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Those guys all suck. Nobody wants them. Oregon looking to flip a guy from Kansas? Jesus. Fillinger at least has a legit offer sheet and is going to Texas. He's obviously a better prospect than those guys and Oregon needs all the D-line talent they can get regardless of position fit. They obviously thought he'd be a great fit in their defense or else they wouldn't have recruited him so hard.lawsandl said:
Montra Edwards and Quay Evans are coming to SNL (unofficial visits confirmed) and both of them are on record saying they will commit if it checks out. Also, the staff is pursuing Caldwell despite his commitment to Kansas. Caldwell is their top want at nose and he was interviewed and said he is lining up an official visit. That kid is soft to Kansas. These were always the 3 - 4 interior prospects for months.StrongArmCobra said:
He was their top realistic D-line target and they lost him. Nuff said.lawsandl said:
I don’t really care if we got the L. No one thinks Fillinger is getting to 290. The kid is barely 240 on a good day. Oregon is going to flex their front and they don’t need to force him to be a 3-4 DE.StrongArmCobra said:
Yes I do. Take the L. Oregon is taking a lot of them. This one shouldn't be so hard to take.lawsandl said:
You have no idea what you are talking about.StrongArmCobra said:
Which is why Oregon was hoping to get him and bulk him up to 285-290 and play DT for them.DJDuck said:The bottom line is that Oregon needs DT’s a lot more than DE’s not that the Ducks wouldn’t have liked to have him in their 2020 class.
Fillinger was always a kid they will flex. Everyone can see he’s not a 3-4 interior player. He’s most like a SDE in a 4-3. There are plenty left on the table right now that Oregon has a shot to take. -
Oregon is going to take 3 stars from the southeast more often than not on the DL. Kristian Williams and Brandon Dorlus are only reinforcing the reasons to do so. They’re just physically impressive.StrongArmCobra said:
Those guys all suck. Nobody wants them. Oregon looking to flip a guy from Kansas? Jesus. Fillinger at least has a legit offer sheet and is going to Texas. He's obviously a better prospect than those guys and Oregon needs all the D-line talent they can get regardless of position fit. They obviously thought he'd be a great fit in their defense or else they wouldn't have recruited him so hard.lawsandl said:
Montra Edwards and Quay Evans are coming to SNL (unofficial visits confirmed) and both of them are on record saying they will commit if it checks out. Also, the staff is pursuing Caldwell despite his commitment to Kansas. Caldwell is their top want at nose and he was interviewed and said he is lining up an official visit. That kid is soft to Kansas. These were always the 3 - 4 interior prospects for months.StrongArmCobra said:
He was their top realistic D-line target and they lost him. Nuff said.lawsandl said:
I don’t really care if we got the L. No one thinks Fillinger is getting to 290. The kid is barely 240 on a good day. Oregon is going to flex their front and they don’t need to force him to be a 3-4 DE.StrongArmCobra said:
Yes I do. Take the L. Oregon is taking a lot of them. This one shouldn't be so hard to take.lawsandl said:
You have no idea what you are talking about.StrongArmCobra said:
Which is why Oregon was hoping to get him and bulk him up to 285-290 and play DT for them.DJDuck said:The bottom line is that Oregon needs DT’s a lot more than DE’s not that the Ducks wouldn’t have liked to have him in their 2020 class.
Fillinger was always a kid they will flex. Everyone can see he’s not a 3-4 interior player. He’s most like a SDE in a 4-3. There are plenty left on the table right now that Oregon has a shot to take.
Quay Evans is a take at West Virginia and UCF and Caldwell at Ole Miss and Kansas (Les Miles staff that is respected in LA). They’re not blue chip kids but it’s making lemonade with lemons.
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So your contention is that all the offers a team makes are not really offers? Where is this written down in the NCAA rule book?StrongArmCobra said:
Schools offer way more recruits than they can actually take. That means some have an offer they can actually commit to and some don't. He did not have a committable offer from Ohio State.DJDuck said:Not a commitable offer? Maybe you could explain that to us.
Besides I said they offered him which they did.
And you know this how?
