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Yeah I'm such a loser.... worked 15 years in banking up to being a private banker and branch manager. But got burned out and need a break so 5 Years ago I started doing uber. Found I was making 2k a week in SF with awesome deductions with no boss and I could earn as much or as little as I want. And the best part is when I get back from my numerous vacations I have zero emails to return... yeah horrible. And oh I have hot drunk women with barely anything on in the vehicle... rough...MikeDamone said:
And they are losers. Add Lyft/Uber drivers to the loser list. There is a retirement exemption. If a driver is retired and doing it for something to do, the get a loser exemption.Goduckies said:
There are servers making over 100kMikeDamone said:
Servers who are not in school and under 22 are losers.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave. -
I heard you were in Kootenai county. Branch managers at banks are losers too. “Private banker”.😂 Same with grocery store managers, losers.Goduckies said:
Yeah I'm such a loser.... worked 15 years in banking up to being a private banker and branch manager. But got burned out and need a break so 5 Years ago I started doing uber. Found I was making 2k a week in SF with awesome deductions with no boss and I could earn as much or as little as I want. And the best part is when I get back from my numerous vacations I have zero emails to return... yeah horrible. And oh I have hot drunk women with barely anything on in the vehicle... rough...MikeDamone said:
And they are losers. Add Lyft/Uber drivers to the loser list. There is a retirement exemption. If a driver is retired and doing it for something to do, the get a loser exemption.Goduckies said:
There are servers making over 100kMikeDamone said:
Servers who are not in school and under 22 are losers.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave.
2k a week in SF minus expenses…BIG TIME! -
I see you are just a douche, but I was in banking in the Bay Area... had many multi million dollar clients.MikeDamone said:
I heard you were in Kootenai county. Branch managers at banks are losers too. Same with grocery store managers.Goduckies said:
Yeah I'm such a loser.... worked 15 years in banking up to being a private banker and branch manager. But got burned out and need a break so 5 Years ago I started doing uber. Found I was making 2k a week in SF with awesome deductions with no boss and I could earn as much or as little as I want. And the best part is when I get back from my numerous vacations I have zero emails to return... yeah horrible. And oh I have hot drunk women with barely anything on in the vehicle... rough...MikeDamone said:
And they are losers. Add Lyft/Uber drivers to the loser list. There is a retirement exemption. If a driver is retired and doing it for something to do, the get a loser exemption.Goduckies said:
There are servers making over 100kMikeDamone said:
Servers who are not in school and under 22 are losers.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave. -
So not in Kootenai county? “Clients”. Multi millionaires don’t put money with a “private banker” at Wells Fargo. You hooked them up with checking accounts and tried to sell them loans. Which is apparently super stressful.Goduckies said:
I see you are just a douche, but I was in banking in the Bay Area... had many multi million dollar clients.MikeDamone said:
I heard you were in Kootenai county. Branch managers at banks are losers too. Same with grocery store managers.Goduckies said:
Yeah I'm such a loser.... worked 15 years in banking up to being a private banker and branch manager. But got burned out and need a break so 5 Years ago I started doing uber. Found I was making 2k a week in SF with awesome deductions with no boss and I could earn as much or as little as I want. And the best part is when I get back from my numerous vacations I have zero emails to return... yeah horrible. And oh I have hot drunk women with barely anything on in the vehicle... rough...MikeDamone said:
And they are losers. Add Lyft/Uber drivers to the loser list. There is a retirement exemption. If a driver is retired and doing it for something to do, the get a loser exemption.Goduckies said:
There are servers making over 100kMikeDamone said:
Servers who are not in school and under 22 are losers.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave.
