
Have we not just spent the last half a century (if not longer) beating down Christians who are overly judgmental of others personal choices and now we are disappointed when they dont judge Trump more harshly?dnc said:
I don't have a problem with the religious right voting for Trump or appreciating what Trump has done policy wise for the reasons you outline. The full fledged embrace of and defense of who he is is what is highly disappointing.Houhusky said:
Is it?GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
Ive been told he is going to give them a supreme court justice that may overturn Roe v Wade, has limited Obamacare's reach into religious organizations, and stopped the IRS from targeting their non profit organizations.
Trump is objectively sucky at being a Christian, but as far as getting results he has got them the best results for them since Reagan.
Its a good thing that the Christian right has punted the football on intrapersonal moral judgements on individuals. Im not upset they aren't passing out scarlet letters anymore. The most vigorous defense of Trump's personal choices I have seen is to call him an imperfect vessel.
I would be wary of confusing defense of his personal choices, with defense of his politics, with politicking in general. -
I have a problem when they force kreationism into public school curriculum just like I have a problem with things like critical race theory and the garbage grifter Robin DiAngelo spewsSFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me. -
Now count the number of school districts that actually teach creationism and then compare that to the number of school districts that teach critical race theory.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I have a problem when they force kreationism into public school curriculum just like I have a problem with things like critical race theory and the garbage grifter Robin DiAngelo spewsSFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me. -
Where is Creationism being taught in schools? It sure isn’t in Oregon.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I have a problem when they force kreationism into public school curriculum just like I have a problem with things like critical race theory and the garbage grifter Robin DiAngelo spewsSFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
My daughters sure know about Islam, though. Apparently that was such an important fictional tale to not tell them in middle school. I doubt they got to the part where Mohammad was banging his 9 year-old wife, but who really knows? -
You've been here as long as you have and you think @dnc is an atheist liberal?SFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
It never ceases to amaze me how much time some people spend here and they still don't fucking get it. -
I agree ratcheting down the judgementalism is a good look for Evangelicals. I wish I believed it was for actual spiritual reasons and not just because it's politically convenient in this case.Houhusky said:
Have we not just spent the last half a century (if not longer) beating down Christians who are overly judgmental of others personal choices and now we are disappointed when they dont judge Trump more harshly?dnc said:
I don't have a problem with the religious right voting for Trump or appreciating what Trump has done policy wise for the reasons you outline. The full fledged embrace of and defense of who he is is what is highly disappointing.Houhusky said:
Is it?GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
Ive been told he is going to give them a supreme court justice that may overturn Roe v Wade, has limited Obamacare's reach into religious organizations, and stopped the IRS from targeting their non profit organizations.
Trump is objectively sucky at being a Christian, but as far as getting results he has got them the best results for them since Reagan.
Its a good thing that the Christian right has punted the football on intrapersonal moral judgements on individuals. Im not upset they aren't passing out scarlet letters anymore. The most vigorous defense of Trump's personal choices I have seen is to call him an imperfect vessel.
I would be wary of confusing defense of his personal choices, with defense of his politics, with politicking in general.
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As I was saying. This map is from 2014. Most of the schools that do teach it and there aren't very many are Charter and Private Schools where parents choose to send their kids.NorthwestFresh said:
Where is Creationism being taught in schools? It sure isn’t in Oregon.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I have a problem when they force kreationism into public school curriculum just like I have a problem with things like critical race theory and the garbage grifter Robin DiAngelo spewsSFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
My daughters sure know about Islam, though. Apparently that was such an important fictional tale to not tell them in middle school. I doubt they got to the part where Mohammad was hanging his 9 year-old wife, but who really knows?