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This is self evident and commonplace. In fact, Oregon does this regularly. However, SAC pretends to have the inside scoop on every player.DJDuck said:
So your contention is that all the offers a team makes are not really offers? Where is this written down in the NCAA rule book?StrongArmCobra said:
Schools offer way more recruits than they can actually take. That means some have an offer they can actually commit to and some don't. He did not have a committable offer from Ohio State.DJDuck said:Not a commitable offer? Maybe you could explain that to us.
Besides I said they offered him which they did.
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Anyway my point is made by the fact he was offered by Michigan and committed to Texas which means by his definition they are as desperate as Oregon.
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It’s really not worth getting sucked into it. Oregon and UW have two different recruiting strategies on the DL. Truth be told we couldn’t execute what UW is doing. Malloe and UW deserve the best West Coast talent. It is what is.DJDuck said:Anyway my point is made by the fact he was offered by Michigan and committed to Texas which means by his definition they are as desperate as Oregon.
What SAC is unwilling to admit is that Oregon’s strategy is an extremely good alternative. Taking B level kids from the Southeast and getting numbers will produce. The kids that don’t pan out will be more likely to transfer home.
Taking West Coast kids will lead to uneven classes. Sure, you can redshirt and greyshirt to even it out a bit.
The dudes from the southeast are ready made. You don’t have to worry about framing up a kid and hoping he puts on weight. Evans, Caldwell and Edwards are already big. -
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I want to believeStrongArmCobra said:
Isn't it obvious? Their class is gonna suck ass. Van Fillinger was their top realistic D-line target. A 3-star guy UW was lightly interested in and he's going to Texas. They won't get a single 4-star offensive or defensive lineman in this class. When Williams and Slusher decommit, they will struggle to finish with 6 4-star signees. It's going to be a Helfrich level class. Oregon is fucking done. They are falling back to middle of the Pac recruiting wise and will stay there for a long time. This is the beginning of the end for them. UW is digging their grave right now on the recruiting trail. The beat down they put on them in Husky Stadium this season will be the final nail in the coffin. RIP any hope of an Oregon football resurgence.Meek said:?
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The Southeast D-lineman Oregon has and are recruiting suck. Williams and Dorlus are scrubs. 3-star guys from the Southeast are not inherently better than 3-star guys from the West coast just because they're from the Southeast. West coast Poly D-lineman are better than bottom of the barrel leftovers from the Southeast that the big schools down there didn't want.lawsandl said:
It’s really not worth getting sucked into it. Oregon and UW have two different recruiting strategies on the DL. Truth be told we couldn’t execute what UW is doing. Malloe and UW deserve the best West Coast talent. It is what is.DJDuck said:Anyway my point is made by the fact he was offered by Michigan and committed to Texas which means by his definition they are as desperate as Oregon.
What SAC is unwilling to admit is that Oregon’s strategy is an extremely good alternative. Taking B level kids from the Southeast and getting numbers will produce. The kids that don’t pan out will be more likely to transfer home.
Taking West Coast kids will lead to uneven classes. Sure, you can redshirt and greyshirt to even it out a bit.
The dudes from the southeast are ready made. You don’t have to worry about framing up a kid and hoping he puts on weight. Evans, Caldwell and Edwards are already big. -
Gotta hand it to ya lawsandl you interact with sac like a champ in all these threads.
I would have taken my ball home with me already.
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Dorlus will be a breakout player unless he injures himself. Kid is 285, no bad weight, broad shoulders, thick lower body and he’s driven. After looking at Dorlus, Williams, Hill at stafety, give me those kids any day of the week.StrongArmCobra said:
The Southeast D-lineman Oregon has and are recruiting suck. Williams and Dorlus are scrubs. 3-star guys from the Southeast are not inherently better than 3-star guys from the West coast just because they're from the Southeast. West coast Poly D-lineman are better than bottom of the barrel leftovers from the Southeast that the big schools down there didn't want.lawsandl said:
It’s really not worth getting sucked into it. Oregon and UW have two different recruiting strategies on the DL. Truth be told we couldn’t execute what UW is doing. Malloe and UW deserve the best West Coast talent. It is what is.DJDuck said:Anyway my point is made by the fact he was offered by Michigan and committed to Texas which means by his definition they are as desperate as Oregon.