2k a week!!! Big time! -
If you say so, btw I had my series 7MikeDamone said:
So not in Kootenai county? “Clients”. Multi millionaires don’t put money with a “private banker” at Wells Fargo. You hooked them up with checking accounts and tried to sell them loans. Which is apparently super stressful.Goduckies said:
I see you are just a douche, but I was in banking in the Bay Area... had many multi million dollar clients.MikeDamone said:
I heard you were in Kootenai county. Branch managers at banks are losers too. Same with grocery store managers.Goduckies said:
Yeah I'm such a loser.... worked 15 years in banking up to being a private banker and branch manager. But got burned out and need a break so 5 Years ago I started doing uber. Found I was making 2k a week in SF with awesome deductions with no boss and I could earn as much or as little as I want. And the best part is when I get back from my numerous vacations I have zero emails to return... yeah horrible. And oh I have hot drunk women with barely anything on in the vehicle... rough...MikeDamone said:
And they are losers. Add Lyft/Uber drivers to the loser list. There is a retirement exemption. If a driver is retired and doing it for something to do, the get a loser exemption.Goduckies said:
There are servers making over 100kMikeDamone said:
Servers who are not in school and under 22 are losers.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave.
2k a week!!! Big time! -
Lol. Big time!!! I think being a branch manager at Wells Fargo sets a single successful guy such as you up nicely for a 2002 BMW 7 series.Goduckies said:
If you say so, btw I had my series 7MikeDamone said:
So not in Kootenai county? “Clients”. Multi millionaires don’t put money with a “private banker” at Wells Fargo. You hooked them up with checking accounts and tried to sell them loans. Which is apparently super stressful.Goduckies said:
I see you are just a douche, but I was in banking in the Bay Area... had many multi million dollar clients.MikeDamone said:
I heard you were in Kootenai county. Branch managers at banks are losers too. Same with grocery store managers.Goduckies said:
Yeah I'm such a loser.... worked 15 years in banking up to being a private banker and branch manager. But got burned out and need a break so 5 Years ago I started doing uber. Found I was making 2k a week in SF with awesome deductions with no boss and I could earn as much or as little as I want. And the best part is when I get back from my numerous vacations I have zero emails to return... yeah horrible. And oh I have hot drunk women with barely anything on in the vehicle... rough...MikeDamone said:
And they are losers. Add Lyft/Uber drivers to the loser list. There is a retirement exemption. If a driver is retired and doing it for something to do, the get a loser exemption.Goduckies said:
There are servers making over 100kMikeDamone said:
Servers who are not in school and under 22 are losers.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave.
2k a week!!! Big time!
You’re actually sounding more like a loser with each post. -
Yeah such a loser. Let's see last year I went to antigua, Alaska, Cabo, Ensenada, Puerto Vallarta and Hawaii... I now am planning a 3 week trip for Europe in May and will be going to Glacier in a few days. Have a 8 day cruise to the Caribbean in October and then fly over to Australia and new Zealand in November... such a loser.MikeDamone said:
Lol. Big time!!! I think being a branch manager at Wells Fargo sets a single successful guy such as you up nicely for a 2002 BMW 7 series.Goduckies said:
If you say so, btw I had my series 7MikeDamone said:
So not in Kootenai county? “Clients”. Multi millionaires don’t put money with a “private banker” at Wells Fargo. You hooked them up with checking accounts and tried to sell them loans. Which is apparently super stressful.Goduckies said:
I see you are just a douche, but I was in banking in the Bay Area... had many multi million dollar clients.MikeDamone said:
I heard you were in Kootenai county. Branch managers at banks are losers too. Same with grocery store managers.Goduckies said:
Yeah I'm such a loser.... worked 15 years in banking up to being a private banker and branch manager. But got burned out and need a break so 5 Years ago I started doing uber. Found I was making 2k a week in SF with awesome deductions with no boss and I could earn as much or as little as I want. And the best part is when I get back from my numerous vacations I have zero emails to return... yeah horrible. And oh I have hot drunk women with barely anything on in the vehicle... rough...MikeDamone said:
And they are losers. Add Lyft/Uber drivers to the loser list. There is a retirement exemption. If a driver is retired and doing it for something to do, the get a loser exemption.Goduckies said:
There are servers making over 100kMikeDamone said:
Servers who are not in school and under 22 are losers.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave.
