Another innocent "Angel" lost
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This. Creep, if you want to see some crazy shit, check out Donut Operator on YouTube. He’s a former cop who does a lot of police breakdown videos, and it’s unbelievable how many people don’t go down after getting shot repeatedly. It’s mind boggling.WestlinnDuck said:I posted a body cam video of a female cop unloading into a knife attacker and having to clear a jam. The don't go down like people think. She was lucky.
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Also, they do tend to go down quickly when you hit them in the head.WestlinnDuck said:Most cops have 9mm. Not sure what ammo they are using but probably not icky people killer bullets.
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Yeah but why couldn't the cop have just shot the knife out of her hand?creepycoug said:
Also, they do tend to go down quickly when you hit them in the head.WestlinnDuck said:Most cops have 9mm. Not sure what ammo they are using but probably not icky people killer bullets.
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That’s a tuff shot Cotton.SFGbob said:
Yeah but why couldn't the cop have just shot the knife out of her hand?creepycoug said:
Also, they do tend to go down quickly when you hit them in the head.WestlinnDuck said:Most cops have 9mm. Not sure what ammo they are using but probably not icky people killer bullets.
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I would have just let her stab the other chick then acted like I didn't have time then tased her.
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Cops definitely use people killer bullets. They aren’t shooting FMJs. Too much penetration and potential for collateral damage. They use personal defense hollow points like Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, etc. If they have to shoot someone, they want them going down as fast as possible. That’s not happening with FMJs.WestlinnDuck said:Most cops have 9mm. Not sure what ammo they are using but probably not icky people killer bullets.
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creepycoug said:EsophagealFeces said:SFGbob said:
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.RoadTrip said:If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.creepycoug said:
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.SFGbob said:
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.RoadTrip said:If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.creepycoug said:EsophagealFeces said:SFGbob said:
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.RoadTrip said:If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.creepycoug said:
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.SFGbob said:
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.RoadTrip said:If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.
The 21 ft rule is based on training scenarios where officers walk into an unknown situation with their weapon strapped and secure.creepycoug said:
Fair poont. Just sayin 21 ft and a gun and this Bobcat walks away without a scrape. Like I said my feet work too. I’m quite ambulatory.EsophagealFeces said:
Well, that’s what they tell cops when they train them. People don’t go down immediately when they get shot. Especially ones on drugs or having psychotic episodes.creepycoug said:EsophagealFeces said:SFGbob said:
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.RoadTrip said:If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
They say that if someone within 21 feet of you has a knife and heads towards you, you’re getting cut, no matter how fast you shoot. 21 feet is pretty fucking far.creepycoug said:
Depending on proximity. Within reach of the victim, yes. Needs to close the gap and the cop has some other weapon, then it's at least reasonable.SFGbob said:
A person swinging a butcher knife is an immediate life threatening reality.RoadTrip said:If the criminal has a gun, I agree but there are countless stories where they don't or the weapon is not immediately life threatening. In situations like this, I think using these alternatives methods could reduce the unfortunate cases of unnecessary death. I understand where you and WLD are coming from and you're probably right in that nothing will placate the left and media. They are promoting the violence not because they care about people dying but because they want more death and violence to keep them in power.
Of course, this then introduces the variable of the cop having to make choice of which weapon to use, and we've already seen how that can go down.
21 ft. I’ll have a word with “they”. Someone comes at me bro with a knife and there’s no ambiguity about their intent and I have a gun?
Creep’s not getting cut in that scenario. I’m not that slow with a weapon and my feet work well too.
The other variable is that the “suspect” is a highly trained martial artist with a knife.
It simulates an unknown situation that officer’s may encounter, extreme as it is.
I’ve also seen videos of officer’s attacked from 21 feet and closer with their weapon secure AND KNOWING that the suspect is going to come at them. Same rule applies.
Bobcat has his weapon holstered and secure.
Respect knives and people who know how to use them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=js0haocH4-o
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EsophagealFeces said:
Cops definitely use people killer bullets. They aren’t shooting FMJs. Too much penetration and potential for collateral damage. They use personal defense hollow points like Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, etc. If they have to shoot someone, they want them going down as fast as possible. That’s not happening with FMJs.WestlinnDuck said:Most cops have 9mm. Not sure what ammo they are using but probably not icky people killer bullets.
Hollow points: 9 mm, 10 mm, .40 caliber, .45 caliber . . . Depends on the agency.EsophagealFeces said:
Cops definitely use people killer bullets. They aren’t shooting FMJs. Too much penetration and potential for collateral damage. They use personal defense hollow points like Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, etc. If they have to shoot someone, they want them going down as fast as possible. That’s not happening with FMJs.WestlinnDuck said:Most cops have 9mm. Not sure what ammo they are using but probably not icky people killer bullets.
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Thats crazy talkGrundleStiltzkin said: -
Classic. As the crime and murder rates skyrocket in "defunded" cities, all the sudden Don and Chris are saying "lets be fair" to the cops they've unfairly maligned and piled onto for the past 5 years.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fuck both these privileged snots and fuck CNN, too. -
Don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. CNN came to that position toward the end of day yesterday.GrundleStiltzkin said: -
I actually run this drill on the range during training. Officers on the line loaded holstered. An officer behind the shooter 7 yards. On the signal the officers try and draw and for before being touched on the shoulder by the officer 7 yards behind. Not as realistic time wise as doing it dry with training guns as the officers running have to stop and can't over run or run into the shooter.
Most fail.
Knives are scary as Hell. If you've never seen the damage they can do its eye opening. Someone that knows how to really use them is nightmare bad.
