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Russ to Denver

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  • dncdnc Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 53,739
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    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.

    I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.

    Pro Bowl:
    2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
    2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
    2016: Not selected
    2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
    2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
    2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)

    Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.

    Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.

    Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.

    I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.

    Your citing Pro Bowls? Its a popularity contest. 1 All-Pro in 10 years. That will never improve. No MVP votes. This certainly wont go up. At best Hall of very good. As of now, he is battling for the last wild card spot in the AFC. Decent chance they don't even make the playoffs. This won't put him over the top to get in.
    Players top 100, pro bowl, passer rating, TD: INT - there's a plethora of metrics that show Russ is easily a top 10 QB over the span of his career.

    You have yet to point to one that suggests he's not.

    Still waiting.
    Lol now we are citing the meaningless players vote. Should have also added last time he wasn't All Decade and won't be on the next one either. Those will be reserved for Aaron Rodgers/Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes. Actual Hall of Fam level players. Now we are at no All Decade Team, no MVP votes in 10 years, 1 all pro team team in 10 years. You don't get put in the HOF on metrics. You are put in on accomplishments and he won't achieve anymore of those. Denver isn't really a QB away and now they have no meaningful draft picks and will have to pay him after this year. The window has already closed on them.
    "Everybody's opinion is meaningless" says person with completely asinine opinion.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 20,005
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    dnc said:

    I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.

    I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.

    Pro Bowl:
    2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
    2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
    2016: Not selected
    2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
    2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
    2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)

    Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.

    Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.

    Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.

    I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.

    I agree with you but there's something about Russ that keeps me from summoning the energy to even read all that, much less expend effort to come up with my own stuff in his defense. He's just such a disingenuous and cringeworthy dude and I don't care that he's gone. Plus, his wife cucked him, which means he can't be a real man. Then again, I don't care about the Seahawks either, so there's that.
    dnchaie
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