Texas Recruiting - WAM Appetizer
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I can recall pulling players out of fucking Florida which is way more out of our footprint than Texas. Rich Alexis, John Andersen and the very highly recruited receiver whose name escapes me were all far less likely to come north than a Texas kid. And they were all very good contributors to the team. If you never make the effort you never get the results. No one is saying spend a huge chunk of time in Texas or anywhere else outside the footprint. 5% of your time for 5% of your class seems very reasonable to me. I'd be thrilled with a Victor Curne, Levi level talent every year. Cooper McDonald not as much.
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Bingo.ntxduck said:UW (or any Pac 12 team except USC when they are not shit) isn't going to be beat Texas, Aggie, or OU for top Texas kids. But that doesn't mean it isn't worth recruiting. There is so much talent in Texas that there are a ton of kids who fly under the radar. UW has excellent coaches--the best in the conference (IMHO) who can identify that type of talent. That is why they are in Texas.
The 2 best Texas kids chip pulled out of Oregon (LMJ and Huff) had offers from Minnesota/TCU (LMJ) and Buffalo/Colorado (Huff). -
Sure, but that is not the case. The problem is they have to spend a hugely disproportionate amount of time in Texas because their returns are much lower there.whuggy said:I can recall pulling players out of fucking Florida which is way more out of our footprint than Texas. Rich Alexis, John Andersen and the very highly recruited receiver whose name escapes me were all far less likely to come north than a Texas kid. And they were all very good contributors to the team. If you never make the effort you never get the results. No one is saying spend a huge chunk of time in Texas or anywhere else outside the footprint. 5% of your time for 5% of your class seems very reasonable to me. I'd be thrilled with a Victor Curne, Levi level talent every year. Cooper McDonald not as much.
This will change over time but right now 12/70 2020 offers are to Texas/Oklahoma kids and 12/32 2021 offers.
Beyond the time invested in scouting these kids and developing relationships with them look at the time spent on flights to and from Texas. I don't have stats on that but back in the spring when husky football twitter was doing there where are the coaches going this week thing there were always multiple coaches going to Texas. -
Well I don't know how else to explain it other than the staff feels the time spent there is worth the payoff. I assume Petersen who is a pretty analytical nuts and bolts type would recognize the risk and reward ratio to Texas recruiting. I really would like someone to definitely prove to me which elite California kids we missed on this year due to not spending enough time in Cali. I think it's way more a function of the coach recruiting them that caused the disinterest rather than lack of face time.FremontTroll said:
Sure, but that is not the case. The problem is they have to spend a hugely disproportionate amount of time in Texas because their returns are much lower there.whuggy said:I can recall pulling players out of fucking Florida which is way more out of our footprint than Texas. Rich Alexis, John Andersen and the very highly recruited receiver whose name escapes me were all far less likely to come north than a Texas kid. And they were all very good contributors to the team. If you never make the effort you never get the results. No one is saying spend a huge chunk of time in Texas or anywhere else outside the footprint. 5% of your time for 5% of your class seems very reasonable to me. I'd be thrilled with a Victor Curne, Levi level talent every year. Cooper McDonald not as much.
This will change over time but right now 12/70 2020 offers are to Texas/Oklahoma kids and 12/32 2021 offers.
Beyond the time invested in scouting these kids and developing relationships with them look at the time spent on flights to and from Texas. I don't have stats on that but back in the spring when husky football twitter was doing there where are the coaches going this week thing there were always multiple coaches going to Texas. -
And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.
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No one will ever be able to definitely prove that. There are a massive number of variables in recruiting. No one can say definitely "if we had spent more time recruiting recruit X he would have come here". We can theorize and speculate but never prove anything definitely.whuggy said:
Well I don't know how else to explain it other than the staff feels the time spent there is worth the payoff. I assume Petersen who is a pretty analytical nuts and bolts type would recognize the risk and reward ratio to Texas recruiting. I really would like someone to definitely prove to me which elite California kids we missed on this year due to not spending enough time in Cali. I think it's way more a function of the coach recruiting them that caused the disinterest rather than lack of face time.FremontTroll said:
Sure, but that is not the case. The problem is they have to spend a hugely disproportionate amount of time in Texas because their returns are much lower there.whuggy said:I can recall pulling players out of fucking Florida which is way more out of our footprint than Texas. Rich Alexis, John Andersen and the very highly recruited receiver whose name escapes me were all far less likely to come north than a Texas kid. And they were all very good contributors to the team. If you never make the effort you never get the results. No one is saying spend a huge chunk of time in Texas or anywhere else outside the footprint. 5% of your time for 5% of your class seems very reasonable to me. I'd be thrilled with a Victor Curne, Levi level talent every year. Cooper McDonald not as much.
This will change over time but right now 12/70 2020 offers are to Texas/Oklahoma kids and 12/32 2021 offers.
Beyond the time invested in scouting these kids and developing relationships with them look at the time spent on flights to and from Texas. I don't have stats on that but back in the spring when husky football twitter was doing there where are the coaches going this week thing there were always multiple coaches going to Texas.
All any of this is is theory. But the theory that "time spent recruiting someone increases your likelihood of getting them" is pretty well accepted. -
So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.whuggy said:And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.
But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?
I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.
Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?
At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases. -
You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.FremontTroll said:
So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.whuggy said:And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.
But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?
I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.
Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?
At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.
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No, I just totally disagree with it. We aren't employing basement dwelling keyboard jockeys who are somewhere on the spectrum.whuggy said:
You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.FremontTroll said:
So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.whuggy said:And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.
But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?
I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.
Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?
At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.
These guys all know how to relate to players. Some better than others and yes some are killer closers and some aren't but recruiting these kids and their families is largely about putting the time in and forming relationships.
Some coaches love the pursuit and get after it all day every day. Some view it as secondary to the actual coaching part of the job.
If you don't love recruiting then applying your time efficiently is absolutely crucial. -
2) There's little opportunity cost to us recruiting Texas. We might as well do it.whuggy said:
You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.FremontTroll said:
So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.whuggy said:And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.
But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?
I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.
Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?
At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.
This is a hilariously bad take. Are recruiting schedules intense? Are coaches' times valuable? If the answer to either of questions is "no" then fucking fire the coach. Every trip taken to Texas is a trip not taken to Utah, Arizona, California, Oregon, etc. and often times because of the distance is worth two of the others.
Kwat is the only one who obv gets a pass. Still, he should be developing relationships in our footprint so he can have a better shot.
We keep sending Will Fucking Harris to Texas who has natural ties to SoCal.