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/01/creationism_in_public_schools_mapped_where_tax_money_supports_alternatives.html
It's a totally irrational fear. Now count the school districts in California that are pushing critical race theory and normalizing tran-sexuals and compare the two. And there is no choice component in the public schools in California. If you send your kid to public school they will be indoctrinated in both. -
I'm not talking about votesNorthwestFresh said:
It’s a head scratcher to you that far right Christians would vote for a pro-life candidate as opposed to a pro-abortion candidate? Hmm, thought you had more depth than that.mdnc said:
Not sure how underrated it is but it's still quite the head scratcher.GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
The one person on the record in this Stephen Glass Special is a convicted felon who lied to the court, but he’s telling the truth this time, he promised!
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I think he is full of shit if he feels that most of the GOP mock Christian Conservatives.GreenRiverGatorz said:
You've been here as long as you have and you think @dnc is an atheist liberal?SFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
It never ceases to amaze me how much time some people spend here and they still don't fucking get it. -
Good luck the rest of the way!SFGbob said:
I think he is full of shit if he feels that most of the GOP mock Christian Conservatives.GreenRiverGatorz said:
You've been here as long as you have and you think @dnc is an atheist liberal?SFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
It never ceases to amaze me how much time some people spend here and they still don't fucking get it. -
State of KansasNorthwestFresh said:
Where is Creationism being taught in schools? It sure isn’t in Oregon.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I have a problem when they force kreationism into public school curriculum just like I have a problem with things like critical race theory and the garbage grifter Robin DiAngelo spewsSFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
My daughters sure know about Islam, though. Apparently that was such an important fictional tale to not tell them in middle school. I doubt they got to the part where Mohammad was banging his 9 year-old wife, but who really knows? -
He said exactly that but I'm certain he appreciates your ass tonguing defense.HHusky said:
He didn't say that. blob's game in a nutshell.SFGbob said:
What do you base your claim on that most members of the GOP mock them?dnc said:
Hi there.SFGbob said:
If you "feel" that most members of the GOP mock the Christian right you're full of crap. Fear of the Religious Right is completely irrational given their ability to impact in anyway how you live your life. Now apply that same standard to the religious left.dnc said:
Not a liberal nor a religious bigot.SFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
Try again.
I'm not the least bit afraid of the Religious Right. I AM the Religious Right.
hth. -
Or, and crazy theory here, he is himself an evangelical living in the south who is intimately familiar with that community and truly holds those beliefs. It is in fact possible for people to genuinely hold point of views, in good faith, that you disagree with.SFGbob said:
I think he is full of shit if he feels that most of the GOP mock Christian Conservatives.GreenRiverGatorz said:
You've been here as long as you have and you think @dnc is an atheist liberal?SFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
It never ceases to amaze me how much time some people spend here and they still don't fucking get it.
But you view any disagreement or difference in beliefs as hostile warfare committed by someone with awful intentions, so I don't expect the above to resonate with you. -
I have a long record of mocking GOP establishment pussies like Kasisch, Jeb(!), McCain, Romney, Flake, and the disgruntled warmongering fags at the Lincoln Project.SFGbob said:
I think he is full of shit if he feels that most of the GOP mock Christian Conservatives.GreenRiverGatorz said:
You've been here as long as you have and you think @dnc is an atheist liberal?SFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
It never ceases to amaze me how much time some people spend here and they still don't fucking get it.
They have an impact on my family’s life via policy. Never give a thought to evangelicals as they don’t enter or impact my life in any meaningful way at all.
Different spiritual mentality than me for sure, completely different lifestyle, but other than voting for Trump, they don’t exist in my life so why mock them? I do see a lot of Democrats on Twitter going after Christians and mocking them. Read the Barrett sticky thread for some unhinged examples. Handmaiden Tale!! -
Unless something has changed since 2014 not according to this map.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
State of KansasNorthwestFresh said:
Where is Creationism being taught in schools? It sure isn’t in Oregon.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I have a problem when they force kreationism into public school curriculum just like I have a problem with things like critical race theory and the garbage grifter Robin DiAngelo spewsSFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
My daughters sure know about Islam, though. Apparently that was such an important fictional tale to not tell them in middle school. I doubt they got to the part where Mohammad was banging his 9 year-old wife, but who really knows?
