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  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,300 Standard Supporter

    Great post. I especially find interesting the subtle stuff. Similar things can be applied to other groups. There was some study or book out a few years ago that went over all the subtle factors that could affect kids' lives. One area was names, whether applied to white, brown or black kids.

    The gist of it was, if you don't care one way or the other, give your kid a traditional English/Protestant/Catholic/Western Euro name and avoid, at all costs, ethnic, "foreign-sounding" or "exotic" names. So, you know, avoid Cedric, Juan Pablo, Maria, Rosa, Kiara, Jada, etc. Avoid stripper names, Ariana, Desiree, Misty, Skyla, Jasmine, etc. As well avoid like the plague the myriad made-up names or the made-up spelling of names. So if you want to name your daughter "Jordan", avoid "Jordyn" and similar derivatives. Avoid, also the completely random "WTF?" names, like "Golden". The point? People, consciously or otherwise, take you less seriously if you have one of those names.

    When my Dad graduated from his MBA program in Evanston, Illinois, he had a thought about staying in Chicago. At that time, even with a Northwestern MBA in his hands, a lot of doors were not open for him in Chi Town. His name, incidentally, is quintessentially Hispanic. So, absolute fluency in two languages, former Divsion 1 athlete, tippy top MBA and he found his opportunities were more abundant the closer he got to real Hispanic population centers. It's just the way it was. Don't kid yourself. Most of the white shoe Wall Street lawfirms have a history that relates to the religion you had to be to get in. Skadden Arps was founded by Jewish lawyers who focused on bankruptcy, because that was the "low brow" work Jew laywers could get, and the old money law firms didn't hire Jews. Ask anybody there; it's no secret. So nobody was openly hostile to the old man - not to his face at least. Everybody was polite and nice. But getting those tippy top analyst positions with the big names wasn't going to happen for him there. New York was better, so that's where he went, though in the early 70s that was a lot of work too.

    The point of my piling on to this is that there is, and probably always will be, below-the-surface dynamics at play when people interact. Some of it's logical; a lot of it isn't.

    One of my problems with this is Skadden Arps was founded in 1948. It isn't 1948 anymore. Same with your dad, it isn't decades ago. If you can't see the massive amount of progress this country has made in racial equality since pick one - Jim Crow, 1948 or when your dad graduated then you are having to use a backwards focus to make racial points about where we are at today. That doesn't mean anything is perfect, but it was getting better.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    MelloDawg said:

    So far, so good. The Sounders app has some great content from the historical MLS Cup runs, updates on training. They’ve been great!
    Do you get on Zoom with the Sound Wave and play while watching on the app?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    One of my problems with this is Skadden Arps was founded in 1948. It isn't 1948 anymore. Same with your dad, it isn't decades ago. If you can't see the massive amount of progress this country has made in racial equality since pick one - Jim Crow, 1948 or when your dad graduated then you are having to use a backwards focus to make racial points about where we are at today. That doesn't mean anything is perfect, but it was getting better.
    In America today your dad would have every single top law firm in the country fighting over him trying to give him a job.
  • DodgyBlokeDodgyBloke Member Posts: 957

    Nodding along until there. I don't know what that means.
    All I meant there was in terms of the difference between say "All lives matter" and "Black lives matter" we say they matter equally but one doesn't with systemic racism and that is why we are seeing what we are seeing.
  • DodgyBlokeDodgyBloke Member Posts: 957
    Privilege is learning about racism rather than growing up experiencing it
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Privilege is learning about racism rather than growing up experiencing it

    Between 2012 and 2015, blacks committed 85.5 percent of all black-white interracial violent victimizations (excluding interracial homicide, which is also disproportionately black-on-white). That works out to 540,360 felonious assaults on whites. Whites committed 14.4 percent of all interracial violent victimization, or 91,470 felonious assaults on blacks. Blacks are less than 13 percent of the national population.

    Any of these victims experiencing racism?
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    SFGbob said:

    In America today your dad would have every single top law firm in the country fighting over him trying to give him a job.
    As most big schools and government agencies Now have huge Diversity Departments with massive budgets and with mmanh big companies are adding them, it’s a great time to be a minority with some skills. Given the choice between an equally qualified white male vs a minority, the edge is differently to then minority in 2020.

    That said, we now have a Diveristy Industrial Complex. There is no way things will get “better”. Oh, things will improve as they have improved dramatically for many years, but the goal posts will be moved and every grievance that isn’t even on the radar today will become a massive problem to be tackled in the future. It won’t stop.

    Same with homelessness. What are the odds homelessness will ever be improved in Portland now that they are collecting their 4th and largest tax to deal with it. $250m a year. That won’t just be stopped one day because it was successful in reducing homelessness. In fact, in time it will be deemed woefully inadequate.
  • DodgyBlokeDodgyBloke Member Posts: 957
    SFGbob said:

    So is this white privilege?

