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Someone PM'd me asking my opinion of the Ted Cruz / Cancun thing

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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    So, just surrender, Middle. It’s best for everyone if you hand over your Property and all you’ve built to the Mob.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,780
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    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.

    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.
    Why even post such milquetoast? Advocating to go along to get along is the polar opposite of a principled stance.

    Admit it. You're a fence sitter because most issues are over your head and you just want to be comfortable all the time.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,780
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    Most every centrist I know is a fall-into-line Liberal on Election Day, after testing which way the wind is blowing.

    The most common refrain I hear from so-called "Centrists" is "I don't have time for all that stuff."

    So they vote the way their wife does so they aren't sleeping on the couch for the next 4 years.
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    PrestonluvPrestonluv Member Posts: 275
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    Most every centrist I know is a fall-into-line Liberal on Election Day, after testing which way the wind is blowing.

    The most common refrain I hear from so-called "Centrists" is "I don't have time for all that stuff."

    So they vote the way their wife does so they aren't sleeping on the couch for the next 4 years.

    Most I know are libertarian like me and not really centrists.

    If they don't vote for independents or Ls, Most tend to vote for more Rs then Ds locally and are split on presidential elections.

    Most also vote for politicians with least amount of tenure
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    NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
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    Turning DC into a military outpost is apparently “progress.” I just saw the walls and wires are up through summer because of “online chatter.”

    The FBI can sniff out six goobers in Michigan who were led into a kidnapping conspiracy of the the governor, but would have no clue if a coordinated army of tens of thousands of citizens attacked DC? Impossible.

    It’s such a stupid excuse, but then again, Rats are pushing it and their bootlickers just go along.
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    TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
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    Tequilla said:

    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.

    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.
    When you’re starting position is signaling that the left is right and just with the words leveraged to talk about the center/left being effectively people stuck in the past ...

    Regardless of where you fall on the spectrum anybody that doesn’t at minimum value the opinions of others is already starting from a flawed starting point
    I don’t think progress is inherently good. Nor does wanting progress guarantee progress.

    That framing is generous and correct. If you’re taking issue with how it made you feel, that’s your issue. I think both the status quo and the past have value.
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    TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
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    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.

    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.
    The left wants to "progress".

    Bullshit. Standard Orewellian redefinition of terms.

    The leftists want to tear down the fundamental tenants of the democratic republic.

    Big difference between doing a little remodeling and burning classic architecture to the ground.



    Remind me which side stormed the capitol to overturn a fair democratic election?
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    TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
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    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.

    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.
    Why even post such milquetoast? Advocating to go along to get along is the polar opposite of a principled stance.

    Admit it. You're a fence sitter because most issues are over your head and you just want to be comfortable all the time.
    I don’t even know what point you think you’re making. I’m a fucking socialist, fence sitter? Are you lost?
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,255
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    edited February 2021

    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.

    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.
    The left wants to "progress".

    Bullshit. Standard Orewellian redefinition of terms.

    The leftists want to tear down the fundamental tenants of the democratic republic.

    Big difference between doing a little remodeling and burning classic architecture to the ground.



    Remind me which side stormed the capitol to overturn a fair democratic election?
    John Sullivan was a leftist.




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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,780
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    edited February 2021

    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.
    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.

    Why even post such milquetoast? Advocating to go along to get along is the polar opposite of a principled stance.
    Admit it. You're a fence sitter because most issues are over your head and you just want to be comfortable all the time.
    I don’t even know what point you think you’re making. I’m a fucking socialist, fence sitter? Are you lost?
    Though I could not have been clearer, I'm sorry that what I wrote confuses you so much.

    You just cemented my point. Without realizing it, of course.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,780
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    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.

    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.
    The left wants to "progress".

    Bullshit. Standard Orewellian redefinition of terms.

    The leftists want to tear down the fundamental tenants of the democratic republic.

    Big difference between doing a little remodeling and burning classic architecture to the ground.

    Remind me which side stormed the capitol to overturn a fair democratic election?
    And burned it to the ground? Oh, wait..
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    HustlinOwlHustlinOwl Member Posts: 953
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    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    This isn't a right or left thing. This is one side trying to take away rights. The left literally has supported more violence by their silence than I have ever seen in my life. FFS they are trying now to erase history. Destroy statues, eliminate names on schools, federal buildings, etc. Erase the history of men and women who made sacrifices for our country. They are teaching our children that the color of their skin makes them racist. Can anyone believe that? This week the left proposed a bill that will fundamentally change our country forever. The reason they are doing it? They believe if they give 15 million illegals the vote, the "right" will never win another election. The bill to take away a persons right to own firearms is already in the works. One side is wiretapping campaign HQ's and getting away with it. Colluding with Russians and then trying to impeach a President who DIDN'T collude with Russian's. The left literally attempted twice to take away the votes of 70 million people without any cause whatsoever. We just elected a man who is tied to so much corruption and is a proven liar its unbelievable that he was even allowed to run for the office. There will be no special prosecutor because it is the left's guy.