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/01/creationism_in_public_schools_mapped_where_tax_money_supports_alternatives.html
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You're free to have whatever feelings you want. I just asked what he based those feelings on and he had nothing. But he did receive a sweet, sweet ass tonguing from the Dazzler so he has that.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Or, and crazy theory here, he is himself an evangelical living in the south who is intimately familiar with that community and truly holds those beliefs. It is in fact possible for people to genuinely hold point of views, in good faith, that you disagree with.SFGbob said:
I think he is full of shit if he feels that most of the GOP mock Christian Conservatives.GreenRiverGatorz said:
You've been here as long as you have and you think @dnc is an atheist liberal?SFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
It never ceases to amaze me how much time some people spend here and they still don't fucking get it.
But you view any disagreement or difference in beliefs as hostile warfare committed by someone with awful intentions, so I don't expect the above to resonate with you. -
The religious left has far, far more negative impact on my life than does the Religious Right. I can't think of a single way that the RR has any impact on my life.NorthwestFresh said:
I have a long record of mocking GOP establishment pussies like Kasisch, Jeb(!), McCain, Romney, Flake, and the disgruntled warmongering fags at the Lincoln Project.SFGbob said:
I think he is full of shit if he feels that most of the GOP mock Christian Conservatives.GreenRiverGatorz said:
You've been here as long as you have and you think @dnc is an atheist liberal?SFGbob said:
Most liberals feel most GOP feel that way because that's the way they feel about the evangelical right. As a non-religious Conservative I don't have any problem with the evangelical right.dnc said:Yeah this one's almost 100% true.
Most GOP feel the same way about the evangelical right.
Unlike you liberals and religious bigots I don't have an irrational fear about the Christian Right. I don't agree with them on every issue but unlike the Religious Left, the Religious Right isn't trying to force their religious beliefs onto me.
It never ceases to amaze me how much time some people spend here and they still don't fucking get it.
They have an impact on my family’s life via policy. Never give a thought to evangelicals as they don’t enter or impact my life in any meaningful way at all.
Different spiritual mentality than me for sure, completely different lifestyle, but other than voting for Trump, they don’t exist in my life so why mock them? I do see a lot of Democrats on Twitter going after Christians and mocking them. Read the Barrett sticky thread for some unhinged examples. Handmaiden Tale!! -
Your link doesn't work.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Btw, in public schools today which gets more emphasis. Creationism or that gender isn't binary and that you can choose your gender based upon how you feel? -
Remind me what the DNC platform is again?
Russia
Kids in cages
COVID
Trump’s Taxes
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crispedthechatch said:Remind me what the DNC platform is again?
Russia
Kids in cages
COVID
Trump’s Taxes
Defund the police
Empty the prisons
Is that about it?
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Is it? Irregardless of his personal integrity or religious zeal Trump policy and judge nominations are more or less in alignment with the values they hold.dnc said:
Not sure how underrated it is but it's still quite the head scratcher.GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
And then you look where the opposition stands...
What do they say about Biden and his racism? It's easy to tell the difference between an awkward ally and a real enemy? -
53 seconds...Houhusky said:
Is it?GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
Ive been told he is going to give them a supreme court justice that may overturn Roe v Wade, has limited Obamacare's reach into religious organizations, and stopped the IRS from targeting their non profit organizations.
Trump is objectively sucky at being a Christian, but as far as getting results he has got them the best results for them since Reagan. -
People try way too hard. I don't think @dnc is trying to separate Trump from his base but the DNC is and their hysteria over evangelicals telling the left to fuck off as they go home with Trump at closing time is amusing to no end to meHouhusky said:
Is it?GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
Ive been told he is going to give them a supreme court justice that may overturn Roe v Wade, has limited Obamacare's reach into religious organizations, and stopped the IRS from targeting their non profit organizations.
Trump is objectively sucky at being a Christian, but as far as getting results he has got them the best results for them since Reagan.