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/
    Ive seen the footage and it saddens me. Beating anyone like that they should be tried fairly. Anyone would be a hypocrite to call justice for floyd but turn around and make excuses for that group getting off the hook. Also this video has nothing to do with the comment being made about privilege you're clearly posting something that has an agenda to it. Would you like me to post the George Floyd video? Or the women in central park? Or maybe the names and cases of countless white teens who shoot up a school and get off with "mental illness", while people of color can have a check bounced and be suffocated to death on the side-walk or maybe these are the videos you meant to post. Anyone who can take another life no matter the race should be prosecuted that's not what this discussion is about. The discussion is privilege and systemic racism.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Ive seen the footage and it saddens me. Beating anyone like that they should be tried fairly. Anyone would be a hypocrite to call justice for floyd but turn around and make excuses for that group getting off the hook. Also this video has nothing to do with the comment being made about privilege you're clearly posting something that has an agenda to it. Would you like me to post the George Floyd video? Or the women in central park? Or maybe the names and cases of countless white teens who shoot up a school and get off with "mental illness", while people of color can have a check bounced and be suffocated to death on the side-walk or maybe these are the videos you meant to post. Anyone who can take another life no matter the race should be prosecuted that's not what this discussion is about. The discussion is privilege and systemic racism.
    What white teens have shot up a school and gotten off with mental illness, that weren't really mentally ill? My only "agenda" is that one story nobody ever heard of and the other is now causing national protests.

    Plenty of white folks are killed by the police in very similar circumstances to the Floyd murder and yet this white "privilege" that we hear about conveniently never applies to them.

  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Ive seen the footage and it saddens me. Beating anyone like that they should be tried fairly. Anyone would be a hypocrite to call justice for floyd but turn around and make excuses for that group getting off the hook. Also this video has nothing to do with the comment being made about privilege you're clearly posting something that has an agenda to it. Would you like me to post the George Floyd video? Or the women in central park? Or maybe the names and cases of countless white teens who shoot up a school and get off with "mental illness", while people of color can have a check bounced and be suffocated to death on the side-walk or maybe these are the videos you meant to post. Anyone who can take another life no matter the race should be prosecuted that's not what this discussion is about. The discussion is privilege and systemic racism.
    There are countless cases of white teens shooting up schools and getting released because of mental illness?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    There are countless cases of white teens shooting up schools and getting released because of mental illness?
    I can see the future, want to see? That line of bullshit will never be supported.
  • DodgyBlokeDodgyBloke Member Posts: 957

    There are countless cases of white teens shooting up schools and getting released because of mental illness?

    Look up any mass shooting from 2000-2019 white male gets tried and charged but labeled as having a mental illness and will receive treatment instead of Jail for life or the death penalty. That is what I am saying its the court trials and outcomes. If you replace those white teens who did mass shootings and make them african american do you think they will be labeled off with Mental Illness and be given treatment for it?
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,020 Standard Supporter
    @MelloDawg wrote: But white people....

    Not only is that old, tired, trite and lame, you should know that you're on the short list of candidates to replace Hondo, by quickly gaining on @HHusky.

    Up your game, dude. This isn't High School. Stop being such a twit.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,020 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:


    You're entitled to your own opinion you're not entitled to your own facts.

    What part is not factual, Bob?
  • DodgyBlokeDodgyBloke Member Posts: 957

    What white teens have shot up a school and gotten off with mental illness, that weren't really mentally ill? My only "agenda" is that one story nobody ever heard of and the other is now causing national protests.

    Plenty of white folks are killed by the police in very similar circumstances to the Floyd murder and yet this white "privilege" that we hear about conveniently never applies to them.



    Its also a Police Brutality protest that's why they are being filmed so much, all eyes are on them. Not all are bad but the bad ones need to go.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,020 Standard Supporter
    edited June 2020

    Trayvon wasn't killed because of white privilege or stalking. He died because he was a POS using extreme force on what he thought was a helpless victim. Zimmerman was free to follow whomever he wanted in his neighborhood. Trayvon was made to feel special and hadn't had to face the consequences of prior crimes. Trademark came back after making it home to look for Zimmerman.

    Extreme force = Hands.

    Helpless Victim = Armed with a Gun.

    Jesus Christ. I've seen it all.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited June 2020


    There are countless cases of white teens shooting up schools and getting released because of mental illness?

    Look up any mass shooting from 2000-2019 white male gets tried and charged but labeled as having a mental illness and will receive treatment instead of Jail for life or the death penalty. That is what I am saying its the court trials and outcomes. If you replace those white teens who did mass shootings and make them african american do you think they will be labeled off with Mental Illness and be given treatment for it?

    First of all the overwhelming majority of all school shooters are either killed during the shooting or commit suicide. The Florida school shooter is still awaiting trial in prison not a mental hospital.

    Kip Kinkel is in prison for the rest of his life, not a mental institution. You're full of shit.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781


    There are countless cases of white teens shooting up schools and getting released because of mental illness?

    Look up any mass shooting from 2000-2019 white male gets tried and charged but labeled as having a mental illness and will receive treatment instead of Jail for life or the death penalty. That is what I am saying its the court trials and outcomes. If you replace those white teens who did mass shootings and make them african american do you think they will be labeled off with Mental Illness and be given treatment for it?

    I know of one case of the all the incidents. Can you help? Should be easy to find if there are countless cases.
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,781 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    Between 2012 and 2015, blacks committed 85.5 percent of all black-white interracial violent victimizations (excluding interracial homicide, which is also disproportionately black-on-white). That works out to 540,360 felonious assaults on whites. Whites committed 14.4 percent of all interracial violent victimization, or 91,470 felonious assaults on blacks. Blacks are less than 13 percent of the national population.

    Any of these victims experiencing racism?
    What 6 page thread would be complete with out a 'quit palgarism my shit, fucko' ?

    https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/72572/ny-post-article-on-black-on-black-crime#latest
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,020 Standard Supporter

    Privilege is learning about racism rather than growing up experiencing it

    Disagree. Quick Question: Do you believe blacks CAN'T be racist because they lack power?
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