2k a week!!! Big time!
You’re actually sounding more like a loser with each post.
I'm sure you are just the catch with your douche nozzle tech bro job. -
You think making 100k is good. Enough said on that. Loser. You didn’t do any of those things.Goduckies said:
Yeah such a loser. Let's see last year I went to antigua, Alaska, Cabo, Ensenada, Puerto Vallarta and Hawaii... I now am planning a 3 week trip for Europe in May and will be going to Glacier in a few days. Have a 8 day cruise to the Caribbean in October and then fly over to Australia and new Zealand in November... such a loser.MikeDamone said:
Lol. Big time!!! I think being a branch manager at Wells Fargo sets a single successful guy such as you up nicely for a 2002 BMW 7 series.Goduckies said:
If you say so, btw I had my series 7MikeDamone said:
So not in Kootenai county? “Clients”. Multi millionaires don’t put money with a “private banker” at Wells Fargo. You hooked them up with checking accounts and tried to sell them loans. Which is apparently super stressful.Goduckies said:
I see you are just a douche, but I was in banking in the Bay Area... had many multi million dollar clients.MikeDamone said:
I heard you were in Kootenai county. Branch managers at banks are losers too. Same with grocery store managers.Goduckies said:
Yeah I'm such a loser.... worked 15 years in banking up to being a private banker and branch manager. But got burned out and need a break so 5 Years ago I started doing uber. Found I was making 2k a week in SF with awesome deductions with no boss and I could earn as much or as little as I want. And the best part is when I get back from my numerous vacations I have zero emails to return... yeah horrible. And oh I have hot drunk women with barely anything on in the vehicle... rough...MikeDamone said:
And they are losers. Add Lyft/Uber drivers to the loser list. There is a retirement exemption. If a driver is retired and doing it for something to do, the get a loser exemption.Goduckies said:
There are servers making over 100kMikeDamone said:
Servers who are not in school and under 22 are losers.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave.
2k a week!!! Big time!
You’re actually sounding more like a loser with each post.
I'm sure you are just the catch with your douche nozzle tech bro job. -
If you say so
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You're an Uber driver in N Idaho. Remember that story about driving nurses?Goduckies said:If you say so
Everything else is bullshit. -
And your point? I made 1800 last week up here... 1000 so far this week here and its slow season... and every single thing I have mentioned in this thread is the truth... I have no reason to lie.MikeDamone said:
You're an Uber driver in N Idaho. Remember that story about driving nurses?Goduckies said:If you say so
Everything else is bullshit. -
You clear $50k a year max after expenses and taxes. You claim to be in N Idaho and the Bay Area at the same time. And are a world traveler. You're full of shit.Goduckies said:
And your point? I made 1800 last week up here... 1000 so far this week here and its slow season... and every single thing I have mentioned in this thread is the truth... I have no reason to lie.MikeDamone said:
You're an Uber driver in N Idaho. Remember that story about driving nurses?Goduckies said:If you say so
Everything else is bullshit.
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The obvious question this poses is what Taxpayer-Funded program are you benefitting from, Damone?MikeDamone said:
There are many legal aggressive tax mitigation sPurpleThrobber said:
I prefer to call it aggressive tax mitigation strategies.MikeDamone said:
One is a felony. One is a ticket. Pay what you owe asshole. Tax evaders are fuckheads.TurdBomber said:
Never gone over the speed limit?MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Fuck Off and Get a Life.
So? I hope they get caught.WestlinnDuck said:The small business service industry is all about tax evasion. One of the top lunch places in downtown Portland (white owner) was the Red Coach. Place didn't take plastic, only cash. And the cash register wasn't turned on. Just the waitresses order pad yellow receipt was kept. You think the Koreans are reporting their cash receipts from their dry cleaning business? Then the entire hispanic landscaping business is run on cash.
MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Otherwise, what business is it of yours? -
To be fair, I should've endorsed all of this, except the condescending "what could you have done better?" part.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
I agree with all the rest. -
The aggressive tax mitigation policies are the sale of renewable tax credits and bonus depreciation. They are completely legal. The sort of not legal tax shelters once pushed by the Big Accounting and Law firms were busted up with lots of jail time and penalties.TurdBomber said:
The obvious question this poses is what Taxpayer-Funded program are you benefitting from, Damone?MikeDamone said:
There are many legal aggressive tax mitigation sPurpleThrobber said:
I prefer to call it aggressive tax mitigation strategies.MikeDamone said:
One is a felony. One is a ticket. Pay what you owe asshole. Tax evaders are fuckheads.TurdBomber said:
Never gone over the speed limit?MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Fuck Off and Get a Life.
So? I hope they get caught.WestlinnDuck said:The small business service industry is all about tax evasion. One of the top lunch places in downtown Portland (white owner) was the Red Coach. Place didn't take plastic, only cash. And the cash register wasn't turned on. Just the waitresses order pad yellow receipt was kept. You think the Koreans are reporting their cash receipts from their dry cleaning business? Then the entire hispanic landscaping business is run on cash.
MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Otherwise, what business is it of yours? -
Thanks Bro!Goduckies said:
Worst tippers are Indians followed by blacks and then Europeans.... then the tech bros from SF... Latinos are somewhat decent.SFGbob said:Sounds like someone is trying to come up with an excuse to justify the fact that they are a shitty tipper. Talk to anyone who has waited tables.
A new study finds many waiters and waitresses feel that black Americans generally tip less than restaurant diners who are white. The study, by a researcher at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration, found that blacks tip on average 20 percent less than whites. In addition, restaurant workers of all races dislike waiting on black people because they assume the tips will be less no matter how good the service. NPR's Juan Williams reports. -
Thank you, Sigmeund. Let's move on to the Oedipus Complex, shall we? This is tedious at this point.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave. -
Quick Redemption, Damone.MikeDamone said:
Servers who are not in school and under 22 are losers.Fenderbender123 said:
If a waiter gets triple sat due to an error by a hostess, I really don't see whats wrong with asking the question so that the waiter reevaluates how they handled the situation.TurdBomber said:Fenderbender123 said:
How did you tell them they were cut off? Were you nice about it? Did you emphasize with them? There's so many ways to win people over. Sometimes the answer to that question is "no", and that's fine. But you'd be surprised how many stiffs you can avoid just by your body language, tone of voice, and choice of wording. I never worked at a bar and don't recall any customers having to be cut off at the place I worked.TurdBomber said:
Never got stiffed as a waiter.Fenderbender123 said:My thoughts on tipping:
1. It's literally people voluntarily giving workers extra money. Imagine thinking this is a bad thing.
2. It should only occur when paying for a luxury service, such as dining at a full service restaurant or having food delivered to your house.
3. In some states it's legal to pay servers half or significantly less than minimum wage, and I agree that is bullshit. Tipping is a solution for low wage workers to earn more, not a reason for businesses to pay them less.
4. Tips shouldn't be expected. I was a server for years, and overall I made damn good money. The secret is to always have the mentality that nobody owes you a tip. You have to constantly earn it. At one point I went 6+ months in a row with every table tipping me. No stiffs. Other servers would complain about a stiff at least once or twice a week. I'd always say to them "what could you have done better?"
5. If we eliminate tipping and instead charge customers more, we are still paying the same for the service, but without the option to give more or less based on the service received. It also removes the internal reward of feeling about giving somebody some extra money. People LIKE to tip.
But as a bartender? Many times. Turns out cutting drunk people off thwarts their generosity.
If you were ever such a dick as to ask me what I could have done better, I'd have punched you in the face.
