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Andrew Yang pulls out a shotgun
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Yang2020 is a run I can get behind
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Yang is quietly moving up by not being insane or deranged by Trump
Pretty sure this week's milk carton debates will be filled with Baltimore isn't a shit hole and defending the Squad which is just how Trump wants it
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I really like Yang. The only problem with him is that in this day in age in politics he doesn’t really stand out because he is normal. I hope he can make a run though.
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Yang uses his relatively low air time to wisely avoid chiming in on all the other liberal value tests that the mainstream candidates are taking part in. And he actually focus on the economy, stupid.
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Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A. -
Do you take issue with any of the "common sense" measures he's proposing, or is it specifically the tier 3 rules that bother you?GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A. -
Tier 3 is unspecific, what are "advanced" weapons if not already covered under the NFA? Overall I just think he's full of shit on this privacy stuff, while then also making this area of civil rights exercise subject to federal inspection of personal property.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Do you take issue with any of the "common sense" measures he's proposing, or is it specifically the tier 3 rules that bother you?GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A.
And this:
Be grandfathered in with their current license, and for the 1-year requirement if they decide to apply for a Tier 2 license
There are no federal licenses "basic hunting rifles & handguns," nor even the scary semiauto guns, thus no current licenses to honor. This also seems to leave open confiscation of existing, legally owned firearms.
Receive a one-time “Good Gun Owner” tax credit for adhering to the additional requirements implemented by the new system
Fuck off, that's just insulting. The vast, vasty majority are, and we! don't need your gold sticker.
Be allowed to register any currently unregistered firearm without facing any penalties.
Uh, thanks? Again, this doesn't seem to demonstrate an understanding of how things currently work at the federal level.
I don't think firearms rights and control are a major issue for his campaign, because there doesn't appear to be much understanding of the legal and constitutional realities as they currently exist, e.g., "think a CDL vs. a regular driver’s license."
I get the interest with Yang, particularly from the personality standpoint. Not prone to hysterics, measured, etc. The more I look at what he's proposing, beyond the UBI thing, it's a weird mix of technocratic management with an equal fear of technology.
Oh and this:
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/local-journalism-fund/
More state media, lovely. -
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Imagine being scare of a little Asian man.WilburHooksHands said:*Corso voice* Not so fast my friend!
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Yang is a nut, but the DNC trying to hide him is pure comedy gold...
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Yang is the type of policy wonk the left needs. He should be a part of the conversation just to drive some decent ideas into the currently barren landscape of the Dems current platform of "Not Trump". I look forward to him being sacrificed and discarded on the monument to social justice value signalling instead.
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I follow @pat_hm on twitter and he's a Yang guy
He does have ideas - some good some not so much but it is a welcome change from the deranged idiots we have here -
Far from a nut.HoustonHusky said:Yang is a nut, but the DNC trying to hide him is pure comedy gold...
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@ThomasFremontGrundleStiltzkin said:
Tier 3 is unspecific, what are "advanced" weapons if not already covered under the NFA? Overall I just think he's full of shit on this privacy stuff, while then also making this area of civil rights exercise subject to federal inspection of personal property.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Do you take issue with any of the "common sense" measures he's proposing, or is it specifically the tier 3 rules that bother you?GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A.
And this:
Be grandfathered in with their current license, and for the 1-year requirement if they decide to apply for a Tier 2 license
There are no federal licenses "basic hunting rifles & handguns," nor even the scary semiauto guns, thus no current licenses to honor. This also seems to leave open confiscation of existing, legally owned firearms.
Receive a one-time “Good Gun Owner” tax credit for adhering to the additional requirements implemented by the new system
Fuck off, that's just insulting. The vast, vasty majority are, and we! don't need your gold sticker.
Be allowed to register any currently unregistered firearm without facing any penalties.
Uh, thanks? Again, this doesn't seem to demonstrate an understanding of how things currently work at the federal level.
I don't think firearms rights and control are a major issue for his campaign, because there doesn't appear to be much understanding of the legal and constitutional realities as they currently exist, e.g., "think a CDL vs. a regular driver’s license."
I get the interest with Yang, particularly from the personality standpoint. Not prone to hysterics, measured, etc. The more I look at what he's proposing, beyond the UBI thing, it's a weird mix of technocratic management with an equal fear of technology.