    This is not a left or right thing. This is a fight for our rights. A fight to have the right to make an impact with a vote and not have the violent minority rule over the majority. A fight to recognize that this country has done more good for the world than any other in history, not the racist cesspool the left is telling the world it is.
    Save it. You're not in the demographic of seemingly intelligent people.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,780
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    edited February 2021

    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    This isn't a right or left thing. This is one side trying to take away rights. The left literally has supported more violence by their silence than I have ever seen in my life. FFS they are trying now to erase history. Destroy statues, eliminate names on schools, federal buildings, etc. Erase the history of men and women who made sacrifices for our country. They are teaching our children that the color of their skin makes them racist. Can anyone believe that? This week the left proposed a bill that will fundamentally change our country forever. The reason they are doing it? They believe if they give 15 million illegals the vote, the "right" will never win another election. The bill to take away a persons right to own firearms is already in the works. One side is wiretapping campaign HQ's and getting away with it. Colluding with Russians and then trying to impeach a President who DIDN'T collude with Russian's. The left literally attempted twice to take away the votes of 70 million people without any cause whatsoever. We just elected a man who is tied to so much corruption and is a proven liar its unbelievable that he was even allowed to run for the office. There will be no special prosecutor because it is the left's guy.

    This is not a left or right thing. This is a fight for our rights. A fight to have the right to make an impact with a vote and not have the violent minority rule over the majority. A fight to recognize that this country has done more good for the world than any other in history, not the racist cesspool the left is telling the world it is.
    Save it. You're not in the demographic of seemingly intelligent people.
    Like I said previously, you Libs are in over your heads most of the time.

    So you vote like the TV says, because forming your own coherent opinions, is, well, never gonna happen.
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    TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
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    Tequilla said:

    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.

    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.
    Yes. I like my status quo. I worked for it. And it’s pretty good. It’s a reasonable compromise to run an ordered society.

    It ain’t even gonna be perfect man. I pay a shit load of taxes and have for a good long while, much of it for purposes of helping others. Happy to do it but at some point it’s too much.
    Framing can do a lot of work.

    See I could say, you want society ordered the way it is, I want socialism, let’s compromise and do universal healthcare and free college.

    Why aren’t you willing to do that? I thought you liked compromise? Why are you being such an ideologue? Every other developed country has a form of universal healthcare, why are you so extreme?

    I voted for Biden, come on man. This whole “you won’t compromise, you’re demanding a perfect world” schtick only pushes people like me away.
    Healthcare is complicated for a number of reasons so I’m not that interested in getting into it now

    That said, can you understand why there are people that are at least not fully supportive of continuing education past the the high school level?

    There’s always nuance between none and all
    I have not heard a good argument for not making college tuition free. If it’s going to be some shit about not being fair to people that already paid, don’t waste our time.
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 14,294
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    "I have not heard a good argument for not making college tuition free. If it’s going to be some shit about not being fair to people that already paid, don’t waste our time."

    How about we can't afford it and college is less than worthless for most students. You being the poster boy for idiocy.
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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,375
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    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    This isn't a right or left thing. This is one side trying to take away rights. The left literally has supported more violence by their silence than I have ever seen in my life. FFS they are trying now to erase history. Destroy statues, eliminate names on schools, federal buildings, etc. Erase the history of men and women who made sacrifices for our country. They are teaching our children that the color of their skin makes them racist. Can anyone believe that? This week the left proposed a bill that will fundamentally change our country forever. The reason they are doing it? They believe if they give 15 million illegals the vote, the "right" will never win another election. The bill to take away a persons right to own firearms is already in the works. One side is wiretapping campaign HQ's and getting away with it. Colluding with Russians and then trying to impeach a President who DIDN'T collude with Russian's. The left literally attempted twice to take away the votes of 70 million people without any cause whatsoever. We just elected a man who is tied to so much corruption and is a proven liar its unbelievable that he was even allowed to run for the office. There will be no special prosecutor because it is the left's guy.

    This is not a left or right thing. This is a fight for our rights. A fight to have the right to make an impact with a vote and not have the violent minority rule over the majority. A fight to recognize that this country has done more good for the world than any other in history, not the racist cesspool the left is telling the world it is.
    So, it is a right or left thing.
    Wrong again asshole. When the mid terms come, many who voted for that idiot biden because they didn't like Trumps tweets will put Reps back in charge of the House and Senate. They will recognize the fucked up fascism they enabled with their vote for that idiot biden and right the ship. BO crossed lines, Clinton, Reagan, Bush 1. The far left has already alienated 1000's on the center left. When they force the open borders on the country they will lose the rest of the moderate left. If they get the higher taxes, watch out. You think only R's hunt? Start taking away their rights on guns and I will show you a bunch of D hunters here in the South who will never vote for a rat again. You ;must believe that every democrat on campus at UofW believes in the erasure of George Washington's reference on campus, in the schools name and the State itself. You would be wrong.