Dude, you know it's hard, fast-paced work and even the bad waiters who can't remember orders are slaving away, sweating their asses off during a rush. So all they need when they get triple-sat-slammed by a dumb hostess is a co-worker asking them "What did you do wrong?" when they get $2 or nothing for a tip at the end. Some waiters are just sad, have no charisma or personality, and routinely get 10%. We all knew them BITD. It's too bad, but at least they have a job and the opportunity to earn more.
Asking them what they did wrong, in the moment, is just rubbing salt into their wounds.
Perhaps the better question is how many times you got punched in the face as a waiter for being a dick?
Don't mean to be overly harsh, but you know how stressful the business is, so nobody needs Mr. Perfect lecturing them in the midst of the hailstorm.
Did they move faster? Did they explain to the customers the situation? Did they ask the manager for help? Did they see if another server could take one of the tables? The list goes on and on. I'm sorry, I understand that there are factually people and situations where people don't tip. But if you never evaluate and look for ways to improve, and instead just immediately claim you're a victim of circumstance, it won't improve anything. It's self-defeating.
If a server is slow, uncharismatic, etc... What can they do to improve that? Those are things that can be fixed. I'm just saying that it's always better for people to focus on themselves, because that's all you can control. The only other option I guess is to just bitch and hope these situations magically stop happening. I'm not big on that.
I never had any negative feedback from anyone I said this to. I'd always say it very nicely. I was always at the top or near the top in tips earned and customer feedback at the restaurants I worked at. So all I was doing was just passing on the very mentality that put me there. It's a gift for them to take or leave. -
Yeah but you pass for white so your team doesn't get any credit. They just think a cool white guy gave them a nice tip.creepycoug said:
Thanks Bro!Goduckies said:
Worst tippers are Indians followed by blacks and then Europeans.... then the tech bros from SF... Latinos are somewhat decent.SFGbob said:Sounds like someone is trying to come up with an excuse to justify the fact that they are a shitty tipper. Talk to anyone who has waited tables.
A new study finds many waiters and waitresses feel that black Americans generally tip less than restaurant diners who are white. The study, by a researcher at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration, found that blacks tip on average 20 percent less than whites. In addition, restaurant workers of all races dislike waiting on black people because they assume the tips will be less no matter how good the service. NPR's Juan Williams reports. -
I'm hearing that the cubanos no longer count because too many in Florida voted R. Sorry brosephcreepycoug said:
Thanks Bro!Goduckies said:
Worst tippers are Indians followed by blacks and then Europeans.... then the tech bros from SF... Latinos are somewhat decent.SFGbob said:Sounds like someone is trying to come up with an excuse to justify the fact that they are a shitty tipper. Talk to anyone who has waited tables.
A new study finds many waiters and waitresses feel that black Americans generally tip less than restaurant diners who are white. The study, by a researcher at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration, found that blacks tip on average 20 percent less than whites. In addition, restaurant workers of all races dislike waiting on black people because they assume the tips will be less no matter how good the service. NPR's Juan Williams reports. -
White adjacent.Pitchfork51 said:
I'm hearing that the cubanos no longer count because too many in Florida voted R. Sorry brosephcreepycoug said:
Thanks Bro!Goduckies said:
Worst tippers are Indians followed by blacks and then Europeans.... then the tech bros from SF... Latinos are somewhat decent.SFGbob said:Sounds like someone is trying to come up with an excuse to justify the fact that they are a shitty tipper. Talk to anyone who has waited tables.
A new study finds many waiters and waitresses feel that black Americans generally tip less than restaurant diners who are white. The study, by a researcher at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration, found that blacks tip on average 20 percent less than whites. In addition, restaurant workers of all races dislike waiting on black people because they assume the tips will be less no matter how good the service. NPR's Juan Williams reports. -
FacistSFGbob said:
White adjacent.Pitchfork51 said:
I'm hearing that the cubanos no longer count because too many in Florida voted R. Sorry brosephcreepycoug said:
Thanks Bro!Goduckies said:
Worst tippers are Indians followed by blacks and then Europeans.... then the tech bros from SF... Latinos are somewhat decent.SFGbob said:Sounds like someone is trying to come up with an excuse to justify the fact that they are a shitty tipper. Talk to anyone who has waited tables.
