10 years ago the thought was there would be 4 16 team superconferences and either the Pac would get OU/Texas or the Big12 would take SC/UCLA, and the winner of that was the 4th along with SEC/Big10/ACC
With SEC going Nuclear and grabbing them, at best you will have three with now both the Remaining B12 and P12 sol.
Now that it's come out SEC and OU/Texas have been talking between 6 months and year, it makes much more sense why Playoffs suddenly went from 4 to 12 teams (led in large part by SEC commish Mike Sankey).
A simple but telling way you will see that the SEC just cares more..... In all the different realignment scenarios for the Pac/B12 it's based on geography. In the SEC however they decide to group teams (quads/pods/divisions/etc) it will be done to spread out the dreck evenly so that they can maximize their chances to have as many teams as possible with high win totals and hence get in the playoffs. In essence you won't see Kentucky and Vandy in the same 4 team pod.
I’ve seen a view of the mock pods and for the most there aren’t more than 2 really strong teams in any single pod
There’s a clear division even within the SEC of the have’s and have not’s
PAC 12 branding sucks big time - I just went to CBS CFB and there is not one article about the PAC 12, ESPN had 3 - WSU coach is not vaccinated and two about the new PAC 12 commissioner not being interested in expanding (but willing to discuss).
All this realignment talk is every where except west of the Rockies. and on some obscure college football bored
TAMU isn’t coming. They think that everyone here is a heroin junkie communist that sometimes cheers on their effeminate football team, the anteefas, if they’re not busy with sodomy and ballet. They’re not entirely wrong, but I refuse to listen to a school that couldn’t even build and decent bonfire like some type of slow cavemen.
The age of the super conference is upon us. There is no saving the Pacific Whatever Conference League. Or maybe it’s the opposite, don’t listen to me - I’m usually very wrong on these things.
A chance this kick starts the 16-24 team super league, and the leftovers scramble for tallest midget. A relegation system could create a real Hunger Games type spectacle.
I really thought that Texas and Oklahoma were just doing the hustle again, the one that leads the rest of the conference to spread ‘em and give then whatever they want. They used Orangebloods dot com and Larry Scott last time, it seemed like version II. But maybe it’s for real.
I’ve suggested Oregon and Washington going to the Big Ten for years.
As for saving the Pac... Why? Tradition? History? A chance to be pourer than Mizzou? Fuck that, I know we go all the way back to 1994 and Oregon is a founding member, but I say fuck everyone in the conference. Unless there is no better alternative and no invitation - in which case let’s see what we can do to preserve our shared history and future viability.
I know you’re being sarcastic but their problem wasn’t building the bonfire, their problem was keeping it upright.
In my opinion, college football was the greatest sport ever. Takes arguably the most exciting and complex team sport ever created and displays it at the perfect level: A high enough level that you're still watching freaks be freaks but not such a high level that you might as well be watching robots play. In college football, there is still big money and pressure on the line, but not so much that conservatism reigns. Every NFL team looks exactly like every other NFL team, to the point where a player can be traded and be starting for the new team a week later. Most football innovations start at the high school or college levels, usually out of necessity, as the playing field can be so tilted. There are years where OSU (west) or WSU are legit good, and that's amazing! Rivalries are regional and accessible. Players stay on the same team throughout their career--they choose their team just like the fan does, so they're more relatable and likeable than a pro mercenary.
The problem is that nearly all of these reasons that college football is great have either already been thrown in the trash or are about to be. The transfer portal has already brought free agency. (Hell, all the hand-wringing here over the total cuckery of wishing Oregon well in repping the north was closing the barn door after the horse was already out: Just the prior season, UW cried in a corner while watching Georgia fuck their girl, then took their sloppy seconds and let him start at quarterback. All for 8-5.) Now NIL is bringing the mercenary nature of the players into the light of day.
And this imbalance is tilting the playing field so far toward the haves that even the ingenuity and variety that used to keep the game interesting is no longer sufficient. You're not going to beat Alabama's 40 5-stars no matter how clever your scheme and no matter how much you care about the kids and develop them. Besides--you're just developing some portion of them so they can transfer to a lower school if they're impatient for playing time or a higher school if they were using you as a stepping stone to greater exposure in the SEC.
