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One of the many quaint beliefs the Left has about the US is that it's a relatively low-tax country

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  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,210 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,731 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    Somebody needs to pay for those programs that we can't do without - like open borders, the green gaia religious fraud, public education that doesn't educate and welfare payments to able bodied people and to end the homeless problem that we treat like spreading more pigeon feed and then can't figure out why there are more pigeons.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,628

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,210 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
    There's a difference between small and large growth.

    Good job, good effort.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,628

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
    There's a difference between small and large growth.

    Good job, good effort.
    There are differences between large and small deficits and good and bad economies too. The GOP has run up massive deficits when the economy was humming; its claims to fiscal prudence require we ignore its recent history.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,210 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
    There's a difference between small and large growth.

    Good job, good effort.
    There are differences between large and small deficits and good and bad economies too. The GOP has run up massive deficits when the economy was humming; its claims to fiscal prudence require we ignore its recent history.
    I'm impressed you agree with the criticism most here have of the swamp GOP.

    Kind of at odds with your defense of Liz though.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,628

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
    There's a difference between small and large growth.

    Good job, good effort.
    There are differences between large and small deficits and good and bad economies too. The GOP has run up massive deficits when the economy was humming; its claims to fiscal prudence require we ignore its recent history.
    I'm impressed you agree with the criticism most here have of the swamp GOP.

    Kind of at odds with your defense of Liz though.
    Cuz Daddy is the figurehead of fiscal discipline, of course.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,628
    edited November 2021

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
    There's a difference between small and large growth.

    Good job, good effort.
    There are differences between large and small deficits and good and bad economies too. The GOP has run up massive deficits when the economy was humming; its claims to fiscal prudence require we ignore its recent history.
    I'm impressed you agree with the criticism most here have of the swamp GOP.

    Kind of at odds with your defense of Liz though.
    Cuz Daddy is the figurehead of fiscal discipline, of course.
    There's the cope.

    But daddy!

    Welcome to 2021. Care to discuss the current trillions in entitlement stimulus for an economy that is already overheated with inflation?
    "Swamp GOP" were your words.

    How is referencing your support for Daddy not responsive?
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,210 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
    There's a difference between small and large growth.

    Good job, good effort.
    There are differences between large and small deficits and good and bad economies too. The GOP has run up massive deficits when the economy was humming; its claims to fiscal prudence require we ignore its recent history.
    I'm impressed you agree with the criticism most here have of the swamp GOP.

    Kind of at odds with your defense of Liz though.
    Cuz Daddy is the figurehead of fiscal discipline, of course.
    There's the cope.

    But daddy!

    Welcome to 2021. Care to discuss the current trillions in entitlement stimulus for an economy that is already overheated with inflation?
    "Swamp GOP" were your words.

    How is your support for Daddy not responsive?
    "Everyone does it" is your conflationary argument.

    Yeah, sure, there's literally no difference in any government spending or context whatsoever. 1 trillion on infrastructure in a recession vs. 3 trillion on entitlements during stagflation. Send out the checks for $1,000,000 because it's all the same.

    I mean, I guess we've established you are bad at economics but this is right there with oil production doesn't effect price.
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    edited November 2021
    The US is not a low tax country, and does a much worse job spending and allocating its tax revenue.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,628

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
    There's a difference between small and large growth.

    Good job, good effort.
    There are differences between large and small deficits and good and bad economies too. The GOP has run up massive deficits when the economy was humming; its claims to fiscal prudence require we ignore its recent history.
    I'm impressed you agree with the criticism most here have of the swamp GOP.

    Kind of at odds with your defense of Liz though.
    Cuz Daddy is the figurehead of fiscal discipline, of course.
    There's the cope.

    But daddy!

    Welcome to 2021. Care to discuss the current trillions in entitlement stimulus for an economy that is already overheated with inflation?
    "Swamp GOP" were your words.

    How is your support for Daddy not responsive?
    "Everyone does it" is your conflationary argument.

    Yeah, sure, there's literally no difference in any government spending or context whatsoever. 1 trillion on infrastructure in a recession vs. 3 trillion on entitlements during stagflation. Send out the checks for $1,000,000 because it's all the same.

    I mean, I guess we've established you are bad at economics but this is right there with oil production doesn't effect price.
    Daddy was all on board with the tax cut bill when everything seemed to be going fine. Growing deficits in fat times, just like the "swamp GOP".
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,210 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
    There's a difference between small and large growth.

    Good job, good effort.
    There are differences between large and small deficits and good and bad economies too. The GOP has run up massive deficits when the economy was humming; its claims to fiscal prudence require we ignore its recent history.
    I'm impressed you agree with the criticism most here have of the swamp GOP.