A new study finds many waiters and waitresses feel that black Americans generally tip less than restaurant diners who are white. The study, by a researcher at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration, found that blacks tip on average 20 percent less than whites. In addition, restaurant workers of all races dislike waiting on black people because they assume the tips will be less no matter how good the service. NPR's Juan Williams reports. -
You’re missing my point. I get reamed on taxes. I follow the law while taking everything legal way to avoid taxes and pay the absolute minimum. If I don’t follow the law,, they will fuck me. And they have the power to do so. If someone is evading taxes (vs legally avoiding) then fuck you, and I hope you get caught and get fucked royally. I’ve had my dust ups with various tax authorities. So fuck anyone who cheats on their taxes.TurdBomber said:
The obvious question this poses is what Taxpayer-Funded program are you benefitting from, Damone?MikeDamone said:
There are many legal aggressive tax mitigation sPurpleThrobber said:
I prefer to call it aggressive tax mitigation strategies.MikeDamone said:
One is a felony. One is a ticket. Pay what you owe asshole. Tax evaders are fuckheads.TurdBomber said:
Never gone over the speed limit?MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Fuck Off and Get a Life.
So? I hope they get caught.WestlinnDuck said:The small business service industry is all about tax evasion. One of the top lunch places in downtown Portland (white owner) was the Red Coach. Place didn't take plastic, only cash. And the cash register wasn't turned on. Just the waitresses order pad yellow receipt was kept. You think the Koreans are reporting their cash receipts from their dry cleaning business? Then the entire hispanic landscaping business is run on cash.
MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Otherwise, what business is it of yours?
This is an entirely different argument as to what I think of the tax code, the IRS and government in general. I’m sure you’re smart enough to parse this out. -
Westlinn gets it.WestlinnDuck said:
The aggressive tax mitigation policies are the sale of renewable tax credits and bonus depreciation. They are completely legal. The sort of not legal tax shelters once pushed by the Big Accounting and Law firms were busted up with lots of jail time and penalties.TurdBomber said:
The obvious question this poses is what Taxpayer-Funded program are you benefitting from, Damone?MikeDamone said:
There are many legal aggressive tax mitigation sPurpleThrobber said:
I prefer to call it aggressive tax mitigation strategies.MikeDamone said:
One is a felony. One is a ticket. Pay what you owe asshole. Tax evaders are fuckheads.TurdBomber said:
Never gone over the speed limit?MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Fuck Off and Get a Life.
So? I hope they get caught.WestlinnDuck said:The small business service industry is all about tax evasion. One of the top lunch places in downtown Portland (white owner) was the Red Coach. Place didn't take plastic, only cash. And the cash register wasn't turned on. Just the waitresses order pad yellow receipt was kept. You think the Koreans are reporting their cash receipts from their dry cleaning business? Then the entire hispanic landscaping business is run on cash.
MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Otherwise, what business is it of yours? -
IRS is asshoeMikeDamone said:
You’re missing my point. I get reamed on taxes. I follow the law while taking everything legal way to avoid taxes and pay the absolute minimum. If I don’t follow the law,, they will fuck me. And they have the power to do so. If someone is evading taxes (vs legally avoiding) then fuck you, and I hope you get caught and get fucked royally. I’ve had my dust ups with various tax authorities. So fuck anyone who cheats on their taxes.TurdBomber said:
The obvious question this poses is what Taxpayer-Funded program are you benefitting from, Damone?MikeDamone said:
There are many legal aggressive tax mitigation sPurpleThrobber said:
I prefer to call it aggressive tax mitigation strategies.MikeDamone said:
One is a felony. One is a ticket. Pay what you owe asshole. Tax evaders are fuckheads.TurdBomber said:
Never gone over the speed limit?MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Fuck Off and Get a Life.