And then the final nail in the coffin: Traveling 3000 miles to take on a "conference rival," because that's all a "lowly" program like the fucking University of Washington can do to have a prayer in the future of keeping a top-100 kid who lives five miles from campus from losing 20 pounds and moving to Columbus, Ohio to be closer to home.
I didn't realize how close I was to the edge, but I'm right there with @MikeDamone and @TommySQC: I already don't watch the NFL, and I can not watch college football as well if it's just going to be another NFL only without the parity.
That’s the kind of cynicism that college football has inspired in many fans.
The playoff isn’t devaluing Bowel Games in the way the pundits like to write about. It is just dickslapping reality into fans. The Rose, Sun, and Redbox Bowls that the grandfathers of the current players bled for are now the scraps that have fallen from the tables of the landed gentry. Those bowl payouts will allow the peasants to harvest another season of crops, so the plump goose at the table of Alabama, Ohio State, and other aristocrats can have gross carrots as decoration. You need those vegetables like you need a game on the 8:30 PST ESPN2 time slot; it rounds out the table, but it isn’t vital.
More and more people are realizing they are carrots. They pay to be carrots. Time, money, effort, and hope. Alabama feeds off the hope, like some kind of Saturday afternoon carrot munching Bugs Bunny Nesferatu. It’s what sustains the whole thing. Playing Clemson is not an accomplishment. Playing Clemson while 60 other carrot fan bases envy them, and wish for a generational talent for a chance to be like them - if just for one brief year, that is what sustains them.
The tiers are stratifying even further. I know it’s a played out trope here but it is true; some schools care and will try to not be left behind. The depressing thing is even if the school cares the vast majority has no chance of keeping up. Shaking up the conferences in such a manor is as big of a change as there could be to speed up the process.
Whatever happens with the big 12, again, I don't see anything materializing for the Pac only for the fact that their new commissioner is riding around promising a massively improved TV contract and whatever his plan is for the P12N. Champ games in Vegas, etc. There's enough on the table that I don't think any school is a serious threat except maybe Colorado whose roots aren't Pac.
No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14
No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14
Big 12 will be try and take those and Memphis for sure.
No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14
Big 12 will be try and take those and Memphis for sure.
All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Texas tech is more in the New Mexico footprint than where the Texas blue chips are at
No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14
That's my point. Pac 12 will stand still and watch the Big 12 try to be relevant without Texas and Oklahoma. Who gives a fuck, they sucked before this and they'll suck after this.
Oregon should jump ship. They suck ass academically and don't fit within anything but the SEC who is also
All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Last October it was "rumored" by the shitty Twitter sites (not looking for clicks at all) that SC was going to go independent and Utah was going to go Big 12. The same fear/peapatch porn takes were touted then too.
Reality: all of the schools, including Oregon, bowed down to Stanford and played the 4-7 game preseason shit show.
Reality: the Big 12 is the shittiest, most awkward Power 5 conference full of schools that don't move the needle academically, nor on the field. This is why UT and OU are thinking about leaving.
I hope they do try and take Utah and Colorado from us. Fuck those schools.
All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14
That's my point. Pac 12 will stand still and watch the Big 12 try to be relevant without Texas and Oklahoma. Who gives a fuck, they sucked before this and they'll suck after this.
Oregon should jump ship. They suck ass academically and don't fit within anything but the SEC who is also
All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Last October it was "rumored" by the shitty Twitter sites (not looking for clicks at all) that SC was going to go independent and Utah was going to go Big 12. The same fear/peapatch porn takes were touted then too.
Reality: all of the schools, including Oregon, bowed down to Stanford and played the 4-7 game preseason shit show.
Reality: the Big 12 is the shittiest, most awkward Power 5 conference full of schools that don't move the needle academically, nor on the field. This is why UT and OU are thinking about leaving.
I hope they do try and take Utah and Colorado from us. Fuck those schools.
Pac 10 with no divisions would be amazing.
Why would it be amazing? It would still be a shit conference all things considered.
No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14
That's my point. Pac 12 will stand still and watch the Big 12 try to be relevant without Texas and Oklahoma. Who gives a fuck, they sucked before this and they'll suck after this.