Which candidate lines up best in policy in what is important to me
Its fucking science people
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Its a campaigndnc said:
I don't have a problem with the religious right voting for Trump or appreciating what Trump has done policy wise for the reasons you outline. The full fledged embrace of and defense of who he is is what is highly disappointing.Houhusky said:
Is it?GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
Ive been told he is going to give them a supreme court justice that may overturn Roe v Wade, has limited Obamacare's reach into religious organizations, and stopped the IRS from targeting their non profit organizations.
Trump is objectively sucky at being a Christian, but as far as getting results he has got them the best results for them since Reagan.
That's all it is
There is no big difference between a Trump voter and a Biden voter other than IQ -
As I said above.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is it? Irregardless of his personal integrity or religious zeal Trump policy and judge nominations are more or less in alignment with the values they hold.dnc said:
Not sure how underrated it is but it's still quite the head scratcher.GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
And then you look where the opposition stands...
What do they say about Biden and his racism? It's easy to tell the difference between an awkward ally and a real enemy?
I don't have a problem with the religious right voting for Trump or appreciating what Trump has done policy wise for the reasons you outline. The full fledged embrace of and defense of who he is is what is highly disappointing.
I didn't vote for him in 2016 but I'm close to voting for him in 2020. I completely understand not voting for Hillary or Biden, things I haven't done and won't do myself.
It's not about the vote and it's not just about the campaign, it's about the Trump worship for the last 5 years. -
dnc said:
As I said above.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is it? Irregardless of his personal integrity or religious zeal Trump policy and judge nominations are more or less in alignment with the values they hold.dnc said:
Not sure how underrated it is but it's still quite the head scratcher.GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
And then you look where the opposition stands...
What do they say about Biden and his racism? It's easy to tell the difference between an awkward ally and a real enemy?
I don't have a problem with the religious right voting for Trump or appreciating what Trump has done policy wise for the reasons you outline. The full fledged embrace of and defense of who he is is what is highly disappointing.
I didn't vote for him in 2016 but I'm close to voting for him in 2020. I completely understand not voting for Hillary or Biden, things I haven't done and won't do myself.
It's not about the vote and it's not just about the campaign, it's about the Trump worship for the last 5 years.
Trump worship for 5 years = defending Trump against a fake special prosecutor and fake impeachment and fake article after article
What do you expect? Nobody worships Trump. Just more of the attempt to make a Trump voter an OTHER
You want to see worship go back to election night 2016 and hillary voters -
KRaceBannon said:dnc said:
As I said above.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is it? Irregardless of his personal integrity or religious zeal Trump policy and judge nominations are more or less in alignment with the values they hold.dnc said:
Not sure how underrated it is but it's still quite the head scratcher.GrundleStiltzkin said:Evangelicals enthusiastically hitching to Trump is underrated political hypocrisy.
And then you look where the opposition stands...
What do they say about Biden and his racism? It's easy to tell the difference between an awkward ally and a real enemy?
I don't have a problem with the religious right voting for Trump or appreciating what Trump has done policy wise for the reasons you outline. The full fledged embrace of and defense of who he is is what is highly disappointing.
I didn't vote for him in 2016 but I'm close to voting for him in 2020. I completely understand not voting for Hillary or Biden, things I haven't done and won't do myself.
It's not about the vote and it's not just about the campaign, it's about the Trump worship for the last 5 years.
Trump worship for 5 years = defending Trump against a fake special prosecutor and fake impeachment and fake article after article
What do you expect? Nobody worships Trump. Just more of the attempt to make a Trump voter an OTHER
You want to see worship go back to election night 2016 and hillary voters -
I don't know. The leftards have been hard at work pushing their nonsense lately. My point is both extremes shouldn't be pushed on kids.SFGbob said:
Your link doesn't work.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Btw, in public schools today which gets more emphasis. Creationism or that gender isn't binary and that you can choose your gender based upon how you feel?
