If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
Did you watch the fucking body cam video? She was plenty close enough to the woman she was about to gut.
Yes she was but the officers have to now decide is their own life worth sacrificing over the potential harm or even death of the victim. This is a serious quandry now and all I'm saying is the option should be considered.
So let the black girl stab and kill the other black girl and you'll be called a racist who is indifferent to protecting innocent black lives. Shoot the knife wielding black girl and you're a racist for killing an innocent young black girl. Oh, this is going to turn out great.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.
21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.
21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.
Well, that’s what they tell cops when they train them. People don’t go down immediately when they get shot. Especially ones on drugs or having psychotic episodes.
I posted a body cam video of a female cop unloading into a knife attacker and having to clear a jam. The don't go down like people think. She was lucky.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.
21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.
Well, that’s what they tell cops when they train them. People don’t go down immediately when they get shot. Especially ones on drugs or having psychotic episodes.
Fair poont. Just sayin 21 ft and a gun and this Bobcat walks away without a scrape. Like I said my feet work too. I’m quite ambulatory.
I posted a body cam video of a female cop unloading into a knife attacker and having to clear a jam. The don't go down like people think. She was lucky.
I posted a body cam video of a female cop unloading into a knife attacker and having to clear a jam. The don't go down like people think. She was lucky.
This. Creep, if you want to see some crazy shit, check out Donut Operator on YouTube. He’s a former cop who does a lot of police breakdown videos, and it’s unbelievable how many people don’t go down after getting shot repeatedly. It’s mind boggling.
Most cops have 9mm. Not sure what ammo they are using but probably not icky people killer bullets.
Cops definitely use people killer bullets. They aren’t shooting FMJs. Too much penetration and potential for collateral damage. They use personal defense hollow points like Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, etc. If they have to shoot someone, they want them going down as fast as possible. That’s not happening with FMJs.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.
21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.
21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.
21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.
Well, that’s what they tell cops when they train them. People don’t go down immediately when they get shot. Especially ones on drugs or having psychotic episodes.
Fair poont. Just sayin 21 ft and a gun and this Bobcat walks away without a scrape. Like I said my feet work too. I’m quite ambulatory.
The 21 ft rule is based on training scenarios where officers walk into an unknown situation with their weapon strapped and secure.
The other variable is that the “suspect” is a highly trained martial artist with a knife.
It simulates an unknown situation that officer’s may encounter, extreme as it is.
I’ve also seen videos of officer’s attacked from 21 feet and closer with their weapon secure AND KNOWING that the suspect is going to come at them. Same rule applies.
Bobcat has his weapon holstered and secure.
Respect knives and people who know how to use them.
Most cops have 9mm. Not sure what ammo they are using but probably not icky people killer bullets.
Cops definitely use people killer bullets. They aren’t shooting FMJs. Too much penetration and potential for collateral damage. They use personal defense hollow points like Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, etc. If they have to shoot someone, they want them going down as fast as possible. That’s not happening with FMJs.
Most cops have 9mm. Not sure what ammo they are using but probably not icky people killer bullets.
Cops definitely use people killer bullets. They aren’t shooting FMJs. Too much penetration and potential for collateral damage. They use personal defense hollow points like Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, etc. If they have to shoot someone, they want them going down as fast as possible. That’s not happening with FMJs.
Hollow points: 9 mm, 10 mm, .40 caliber, .45 caliber . . . Depends on the agency.
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21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.
The other variable is that the “suspect” is a highly trained martial artist with a knife.
It simulates an unknown situation that officer’s may encounter, extreme as it is.
I’ve also seen videos of officer’s attacked from 21 feet and closer with their weapon secure AND KNOWING that the suspect is going to come at them. Same rule applies.
Bobcat has his weapon holstered and secure.
Respect knives and people who know how to use them.