Oregon should jump ship. They suck ass academically and don't fit within anything but the SEC who is also
All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Last October it was "rumored" by the shitty Twitter sites (not looking for clicks at all) that SC was going to go independent and Utah was going to go Big 12. The same fear/peapatch porn takes were touted then too.
Reality: all of the schools, including Oregon, bowed down to Stanford and played the 4-7 game preseason shit show.
Reality: the Big 12 is the shittiest, most awkward Power 5 conference full of schools that don't move the needle academically, nor on the field. This is why UT and OU are thinking about leaving.
I hope they do try and take Utah and Colorado from us. Fuck those schools.
Pac 10 with no divisions would be amazing.
Why would it be amazing? It would still be a shit conference all things considered.
We don't agree on all this, and that's fine.
The ACC bores me outside of Miami. And they're more depressing than any former power.
The SEC bores the living fuck out of me, just a bunch of schools with 0 identity outside "it just means more". It's decent when a random school like Kentucky is good but Bama just feasts on everyone and waits for their playoff invite. I don't even watch the iron bowl, nor the marquee A&M matchup with them. 8 games and then just 🧁? JFC. Snoozefest league.
I watch a few B1G games when Pac 12 isn't on, but I mean wgaf about truck stop schools. Their last interesting season was 2016 when they had 3-4 schools in the mix. Last year the second best team was who? Indiana? Completely overrated conference.
The Big 12. lol. Red River Shootout! TCU! Kansas State. Kill me.
Pac 12 has the best parity, the schools are all completely different. No one has been able to monopolize it like the other power 5's, which is a strong indicator that all the schools are trying with the resources they have. They aren't just propping up SC and Oregon for a bigger payout. Other dynamics of the league makes it the most interesting conference, for me. Outside of 2% City the locations are more attractive to travel to. I don't need to go to shitty little college towns in a flat earth, poorer than shit region of the country.
No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14
That's my point. Pac 12 will stand still and watch the Big 12 try to be relevant without Texas and Oklahoma. Who gives a fuck, they sucked before this and they'll suck after this.
Oregon should jump ship. They suck ass academically and don't fit within anything but the SEC who is also
All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Last October it was "rumored" by the shitty Twitter sites (not looking for clicks at all) that SC was going to go independent and Utah was going to go Big 12. The same fear/peapatch porn takes were touted then too.
Reality: all of the schools, including Oregon, bowed down to Stanford and played the 4-7 game preseason shit show.
Reality: the Big 12 is the shittiest, most awkward Power 5 conference full of schools that don't move the needle academically, nor on the field. This is why UT and OU are thinking about leaving.
I hope they do try and take Utah and Colorado from us. Fuck those schools.
Pac 10 with no divisions would be amazing.
Why would it be amazing? It would still be a shit conference all things considered.
We don't agree on all this, and that's fine.
The ACC bores me outside of Miami. And they're more depressing than any former power.
The SEC bores the living fuck out of me, just a bunch of schools with 0 identity outside "it just means more". It's decent when a random school like Kentucky is good but Bama just feasts on everyone and waits for their playoff invite. I don't even watch the iron bowl, nor the marquee A&M matchup with them. 8 games and then just 🧁? JFC. Snoozefest league.
I watch a few B1G games when Pac 12 isn't on, but I mean wgaf about truck stop schools. Their last interesting season was 2016 when they had 3-4 schools in the mix. Last year the second best team was who? Indiana? Completely overrated conference.
The Big 12. lol. Red River Shootout! TCU! Kansas State. Kill me.
Pac 12 has the best parity, the schools are all completely different. No one has been able to monopolize it like the other power 5's, which is a strong indicator that all the schools are trying with the resources they have. They aren't just propping up SC and Oregon for a bigger payout. Other dynamics of the league makes it the most interesting conference, for me. Outside of 2% City the locations are more attractive to travel to. I don't need to go to shitty little college towns in a flat earth, poorer than shit region of the country.
This sounds like propaganda the AD would send out. Agree to disagree that’s fine.
I would much rather watch marquee matchups in the sec or when clemson/Ohio state have legit competition in their conference every few years.