What SAC is unwilling to admit is that Oregon’s strategy is an extremely good alternative. Taking B level kids from the Southeast and getting numbers will produce. The kids that don’t pan out will be more likely to transfer home.
Taking West Coast kids will lead to uneven classes. Sure, you can redshirt and greyshirt to even it out a bit.
The dudes from the southeast are ready made. You don’t have to worry about framing up a kid and hoping he puts on weight. Evans, Caldwell and Edwards are already big. -
A break out player as a true freshman huh? Lol you're such a quook. He sucks. Big Joe is recruiting at the same level at Oregon as he did at WSU.lawsandl said:
Dorlus will be a breakout player unless he injures himself. Kid is 285, no bad weight, broad shoulders, thick lower body and he’s driven. After looking at Dorlus, Williams, Hill at stafety, give me those kids any day of the week.StrongArmCobra said:
The Southeast D-lineman Oregon has and are recruiting suck. Williams and Dorlus are scrubs. 3-star guys from the Southeast are not inherently better than 3-star guys from the West coast just because they're from the Southeast. West coast Poly D-lineman are better than bottom of the barrel leftovers from the Southeast that the big schools down there didn't want.lawsandl said:
It’s really not worth getting sucked into it. Oregon and UW have two different recruiting strategies on the DL. Truth be told we couldn’t execute what UW is doing. Malloe and UW deserve the best West Coast talent. It is what is.DJDuck said:Anyway my point is made by the fact he was offered by Michigan and committed to Texas which means by his definition they are as desperate as Oregon.
What SAC is unwilling to admit is that Oregon’s strategy is an extremely good alternative. Taking B level kids from the Southeast and getting numbers will produce. The kids that don’t pan out will be more likely to transfer home.
Taking West Coast kids will lead to uneven classes. Sure, you can redshirt and greyshirt to even it out a bit.
The dudes from the southeast are ready made. You don’t have to worry about framing up a kid and hoping he puts on weight. Evans, Caldwell and Edwards are already big. -
He won’t break out this year. Hopefully he redshirts. Also, big Joe has better incoming talent than he did at Wazzu. Lol.
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IMO one of the most likely to be a breakout player is RS Freshman Mykael Wright.
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Wright’s better than Steele lol.DJDuck said:IMO one of the most likely to be a breakout player is RS Freshman Mykael Wright.
Wright’s composite ranking was the same as Chris Steele’s
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It's not better. It's a bunch of "hidden gem" 3-star guys. Same as WSU.lawsandl said:He won’t break out this year. Hopefully he redshirts. Also, big Joe has better incoming talent than he did at Wazzu. Lol.
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StrongArmCobra said:
It's not better. It's a bunch of "hidden gem" 3-star guys. Same as WSU.lawsandl said:He won’t break out this year. Hopefully he redshirts. Also, big Joe has better incoming talent than he did at Wazzu. Lol.
Lol, just looking at the numbers the average composite score is 8 points higher at minimum you dolt. They got one player rated higher than 84 in his tenure and 84 was the top end of his range.
Dorlus was a take at Florida and was committed to Va Tech.