Oh and this:
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/local-journalism-fund/
More state media, lovely. -
Your photographic memory and recall of old threads is sort of scary. Are you a Terminator?GrundleStiltzkin said:
@ThomasFremontGrundleStiltzkin said:
Tier 3 is unspecific, what are "advanced" weapons if not already covered under the NFA? Overall I just think he's full of shit on this privacy stuff, while then also making this area of civil rights exercise subject to federal inspection of personal property.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Do you take issue with any of the "common sense" measures he's proposing, or is it specifically the tier 3 rules that bother you?GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A.
And this:
Be grandfathered in with their current license, and for the 1-year requirement if they decide to apply for a Tier 2 license
There are no federal licenses "basic hunting rifles & handguns," nor even the scary semiauto guns, thus no current licenses to honor. This also seems to leave open confiscation of existing, legally owned firearms.
Receive a one-time “Good Gun Owner” tax credit for adhering to the additional requirements implemented by the new system
Fuck off, that's just insulting. The vast, vasty majority are, and we! don't need your gold sticker.
Be allowed to register any currently unregistered firearm without facing any penalties.
Uh, thanks? Again, this doesn't seem to demonstrate an understanding of how things currently work at the federal level.
I don't think firearms rights and control are a major issue for his campaign, because there doesn't appear to be much understanding of the legal and constitutional realities as they currently exist, e.g., "think a CDL vs. a regular driver’s license."
I get the interest with Yang, particularly from the personality standpoint. Not prone to hysterics, measured, etc. The more I look at what he's proposing, beyond the UBI thing, it's a weird mix of technocratic management with an equal fear of technology.
Oh and this:
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/local-journalism-fund/
More state media, lovely.
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Swaye said:
Your photographic memory and recall of old threads is sort of scary. Are you a Terminator?GrundleStiltzkin said:
@ThomasFremontGrundleStiltzkin said:
Tier 3 is unspecific, what are "advanced" weapons if not already covered under the NFA? Overall I just think he's full of shit on this privacy stuff, while then also making this area of civil rights exercise subject to federal inspection of personal property.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Do you take issue with any of the "common sense" measures he's proposing, or is it specifically the tier 3 rules that bother you?GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A.
And this:
Be grandfathered in with their current license, and for the 1-year requirement if they decide to apply for a Tier 2 license
There are no federal licenses "basic hunting rifles & handguns," nor even the scary semiauto guns, thus no current licenses to honor. This also seems to leave open confiscation of existing, legally owned firearms.
Receive a one-time “Good Gun Owner” tax credit for adhering to the additional requirements implemented by the new system
Fuck off, that's just insulting. The vast, vasty majority are, and we! don't need your gold sticker.
Be allowed to register any currently unregistered firearm without facing any penalties.
Uh, thanks? Again, this doesn't seem to demonstrate an understanding of how things currently work at the federal level.
I don't think firearms rights and control are a major issue for his campaign, because there doesn't appear to be much understanding of the legal and constitutional realities as they currently exist, e.g., "think a CDL vs. a regular driver’s license."
I get the interest with Yang, particularly from the personality standpoint. Not prone to hysterics, measured, etc. The more I look at what he's proposing, beyond the UBI thing, it's a weird mix of technocratic management with an equal fear of technology.
Oh and this:
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/local-journalism-fund/
More state media, lovely.
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Obama talked TUFF on guns to and literally did nothing. Gun control is not gonna happen. The amount of political capital it would take to fight that fight would be insane. And potentially end in total failure. 2A has bipartisan support.
Besides, his main issue is the economy. I doubt gun legislation is even in his top 25 policy wish list. -
2A shouldn't be the primary issue to vote on. No one's coming for your guns and you can't find me 38 state legislatures ready to amend the Constitution. American's love their guns and they are here to stay.GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A. -
So what you're saying is, Yang's policy statements aren't to be trusted at face value.ThomasFremont said:Obama talked TUFF on guns to and literally did nothing. Gun control is not gonna happen. The amount of political capital it would take to fight that fight would be insane. And potentially end in total failure. 2A has bipartisan support.
Besides, his main issue is the economy. I doubt gun legislation is even in his top 25 policy wish list. -
I agree, which is why I’m trying to convince people that like him but disqualify him on that single issue to reconsider.YellowSnow said:
2A shouldn't be the primary issue to vote on. No one's coming for your guns and you can't find me 38 state legislatures ready to amend the Constitution. American's love their guns and they are here to stay.GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A. -
No BoR issue should be the primary to vote on. They should all be sacrosanct. However, 2A is the one most openly and directly attacked, followed by 1A and 4A.YellowSnow said:
2A shouldn't be the primary issue to vote on. No one's coming for your guns and you can't find me 38 state legislatures ready to amend the Constitution. American's love their guns and they are here to stay.GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A.