Pac12 is a bunch of half full stadiums with mediocre programs for the most part. Auburn is a middle of the pack sec program most years but still beat the pac12 champ the last two full seasons and they just fired their coach for sucking. Sad to see how far the conference has fallen. Not a joke.
i just don’t see it, nor get excited for any of the matchups in the pac12. Ratings show the rest of the country doesn’t care about the pac12 either. But we will always have our academic smack talk.
No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14
That's my point. Pac 12 will stand still and watch the Big 12 try to be relevant without Texas and Oklahoma. Who gives a fuck, they sucked before this and they'll suck after this.
Oregon should jump ship. They suck ass academically and don't fit within anything but the SEC who is also
All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Last October it was "rumored" by the shitty Twitter sites (not looking for clicks at all) that SC was going to go independent and Utah was going to go Big 12. The same fear/peapatch porn takes were touted then too.
Reality: all of the schools, including Oregon, bowed down to Stanford and played the 4-7 game preseason shit show.
Reality: the Big 12 is the shittiest, most awkward Power 5 conference full of schools that don't move the needle academically, nor on the field. This is why UT and OU are thinking about leaving.
I hope they do try and take Utah and Colorado from us. Fuck those schools.
Pac 10 with no divisions would be amazing.
Why would it be amazing? It would still be a shit conference all things considered.
We don't agree on all this, and that's fine.
The ACC bores me outside of Miami. And they're more depressing than any former power.
The SEC bores the living fuck out of me, just a bunch of schools with 0 identity outside "it just means more". It's decent when a random school like Kentucky is good but Bama just feasts on everyone and waits for their playoff invite. I don't even watch the iron bowl, nor the marquee A&M matchup with them. 8 games and then just 🧁? JFC. Snoozefest league.
I watch a few B1G games when Pac 12 isn't on, but I mean wgaf about truck stop schools. Their last interesting season was 2016 when they had 3-4 schools in the mix. Last year the second best team was who? Indiana? Completely overrated conference.
The Big 12. lol. Red River Shootout! TCU! Kansas State. Kill me.
Pac 12 has the best parity, the schools are all completely different. No one has been able to monopolize it like the other power 5's, which is a strong indicator that all the schools are trying with the resources they have. They aren't just propping up SC and Oregon for a bigger payout. Other dynamics of the league makes it the most interesting conference, for me. Outside of 2% City the locations are more attractive to travel to. I don't need to go to shitty little college towns in a flat earth, poorer than shit region of the country.
This sounds like propaganda the AD would send out. Agree to disagree that’s fine.
I would much rather watch marquee matchups in the sec or when clemson/Ohio state have legit competition in their conference every few years.
Pac12 is a bunch of half full stadiums with mediocre programs for the most part. Auburn is a middle of the pack sec program most years but still beat the pac12 champ the last two full seasons and they just fired their coach for sucking. Sad to see how far the conference has fallen. Not a joke.
i just don’t see it, nor get excited for any of the matchups in the pac12. Ratings show the rest of the country doesn’t care about the pac12 either. But we will always have our academic smack talk.
When Clemson and OSU have competition? Seems like it's been a long time. Notre Dame sucks. So does Indiana. Michigan and Pedo are done with these staffs. MSU and Wisconsin suck. Virginia and Northwestern are making it to champ games now.
Oregon and Washington choked against Auburn, on the road (Oregon really fucking have that game away) and they also lost to mediocre ASU, Cal, and 2018 Oregon. Auburn has also beat their own conference champ iirc.
Half empty stadiums don't bother me. If schools don't like it, drop ticket prices and serve alcohol. The schools don't seem motivated to do so, but it doesn't mean that people don't care about the league.
Last I checked Pac 12 rivalries and marquee matchups are on prime time slots (Oregon Washington 2019 as an example, and UW was already essentially out of the north at that point). The only exception is the CCG.
Again, I see the new commissioner fixing all of this anyways with a new tv deal, consolidated Pac 12 Network that only has time to show football and basketball, and Vegas champ game.