    Kind of at odds with your defense of Liz though.
    Cuz Daddy is the figurehead of fiscal discipline, of course.
    There's the cope.

    But daddy!

    Welcome to 2021. Care to discuss the current trillions in entitlement stimulus for an economy that is already overheated with inflation?
    "Swamp GOP" were your words.

    How is your support for Daddy not responsive?
    "Everyone does it" is your conflationary argument.

    Yeah, sure, there's literally no difference in any government spending or context whatsoever. 1 trillion on infrastructure in a recession vs. 3 trillion on entitlements during stagflation. Send out the checks for $1,000,000 because it's all the same.

    I mean, I guess we've established you are bad at economics but this is right there with oil production doesn't effect price.
    Daddy was all on board with the tax cut bill when everything seemed to be going fine. Growing deficits in fat times, just like the "swamp GOP".
    Tax cuts are literally part of how you shrink government but sure, good argument?

    Are you going to go ahead with the "how do we pay for tax cuts" fallacy next?
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    So then we've agreed that the US is a high tax country that we get little in return for.

    H is just stating there's no way to fix it.

    Sounds like a hell of an argument for not passing any future spending. We can at least shrink government as a % of gdp that way.

    No, he is saying that we need to raise taxes even higher.
    We're not a high tax country, at all. We do need to raise taxes without even considering any new discretionary spending, which will also happen . . . under either party.
    So we can get nothing good in return. Genius!
    Telling you that you will die someday is not the same as rooting for you to die.

    There is no political will to shrink government.
    There's a difference between small and large growth.

    Good job, good effort.
    There are differences between large and small deficits and good and bad economies too. The GOP has run up massive deficits when the economy was humming; its claims to fiscal prudence require we ignore its recent history.
    I'm impressed you agree with the criticism most here have of the swamp GOP.

    Kind of at odds with your defense of Liz though.
    Cuz Daddy is the figurehead of fiscal discipline, of course.
    There's the cope.

    But daddy!

    Welcome to 2021. Care to discuss the current trillions in entitlement stimulus for an economy that is already overheated with inflation?
    "Swamp GOP" were your words.

    How is your support for Daddy not responsive?
    "Everyone does it" is your conflationary argument.

    Yeah, sure, there's literally no difference in any government spending or context whatsoever. 1 trillion on infrastructure in a recession vs. 3 trillion on entitlements during stagflation. Send out the checks for $1,000,000 because it's all the same.

    I mean, I guess we've established you are bad at economics but this is right there with oil production doesn't effect price.
    Daddy was all on board with the tax cut bill when everything seemed to be going fine. Growing deficits in fat times, just like the "swamp GOP".
    Daddy made the maximum SALT deduction $10,000. Senile daddy got rid of that.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,868 Standard Supporter
    Too bad Ross Perot is dead.

    That motherfucker explained government finance/deficits/debt better than any human over the past 100 years.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886

    100% this. Add up all the fed, state, and local level taxes and the tax burden goes way up.</blockquote

    If you are even gainfully employed you see about half of your take home go to taxes. 20-30% goes away to payroll taxes. 20% of your heat and light bills are taxes. 15% of your rent or mortgage payment goes to pay property taxes. 30% of your gasoline cost goes to taxes.

    And then we have the indirect taxes. For everything else that you buy has a cost built into it to cover the taxes that the business pays.

  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,522
    You guys made HHusky angry, Biden is fucking with his mojo.
  • thechatchthechatch Member Posts: 6,461
    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.

    US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads

    I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.
    Bullshit. No you don’t.
    I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?
    There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.
    Is this where we drop our 941s and 1120S filings on the table or would you rather see a FY2020 P&L and figure it out for yourself?

    Fuck off.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,210 Swaye's Wigwam
    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    hardhat said:

    HHusky said:

    Paid 42% tax rate in Sweden, got free health care, free full time childcare (8:30am to 4pm), and $100 a month unlimited metro card.

    US I get taxed 28% and get toll roads

    I get taxed a lot more than 28% and still get toll roads.
    Bullshit. No you don’t.
    I'm really disappointed in you ladies. This is one of your favorite subjects, that we're not taxed enough. Did your booster shot have some side effects?
    There is zero chance any of you gals pays 28% of your income in taxes. Basic math fail.
    Is this where we drop our 941s and 1120S filings on the table or would you rather see a FY2020 P&L and figure it out for yourself?

    Fuck off.
    H is such a big shot lawyer he fails to understand most blue states have income tax on top of federal income tax. So worldly that one.
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