As I've said, you want to make substantive changes to legal gun ownership, do it honestly and propose an amendment to alter. Eroding it piecemeal is not good, not just for 2A but for the Constitution and civil rights broadly. -
I like my civil rights, and I'd like to keep them.ThomasFremont said:
I agree, which is why I’m trying to convince people that like him but disqualify him on that single issue to reconsider.YellowSnow said:
2A shouldn't be the primary issue to vote on. No one's coming for your guns and you can't find me 38 state legislatures ready to amend the Constitution. American's love their guns and they are here to stay.GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A. -
Me too. He has a stated position in everything. But has anything he’s said indicated that this is a priority for him?GrundleStiltzkin said:
I like my civil rights, and I'd like to keep them.ThomasFremont said:
I agree, which is why I’m trying to convince people that like him but disqualify him on that single issue to reconsider.YellowSnow said:
2A shouldn't be the primary issue to vote on. No one's coming for your guns and you can't find me 38 state legislatures ready to amend the Constitution. American's love their guns and they are here to stay.GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A.
I mean, even with total control of Congress, we’ve had 3 straight admins struggle to get ONE major change through. For him it’s UBI. Not guns. Beto is proof that being an anti-gun nut isn’t viable. -
It's important enough to have a lengthy policy statement on his campaign site. I mean, yeah, I don't think it's important to him either. But I've learned not to trust politicians on things important to me, especially when they have a public position contrary to my values.ThomasFremont said:
Me too. He has a stated position in everything. But has anything he’s said indicated that this is a priority for him?GrundleStiltzkin said:
I like my civil rights, and I'd like to keep them.ThomasFremont said:
I agree, which is why I’m trying to convince people that like him but disqualify him on that single issue to reconsider.YellowSnow said:
2A shouldn't be the primary issue to vote on. No one's coming for your guns and you can't find me 38 state legislatures ready to amend the Constitution. American's love their guns and they are here to stay.GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A.
I mean, even with total control of Congress, we’ve had 3 straight admins struggle to get ONE major change through. For him it’s UBI. Not guns. Beto is proof that being an anti-gun nut isn’t viable.
All meaningless, of course. Yang's going nowhere in this race, which is too bad. -
I've been hearing recently that protecting the constitution is vital
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Don't disagree. I just don't stress about it as much as my HH 2A bros. I am convinced there would be a major armed insurrection if the federales seriously tried to come for guns.GrundleStiltzkin said:
No BoR issue should be the primary to vote on. They should all be sacrosanct. However, 2A is the one most openly and directly attacked, followed by 1A and 4A.YellowSnow said:
2A shouldn't be the primary issue to vote on. No one's coming for your guns and you can't find me 38 state legislatures ready to amend the Constitution. American's love their guns and they are here to stay.GrundleStiltzkin said:Sorry Yang.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/
Talks a strong game in privacy, data collection, etc in other areas. Not so much with lawful exercise of 2A.
As I've said, you want to make substantive changes to legal gun ownership, do it honestly and propose an amendment to alter. Eroding it piecemeal is not good, not just for 2A but for the Constitution and civil rights broadly. -
Trump's unwitting legacy, in my book, is exposing real hypocrisies and reversals on both sides.RaceBannon said:I've been hearing recently that protecting the constitution is vital
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He should be impeached for thatGrundleStiltzkin said:
Trump's unwitting legacy, in my book, is exposing real hypocrisies and reversals on both sides.RaceBannon said:I've been hearing recently that protecting the constitution is vital
I'm not a single issue guy and don't own guns but candidates that devote that much time to getting rid of our rights don't get my vote
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Yet they all say they'll ban everything. I take them at their word. You'd vote for someone if he said he's going to jail all democrats if you liked him.ThomasFremont said:Obama talked TUFF on guns to and literally did nothing. Gun control is not gonna happen. The amount of political capital it would take to fight that fight would be insane. And potentially end in total failure. 2A has bipartisan support.
Besides, his main issue is the economy. I doubt gun legislation is even in his top 25 policy wish list.