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Fat Joe is a shit coach. Cuog dline got better the minute he left
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The best WSU was on the dline was Mariota’s last season when they had dudes like Barber, Vaeao and Cooper. WSU has trended up in recruiting and the overall defense has gotten more talented. There was not one NFL player on the dline this past season. It’s all in the backend.Peterman said:Fat Joe is a shit coach. Cuog dline got better the minute he left
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Fuck no, the dline they've had the last two years are the best they've had since 2003. Not saying much and they are still shitty but they were clearly better with the new coach, Phelps or whatever his name is. Fat Joe's lines were complete asslawsandl said:
The best WSU was on the dline was Mariota’s last season when they had dudes like Barber and Vaeao. WSU has trended up in recruiting and the overall defense has gotten more talented. There was not one NFL player on the dline. It’s all in the backend.Peterman said:Fat Joe is a shit coach. Cuog dline got better the minute he left
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Cooper, Barber and Vaeao were guys that the NFL wanted. Who on the dline the last two years are guys that will play in the NFL? The 2017 team was undersized and they started slanting and stunting to compensate.Peterman said:
Fuck no, the dline they've had the last two years are the best they've had since 2003. Not saying much and they are still shitty but they were clearly better with the new coach, Phelps or whatever his name is. Fat Joe's lines were complete asslawsandl said:
The best WSU was on the dline was Mariota’s last season when they had dudes like Barber and Vaeao. WSU has trended up in recruiting and the overall defense has gotten more talented. There was not one NFL player on the dline. It’s all in the backend.Peterman said:Fat Joe is a shit coach. Cuog dline got better the minute he left
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Oregon has a WSU level D-line. Nothing has changed. Malloe is a big dick recruiter. Fat Joe is a shrimp dick recruiter.lawsandl said:
Cooper, Barber and Vaeao were guys that the NFL wanted. Who on the dline the last two years are guys that will play in the NFL? The 2017 team was undersized and they started slanting and stunting to compensate.Peterman said:
Fuck no, the dline they've had the last two years are the best they've had since 2003. Not saying much and they are still shitty but they were clearly better with the new coach, Phelps or whatever his name is. Fat Joe's lines were complete asslawsandl said:
The best WSU was on the dline was Mariota’s last season when they had dudes like Barber and Vaeao. WSU has trended up in recruiting and the overall defense has gotten more talented. There was not one NFL player on the dline. It’s all in the backend.Peterman said:Fat Joe is a shit coach. Cuog dline got better the minute he left
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The writing is on the wall. Oregon finally has depth and an infusion of young talent. Scott and Faoliu are upperclassmen. They’re surrounded by seniors that finally showed they contribute. Carlberg, Baker and Cumberlander look like above above average P5 players. Popo looked capable of backing up Scott. He is getting his strength back in his shoulders. There will be a legit two deep this year.StrongArmCobra said:
Oregon has a WSU level D-line. Nothing has changed. Malloe is a big dick recruiter. Fat Joe is a shrimp dick recruiter.lawsandl said:
Cooper, Barber and Vaeao were guys that the NFL wanted. Who on the dline the last two years are guys that will play in the NFL? The 2017 team was undersized and they started slanting and stunting to compensate.Peterman said:
Fuck no, the dline they've had the last two years are the best they've had since 2003. Not saying much and they are still shitty but they were clearly better with the new coach, Phelps or whatever his name is. Fat Joe's lines were complete asslawsandl said:
The best WSU was on the dline was Mariota’s last season when they had dudes like Barber and Vaeao. WSU has trended up in recruiting and the overall defense has gotten more talented. There was not one NFL player on the dline. It’s all in the backend.Peterman said:Fat Joe is a shit coach. Cuog dline got better the minute he left
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And the no name dlines of the last two years clearly outperformed the lines those guys were on. That's my point. The new guy gets better results.lawsandl said:
Cooper, Barber and Vaeao were guys that the NFL wanted. Who on the dline the last two years are guys that will play in the NFL? The 2017 team was undersized and they started slanting and stunting to compensate.Peterman said:
Fuck no, the dline they've had the last two years are the best they've had since 2003. Not saying much and they are still shitty but they were clearly better with the new coach, Phelps or whatever his name is. Fat Joe's lines were complete asslawsandl said:
The best WSU was on the dline was Mariota’s last season when they had dudes like Barber and Vaeao. WSU has trended up in recruiting and the overall defense has gotten more talented. There was not one NFL player on the dline. It’s all in the backend.Peterman said:Fat Joe is a shit coach. Cuog dline got better the minute he left
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@lawsandl you are a good Duck poster. Always even keeled and knowledgeable. I say this as a well known Duck hater.