    As I said before, this is a freedom thing. The socialists will wear their welcome out real quick, we might even see Reagan type numbers in the next election which screams that this is not a right or left thing. It is a fight against those far left who are attempting to take away rights and erase everything that makes their vag hurt and it is affecting those on both sides who will react accordingly.

    No offense BItR, but why not try and engage CC on an intellectual level? Perhaps his short response wasn't as open to discussion as it could have been but calling him an asshole pretty much closes down a discussuon which IMO needs to happen in this country.
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    TheKobeStopperTheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
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    "I have not heard a good argument for not making college tuition free. If it’s going to be some shit about not being fair to people that already paid, don’t waste our time."

    How about we can't afford it and college is less than worthless for most students. You being the poster boy for idiocy.

    We absolutely can afford it. I’m not even going to address the fascist argument that education is worthless.
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    NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
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    Tequilla said:

    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.

    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.
    Yes. I like my status quo. I worked for it. And it’s pretty good. It’s a reasonable compromise to run an ordered society.

    It ain’t even gonna be perfect man. I pay a shit load of taxes and have for a good long while, much of it for purposes of helping others. Happy to do it but at some point it’s too much.
    Framing can do a lot of work.

    See I could say, you want society ordered the way it is, I want socialism, let’s compromise and do universal healthcare and free college.

    Why aren’t you willing to do that? I thought you liked compromise? Why are you being such an ideologue? Every other developed country has a form of universal healthcare, why are you so extreme?

    I voted for Biden, come on man. This whole “you won’t compromise, you’re demanding a perfect world” schtick only pushes people like me away.
    Healthcare is complicated for a number of reasons so I’m not that interested in getting into it now

    That said, can you understand why there are people that are at least not fully supportive of continuing education past the the high school level?

    There’s always nuance between none and all
    I have not heard a good argument for not making college tuition free. If it’s going to be some shit about not being fair to people that already paid, don’t waste our time.
    Because it isn’t free, and if idiots like you are a product of the current university system, you’re not getting a dime from me to pay for brainwashed idiots like you “studying” Liberal Arts and going $200,000 in debt for it.

    Anyhow, Biden said last week there will be no student debt relief. Take it up with him, guy.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,255
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    edited February 2021

    Tequilla said:

    We need to be an issue based political society

    This right left shit is out of hand.

    Ted Cruz is a corrupt POS
    AOC is a corrupt POS
    Rudy Guliani is a corrupt POS
    Andrew Cuomo is a murderer
    Trump is a narcissist
    Biden doesn't remember yesterday

    I mean fantastic leadership all around. This is what a corrupt two party system has brought us

    The right left shit is crazy. Even seemingly intelligent people pick a side and dig in.
    “Left vs right” is framing. The middle is every bit a side as anything else. The left wants to progress, the right wants to conserve what we had and the middle wants to maintain where we are.

    It would actually be hugely beneficial if the middle would just admit that their position is based on protecting the status quo because they live comfortable lives and don’t want too much to change. It’s not better than people that believe the left is always correct or the right is always correct, it’s just a different flavor.
    Yes. I like my status quo. I worked for it. And it’s pretty good. It’s a reasonable compromise to run an ordered society.

    It ain’t even gonna be perfect man. I pay a shit load of taxes and have for a good long while, much of it for purposes of helping others. Happy to do it but at some point it’s too much.
    Framing can do a lot of work.

    See I could say, you want society ordered the way it is, I want socialism, let’s compromise and do universal healthcare and free college.

    Why aren’t you willing to do that? I thought you liked compromise? Why are you being such an ideologue? Every other developed country has a form of universal healthcare, why are you so extreme?

    I voted for Biden, come on man. This whole “you won’t compromise, you’re demanding a perfect world” schtick only pushes people like me away.
    Healthcare is complicated for a number of reasons so I’m not that interested in getting into it now

    That said, can you understand why there are people that are at least not fully supportive of continuing education past the the high school level?

    There’s always nuance between none and all
    I have not heard a good argument for not making college tuition free. If it’s going to be some shit about not being fair to people that already paid, don’t waste our time.
    I have not heard a good argument for not making housing free - one in Costa Rica, please. Don't bother me with some shit about not being fair to people that already paid, don't waste our time.

    I want hookers and blow every Thursday. Don't bother me with some shit about not being fair to people that already paid, don't waste our time.

    I want filet mignon not that shitty sirloin. Don't bother me with some shit about not being fair to people that already paid, don't waste our time.


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