Texas Recruiting - WAM Appetizer

dnc said:

Tequilla said:

The question always comes down to what the cost is

The argument against recruiting Texas is that we can be doing better in California. But who in California are we really missing on?

I get all the arguments but the reality is that culture and fit matter a lot to this staff. Those that receive what we are about will gravitate towards us. Those that don’t wont.

Ultimately the key in Texas is gaining traction. Getting a player like Levi is huge. As the Texas players on our roster produce and get to the league our reputation will only further grow there.

Until there’s tangible evidence that our efforts in Texas are wasted, then it’s a worthwhile INVESTMENT for the program to make if they deem that they have the resources to devote to it

Justin Flowe, Elias Ricks, Clark Phillips, Kendall Milton, Jordan Banks...

You can put the time and effort into situations but that doesn’t mean it’s valuable time

Flower by all outward appearances wasn’t interested in us

Ricks is all about the SEC

Milton likewise thought the grass was greener elsewhere

Jordan Banks still is an outstanding item

This idea that you’re going to get everything you target is insanely flawed

FremontTroll said:

whuggy said:

FremontTroll said:

whuggy said:

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

No, I just totally disagree with it. We aren't employing basement dwelling keyboard jockeys who are somewhere on the spectrum.

These guys all know how to relate to players. Some better than others and yes some are killer closers and some aren't but recruiting these kids and their families is largely about putting the time in and forming relationships.

Some coaches love the pursuit and get after it all day every day. Some view it as secondary to the actual coaching part of the job.

If you don't love recruiting then applying your time efficiently is absolutely crucial.

Ok then. Here's my final question for you. Whoever was recruiting Botelho, Herbig and Flowe, I don't know if it was K or Gregory or both. Do you honestly feel an extra visit that they lost by going to Texas was the difference in not getting those kids much less even get them to visit?

FremontTroll said:

whuggy said:

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

whuggy said:

FremontTroll said:

whuggy said:

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

I think you're both right. The main problem is bad recruiters. If we had a full staff of recruiters we could recruit Texas and the West fairly easily.

But since we don't, prioritizing Texas enables our bad recruiters and doesn't address the issue. The bad recruiters fail in California and settle for someone in Texas they convince themselves is good.

And again my biggest problem is that Will Harris should be running point on every kid from LA and any other use of him doesn't really make sense.

FremontTroll said:

StrongArmCobra said:

There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas. So who gives a fuck? We would not have had a better chance at getting Justin Flowe or Elias Ricks or whoever the fuck you think we could have gotten had we not recruited Texas at all this class. Some West coast kids are just not coming here no matter what. Even when UW wins a national title, there will still be a few elite West coast kids that don't want to come here.

If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.

Plus, Texas kids just know how to play the game because the high school coaching down there is really good. We haven't had any Texas busts on this roster. They have played major roles already (Fuller and Onwuzurike) or will very soon (Curne the #2 RG and Rice the #2 Buck).

LOL sure in Ballz' fantasy reality where we never miss on kids then of course you can be 100% certain we wouldn't have better results in a different hypothetical universe.

What might be even more unbelievable is you are using a sample size of 6 players, 2 of which have actually played, to say that Texas kids "just know how to play the game" so they won't be busts.

Fuller: Starter
Onwuzurike: Starter
Rice: 2-deep this season
Curne: 2-deep this season

You don't count guys who aren't even on campus yet. That's four guys who are all either starters, will be starters in the near future, and a quality rotational guy in Myles Rice who has made a big jump in his skill set and will make plays this season. We don't have any busts from Texas.

Houhusky said:

Glad you could bring the AIDS to what is a decent thread.

StrongArmCobra said:

There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.

Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.

StrongArmCobra said:

If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.

"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?

Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.

Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.

And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.