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There’s a clear division even within the SEC of the have’s and have not’s
All this realignment talk is every where except west of the Rockies. and on some obscure college football bored
at least we be talking football kind of
The playoff isn’t devaluing Bowel Games in the way the pundits like to write about. It is just dickslapping reality into fans. The Rose, Sun, and Redbox Bowls that the grandfathers of the current players bled for are now the scraps that have fallen from the tables of the landed gentry. Those bowl payouts will allow the peasants to harvest another season of crops, so the plump goose at the table of Alabama, Ohio State, and other aristocrats can have gross carrots as decoration. You need those vegetables like you need a game on the 8:30 PST ESPN2 time slot; it rounds out the table, but it isn’t vital.
More and more people are realizing they are carrots. They pay to be carrots. Time, money, effort, and hope. Alabama feeds off the hope, like some kind of Saturday afternoon carrot munching Bugs Bunny Nesferatu. It’s what sustains the whole thing. Playing Clemson is not an accomplishment. Playing Clemson while 60 other carrot fan bases envy them, and wish for a generational talent for a chance to be like them - if just for one brief year, that is what sustains them.
The tiers are stratifying even further. I know it’s a played out trope here but it is true; some schools care and will try to not be left behind. The depressing thing is even if the school cares the vast majority has no chance of keeping up. Shaking up the conferences in such a manor is as big of a change as there could be to speed up the process.
But the real answer imho
Question is is that an upgrade from the AAC?
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Oregon should jump ship. They suck ass academically and don't fit within anything but the SEC who is also Last October it was "rumored" by the shitty Twitter sites (not looking for clicks at all) that SC was going to go independent and Utah was going to go Big 12. The same fear/peapatch porn takes were touted then too.
Reality: all of the schools, including Oregon, bowed down to Stanford and played the 4-7 game preseason shit show.
Reality: the Big 12 is the shittiest, most awkward Power 5 conference full of schools that don't move the needle academically, nor on the field. This is why UT and OU are thinking about leaving.
I hope they do try and take Utah and Colorado from us. Fuck those schools.
Pac 10 with no divisions would be amazing.
The ACC bores me outside of Miami. And they're more depressing than any former power.
The SEC bores the living fuck out of me, just a bunch of schools with 0 identity outside "it just means more". It's decent when a random school like Kentucky is good but Bama just feasts on everyone and waits for their playoff invite. I don't even watch the iron bowl, nor the marquee A&M matchup with them. 8 games and then just 🧁? JFC. Snoozefest league.
I watch a few B1G games when Pac 12 isn't on, but I mean wgaf about truck stop schools. Their last interesting season was 2016 when they had 3-4 schools in the mix. Last year the second best team was who? Indiana? Completely overrated conference.
The Big 12. lol. Red River Shootout! TCU! Kansas State. Kill me.
Pac 12 has the best parity, the schools are all completely different. No one has been able to monopolize it like the other power 5's, which is a strong indicator that all the schools are trying with the resources they have. They aren't just propping up SC and Oregon for a bigger payout. Other dynamics of the league makes it the most interesting conference, for me. Outside of 2% City the locations are more attractive to travel to. I don't need to go to shitty little college towns in a flat earth, poorer than shit region of the country.
I would much rather watch marquee matchups in the sec or when clemson/Ohio state have legit competition in their conference every few years.
Pac12 is a bunch of half full stadiums with mediocre programs for the most part. Auburn is a middle of the pack sec program most years but still beat the pac12 champ the last two full seasons and they just fired their coach for sucking. Sad to see how far the conference has fallen. Not a joke.
i just don’t see it, nor get excited for any of the matchups in the pac12. Ratings show the rest of the country doesn’t care about the pac12 either. But we will always have our academic smack talk.
Oregon and Washington choked against Auburn, on the road (Oregon really fucking have that game away) and they also lost to mediocre ASU, Cal, and 2018 Oregon. Auburn has also beat their own conference champ iirc.
Half empty stadiums don't bother me. If schools don't like it, drop ticket prices and serve alcohol. The schools don't seem motivated to do so, but it doesn't mean that people don't care about the league.
Last I checked Pac 12 rivalries and marquee matchups are on prime time slots (Oregon Washington 2019 as an example, and UW was already essentially out of the north at that point). The only exception is the CCG.
Again, I see the new commissioner fixing all of this anyways with a new tv deal, consolidated Pac 12 Network that only has time to show football and basketball, and Vegas champ game.