Was Jimmy just lazy?
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Favored in every game champs 12-0insinceredawg said:
Yup. All offseason they were defending the shitty recruiting and mocking any posters that expressed concern. Kim's favorite line was "UW is favored in every game this year but some here are upset about recruiting". It was excuse after excuse ...no visits, covid evaluations are flawed, it's a small class, etc. Now they're acting as if they had been on him this whole time. Fuck those guys.CheersWestDawg said:
I’m shocked at this. Shocked.insinceredawg said:The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone.
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State sponsored mediainsinceredawg said:
Yup. All offseason they were defending the shitty recruiting and mocking any posters that expressed concern. Kim's favorite line was "UW is favored in every game this year but some here are upset about recruiting". It was excuse after excuse ...no visits, covid evaluations are flawed, it's a small class, etc. Now they're acting as if they had been on him this whole time. Fuck those guys.CheersWestDawg said:
I’m shocked at this. Shocked.insinceredawg said:The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone.
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Who cares? He gone.
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Not forever but for first few years sure. A David Shaw trajectory without the Christian McCaffrey extended run.Houhusky said:
"If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year"FremontTroll said:
Where did I say he didn’t fail spectacularly? It’s actually amazing how fast and hard it crashed given the place the program was in when the reigns were handed over.Houhusky said:
What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.FremontTroll said:Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.
If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.
The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.
Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.
Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.
All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.
The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.
DIAFF.
My point is Jimmy was put into a great position and despite his faults if he hadn’t hired JonDon and simply handed over control of offense to any coordinator with decently modern concept that we would have ended up stuck with Jimmy for a long time as he could have easily put up 10 win seasons (at least 2020/21) without much effort.
The margin between .400 and .700 in the short term is not that large. Plenty of terrible coaches have put up good records you only need to be great to sustain in the long run.
If you believe this you are a retard. Lake was never going to achieve "10-3 or so every year" even if he had prime Reggie Bush and Lincoln Riley as OC for the rest of his life.
Jimmy Lake was a malignant cancer, not a benign tumor. He actively made those around him worse. -
Before the season we were asking that very question right?insinceredawg said:
I agree that if he hired an average OC they would probably be 9-1 or 8-2 right now. The regression wouldn't have materialized on the field for another 1-2 years similar to Oregon under Helfrich.FremontTroll said:
Where did I say he didn’t fail spectacularly? It’s actually amazing how fast and hard it crashed given the place the program was in when the reigns were handed over.Houhusky said:
What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.FremontTroll said:Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.
If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.
The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.
Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.
Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.
All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.
The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.
DIAFF.
My point is Jimmy was put into a great position and despite his faults if he hadn’t hired JonDon and simply handed over control of offense to any coordinator with decently modern concept that we would have ended up stuck with Jimmy for a long time as he could have easily put up 10 win seasons (at least 2020/21) without much effort.
The margin between .400 and .700 in the short term is not that large. Plenty of terrible coaches have put up good records you only need to be great to sustain in the long run.
Something I've asked myself is, would I have taken 2-3 years of competitive play while the program was heading towards a cliff or swallow the shitty season now in hopes of a new coach turning things around quickly. I'd almost choose the former if it meant a CFP or Rose Bowl appearance vs having no idea what to expect going forward.
I think we knew there were signs of rot but hard to predict this much …
You’re right that you always take the P12 title today instead of the future … but there wasn’t a lot of long term hope in Jimmy with the way the trend lines were going before the season
But sitting here today, I’m glad we pulled the trigger as quickly as we did -
Doog Fain's take today on Jimmy:
"Everyone in the world knows that Jimmy will immediately get a coordinator job, turn some school into a defensive juggernaut, and be back somewhere as a HC in 3 years." -
@Ballzsonics1993 said:There was this one guy early on who pointed that out. What was his name?
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Facts, but that tends to go over a lot of folks head.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is not the most woke person on the boards - but 'lazy' implies some kind of racial overtone in today's world.LongDukDong said:Jimmy is like your classical millennial with two years of work experience that has mastered their specific job. Thinks because they know how to do the job that they should be running the department and managing people.
Jimmy doesn’t know how to grind or face adversity. We all saw what happened when he lost his shit on national TV. So yes, he’s entitled, delusional and lazy
Complacent, lackadaisical, inattentive - probably more socially acceptable. All stemming from the aforementioned arrogance.
Somehow it seems Jimmy bided his time like Eddie Haskell ingratiating himself into the Peterman pysche - all the while with the mindset of "When I'm the head guy, all this bullshit is out the window".
It's hard to fathom otherwise.
I find it very believable that it is the intended purpose of this thread though some people just have no self control in this area of human relations. Some people love to hide behind stereotype promoting language then play dumb when called out on it...ignorance is bliss.
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If that was the case, why do we give up 250+ on the ground every week?bananasnblondes said:Doog Fain's take today on Jimmy:
"Everyone in the world knows that Jimmy will immediately get a coordinator job, turn some school into a defensive juggernaut, and be back somewhere as a HC in 3 years."
For anyone that thinks it doesn’t matter, it does. I’ve seen Coker on Twitter post this and some here. It shows a lack of fundamentals (gaps, fits, and mainly tackling). Teams that can’t tackle are never good. Defense that don’t hit hard are never good. The lack of fundamentals and physicality rubs off on the whole team. -
Lol you nailed it. I created this thread because I couldn’t control my urge to be racist. It’s my Dark Passenger like Dexter.ChillyDawg said:
Facts, but that tends to go over a lot of folks head.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is not the most woke person on the boards - but 'lazy' implies some kind of racial overtone in today's world.LongDukDong said:Jimmy is like your classical millennial with two years of work experience that has mastered their specific job. Thinks because they know how to do the job that they should be running the department and managing people.
Jimmy doesn’t know how to grind or face adversity. We all saw what happened when he lost his shit on national TV. So yes, he’s entitled, delusional and lazy
Complacent, lackadaisical, inattentive - probably more socially acceptable. All stemming from the aforementioned arrogance.
Somehow it seems Jimmy bided his time like Eddie Haskell ingratiating himself into the Peterman pysche - all the while with the mindset of "When I'm the head guy, all this bullshit is out the window".
It's hard to fathom otherwise.
I find it very believable that it is the intended purpose of this thread though some people just have no self control in this area of human relations. Some people love to hide behind stereotype promoting language then play dumb when called out on it...ignorance is bliss.