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2016 was WSU’s best rush defense the last three years. Seriously, WSU has upgraded their entire defense except on the DL where they are trending down. I am not saying Joe is a savior. However, it’s hard to argue against his development. Jelks was nobody until he was under Joe. Baker, Carlberg and Cumberlander have become serviceable under him. Every player is improving under him and that’s all I can expect.Peterman said:
And the no name dlines of the last two years clearly outperformed the lines those guys were on. That's my point. The new guy gets better results.lawsandl said:
Cooper, Barber and Vaeao were guys that the NFL wanted. Who on the dline the last two years are guys that will play in the NFL? The 2017 team was undersized and they started slanting and stunting to compensate.Peterman said:
Fuck no, the dline they've had the last two years are the best they've had since 2003. Not saying much and they are still shitty but they were clearly better with the new coach, Phelps or whatever his name is. Fat Joe's lines were complete asslawsandl said:
The best WSU was on the dline was Mariota’s last season when they had dudes like Barber and Vaeao. WSU has trended up in recruiting and the overall defense has gotten more talented. There was not one NFL player on the dline. It’s all in the backend.Peterman said:Fat Joe is a shit coach. Cuog dline got better the minute he left
Just watch the games, it's plain as day
As for talent, DL is the toughest spot to recruit on the West Coast. If Oregon lands Shipley, Afaese and few B level Southeastern guys to go along with a 9 tech like Harris, that’s about as good as it gets.
Say what you will but Caldwell, Edwards and Quay are guys that will keep the OL off some pretty elite linebacker talent Oregon is accumulating.
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Was a single one of those guys a 4-star recruit? Is Fat Joe known for being a great developer of D-line talent? No and no.lawsandl said:
The writing is on the wall. Oregon finally has depth and an infusion of young talent. Scott and Faoliu are upperclassmen. They’re surrounded by seniors that finally showed they contribute. Carlberg, Baker and Cumberlander look like above above average P5 players. Popo looked capable of backing up Scott. He is getting his strength back in his shoulders. There will be a legit two deep this year.StrongArmCobra said:
Oregon has a WSU level D-line. Nothing has changed. Malloe is a big dick recruiter. Fat Joe is a shrimp dick recruiter.lawsandl said:
Cooper, Barber and Vaeao were guys that the NFL wanted. Who on the dline the last two years are guys that will play in the NFL? The 2017 team was undersized and they started slanting and stunting to compensate.Peterman said:
Fuck no, the dline they've had the last two years are the best they've had since 2003. Not saying much and they are still shitty but they were clearly better with the new coach, Phelps or whatever his name is. Fat Joe's lines were complete asslawsandl said:
The best WSU was on the dline was Mariota’s last season when they had dudes like Barber and Vaeao. WSU has trended up in recruiting and the overall defense has gotten more talented. There was not one NFL player on the dline. It’s all in the backend.Peterman said:Fat Joe is a shit coach. Cuog dline got better the minute he left
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Lol, what does he have to do to get your “developer” tag? He took kids like Barber (off the field issues not talent prevented him from signing), Cooper, Vaeao and the played a major role with Ekuale and Hercules in making the all conference type players. A lot of why WSU was in a good spot after he left was because he identified talent and developed there.
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UW mowed over his WSU D-lines every year. Will be no different at Oregon. He's just not recruiting well enough. I'd be calling for him to be fired if I was you but I guess you have lower standards.lawsandl said:Lol, what does he have to do to get your “developer” tag? He took kids like Barber (off the field issues not talent prevented him from signing), Cooper, Vaeao and the played a major role with Ekuale and Hercules in making the all conference type players. A lot of why WSU was in a good spot after he left was because he identified talent and developed there.
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Right, because you mowed down Oregon’s DL for whooping 24 points in regulation.StrongArmCobra said:
UW mowed over his WSU D-lines every year. Will be no different at Oregon. He's just not recruiting well enough. I'd be calling for him to be fired if I was you but I guess you have lower standards.lawsandl said:Lol, what does he have to do to get your “developer” tag? He took kids like Barber (off the field issues not talent prevented him from signing), Cooper, Vaeao and the played a major role with Ekuale and Hercules in making the all conference type players. A lot of why WSU was in a good spot after he left was because he identified talent and developed there.
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To be fair, that was a lot of points to give up to UW in 2018...lawsandl said:
Right, because you mowed down Oregon’s DL for whooping 24 points in regulation.StrongArmCobra said:
UW mowed over his WSU D-lines every year. Will be no different at Oregon. He's just not recruiting well enough. I'd be calling for him to be fired if I was you but I guess you have lower standards.lawsandl said:Lol, what does he have to do to get your “developer” tag? He took kids like Barber (off the field issues not talent prevented him from signing), Cooper, Vaeao and the played a major role with Ekuale and Hercules in making the all conference type players. A lot of why WSU was in a good spot after he left was because he identified talent and developed there.
