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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,422 Standard Supporter
    edited March 2014
    Gonzaga is the basketball version of Oregon to Doogs. Even you guys went full doog over them. I mentioned it earlier, but didn't realize how bad it was until I looked some things up. Gonzaga hasn't lost their first tournament game since 2008 to Davidson.

    But they can't beat Oklahoma State. What a powerhouse Oklahoma State is. Oklahoma State's run to the second round in 2009 was special. Good teams have 7 game losing streaks during conference play. Small, little Gonzaga from the shitty conference never does anything in the tournament and has no chance. I'm hearing Gonzaga has three 6'0" guards that couldn't start on some high school teams.

    Disclaimer: I have hated Gonzaga ever since Dan Dickau and Casey Calvery graduated. They have a good program though, despite choking a time or two (Adam Morrison years, last year) in the tournament.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    edited March 2014
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Gonzaga is the basketball version of Oregon to Doogs. Even you guys went full doog over them. I mentioned it earlier, but didn't realize how bad it was until I looked some things up. Gonzaga hasn't lost their first tournament game since 2008 to Davidson.

    But they can't beat Oklahoma State. What a powerhouse Oklahoma State is. Oklahoma State's run to the second round in 2009 was special. Good teams have 7 game losing streaks during conference play. Small, little Gonzaga from the shitty conference never does anything in the tournament and has no chance. I'm hearing Gonzaga has three 6'0" guards that couldn't start on some high school teams.

    Disclaimer: I have hated Gonzaga ever since Dan Dickau and Casey Calvery graduated. They have a good program though, despite choking a time or two (Adam Morrison years, last year) in the tournament.

    Doogs hate GU, but that doesn't mean the Zags rep is wrong.

    They've made it past the round of 32 just twice since 2001 (and never past the S16). That's two Sweet 16s in their last 12 tournaments. They have a losing record in the NCAAs (11-12) in that time period.

    Lorenzo Romar, who we all agree sucks, has made it past the round of 32 three times in that time period. Few's tournament winning percentage is 51.7. Romar's is 57.1. Anytime you come up poorly in a comparison to Lorenzo Romar, you're doing something wrong.

    This despite GU being in the tournament every single year and often being seeded well - they've failed to reach the Sweet 16 as a 1 (2013), 3 (2005), and a 2 (2004).

    Yes, they should beat OK State, but there is a decent chance they won't. Mark Few is as underachieving of a tournament coach as there is anywhere in America.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    I still don't understand this thread, but I learned about McBuckets, so it's cool.
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  • [Deleted User]
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    dnc said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Gonzaga is the basketball version of Oregon to Doogs. Even you guys went full doog over them. I mentioned it earlier, but didn't realize how bad it was until I looked some things up. Gonzaga hasn't lost their first tournament game since 2008 to Davidson.

    But they can't beat Oklahoma State. What a powerhouse Oklahoma State is. Oklahoma State's run to the second round in 2009 was special. Good teams have 7 game losing streaks during conference play. Small, little Gonzaga from the shitty conference never does anything in the tournament and has no chance. I'm hearing Gonzaga has three 6'0" guards that couldn't start on some high school teams.

    Disclaimer: I have hated Gonzaga ever since Dan Dickau and Casey Calvery graduated. They have a good program though, despite choking a time or two (Adam Morrison years, last year) in the tournament.

    Doogs hate GU, but that doesn't mean the Zags rep is wrong.

    They've made it past the round of 32 just twice since 2001 (and never past the S16). That's two Sweet 16s in their last 12 tournaments. They have a losing record in the NCAAs (11-12) in that time period.

    Lorenzo Romar, who we all agree sucks, has made it past the round of 32 three times in that time period. Few's tournament winning percentage is 51.7. Romar's is 57.1. Anytime you come up poorly in a comparison to Lorenzo Romar, you're doing something wrong.

    This despite GU being in the tournament every single year and often being seeded well - they've failed to reach the Sweet 16 as a 1 (2013), 3 (2005), and a 2 (2004).

    Yes, they should beat OK State, but there is a decent chance they won't. Mark Few is as underachieving of a tournament coach as there is anywhere in America.
    THIS.

    The magical elite 8 run was made by Monson not Few which most Doogs/Zoogs(?) probably don't realize.

    Since 2001 they have lived off that Cinderella rep despite mostly choking in the tournament. We've seen Butler, VCU, Witchita State and George Mason make much more impressive runs than them even.

    They've earned their rep as choke artists and it's been since Clinton was in office the last time they pulled off a major upset in March.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,422 Standard Supporter
    @dnc‌ I agree with your post, but saying they can't beat Ok State and saying they have 3 guards that can't start on a high school team is a doog statement. I guess it doesn't really matter. Whoever wins will lose to Arizona in the next round.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Road was right, and I don't even think the zags are that good. OSU is now 3-11 from the line and never do anything but shoot from the perimeter. If you want an example of what attacking can do for a team watch Arizona state last night. Even though they lost driving got them to the line and opened up easy buckets for bachybski and gilling. Fuck Kansas got outscored 30-0 from the e point line today and still won by doue digits. I hate perimeter shooting teams
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,232
    You can shoot from the perimeter and be successful ... but you HAVE to get into the lane one way or another.

    There's good 3 point shots and bad 3 point shots ... teams that can't get into the lane will end up shooting a ton of bad 3's.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Yep, and Oklahoma state takes bad 3's, especially forte, out of rhythm off the dribble, early in clock 3's, terrible
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,422 Standard Supporter
    Gonzaga isn't that good. It's just that Oklahoma State sucks. Smart is easily the most overrated player in the country and their coach is terrible.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,232
    Smart drifts a lot ... he rarely plays a consistent 40 minutes.

    When I watched them in Vegas ... it was very clear watching them how much he drifts. When he wants to play, he's almost impossible to stop.

    He's also a fucking idiot.
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