So? I hope they get caught.WestlinnDuck said:The small business service industry is all about tax evasion. One of the top lunch places in downtown Portland (white owner) was the Red Coach. Place didn't take plastic, only cash. And the cash register wasn't turned on. Just the waitresses order pad yellow receipt was kept. You think the Koreans are reporting their cash receipts from their dry cleaning business? Then the entire hispanic landscaping business is run on cash.
MikeDamone said:
So it's all taxable. You're just breaking the law. Got it.TurdBomber said:
Mandatory reporting of 8% while going home with 13% or so, if you're any good.MikeDamone said:
Non taxable?TurdBomber said:
I worked in nice joints all the way through college, and I tipped out the bartenders, hostesses, bussers and the line from my wad. When 5 or 6 waiters are all doing the same, each guy on the line walks home with about an extra $20-$25 in his pocket every shift he works. Bussers get even more tips because they earn less per hour than the guys on the line, and waiters were paid sub-minimum wage while declaring no less than 8% tips on their sales.RoadTrip said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of establishment the place is. If it's a large restaurant, the cooks get paid differently than the wait staff so no unless you want to give a few bucks to the hostess or whoever packed it up for you.SFGbob said:
Here's something I've always wondered about tipping. If you order something to go do you still tip and how much?Kaepsknee said:I’m a 20% max guy. And it goes down from there if service sucks. But it never goes down past 10% though.
If you're good, you're averaging 18% and clearing 13% on a typical night shift, so the 5% non-taxable bonus is a gift for busting your ass.
My experiences were great, the system worked, Seattle won international awards for having the best service industries in the world and everybody was happy.
Then came the lazy, entitled, untalented socialists fomenting their revolution from shitty, overpriced, fair-trade coffee shops where the tip jar became a fixture like the penny trays at 7-11. Tipping shifted from a reward to a tax and it's been downhill ever since. Service in Seattle almost uniformly sucks compared to 20 years ago.
Welcome to the totalitarian world of mandatory everything.
Fuck Off, Socialists. You ruin every fucking thing you touch.
Otherwise, what business is it of yours?
This is an entirely different argument as to what I think of the tax code, the IRS and government in general. I’m sure you’re smart enough to parse this out. -
I wasn't average and at Wells that 68k is base... I actually made 75 at the end... plus bonus on topMikeDamone said:
You clear $50k a year max after expenses and taxes. You claim to be in N Idaho and the Bay Area at the same time. And are a world traveler. You're full of shit.Goduckies said:
And your point? I made 1800 last week up here... 1000 so far this week here and its slow season... and every single thing I have mentioned in this thread is the truth... I have no reason to lie.MikeDamone said:
You're an Uber driver in N Idaho. Remember that story about driving nurses?Goduckies said:If you say so
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Big money. No wonder could afford the big 7 series.Goduckies said:
I wasn't average and at Wells that 68k is base... I actually made 75 at the end... plus bonus on topMikeDamone said:
You clear $50k a year max after expenses and taxes. You claim to be in N Idaho and the Bay Area at the same time. And are a world traveler. You're full of shit.Goduckies said:
And your point? I made 1800 last week up here... 1000 so far this week here and its slow season... and every single thing I have mentioned in this thread is the truth... I have no reason to lie.MikeDamone said:
You're an Uber driver in N Idaho. Remember that story about driving nurses?Goduckies said:If you say so
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Also Mike I moved to CDA last March if you have any degree which I doubt your dumb ass would have figured out that I had moved.
Also... I did every single one of those trips, plus flew to the bay area for 2 weddings... some were cruises some straight there
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You previously used that you were driving in SF in the present tense. Mr pulling down 75k in the Bay Area world traveler.Goduckies said:Also Mike I moved to CDA last March if you have any degree which I doubt your dumb ass would have figured out that I had moved.
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