I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
I can't say that I haven't had that run through my mind. You line up a 63 356 with a modern-day 911, and, yeah. You know which one is faster, safer and can do moar shit.
Still, a mint condition 356 is just a beauty and it's about nostalgia. I think that's it. Like many things in life, it's not rationale.
I mean, come on ...
My classic 911, if I had to, would be the ol' Hank Moody:
Only not the Cabriolet, because those don't last long when you park them under a tree.
I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
Look, I get you. There's newer stuff. There's better stuff. But there's nothing like Dick Butkus or Jim Brown.
And there's nothing like the DP935, either. Will your GT3RS go faster? Maybe. But that's not always the point. Just look at this fucking thing. Panties in the general vicinity just start falling. This is my classic dream car. It will always be fucking awesome because fucking awesome doesn't age.
Sweet car, definitely more up my alley. Is 1983 "classic" now, though? That's coming dangerously close to making me a collectible...
Our high school parking lot was filled with today's classic American cars. If we had only known. The high school lot was filled because they were cheap and easy to work on
And the bodies were heavenly
I'd take a 67 GTO and makes the guts 2021 down to Bluetooth
I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
The point is not buying something that's better. Of course newer cars are better. Shit, some modern minivans are faster than many of the old thumping V8 muscle cars of the 60's. The point is the style, the era...that the classic car is something that an entire culture was built around. Go cruise a new GT3RS and most people assume you're just another rich asshole who has more money than taste. Drive a 1963 Corvette and people think you're probably a cool guy to hang out with and talk cars.
Classic cars are also limited-supply assets - they are never building more of those cars.
I won't disagree that you'll never lack for potential friends if you have a classic show car: There are plenty of people who are into it, and those who are tend to be INTO it. Then again, a lot of people are also into country music, but that doesn't mean it makes sense...
"Remember when everyone had cars but they all handled like boats, had shitty brakes, broke down constantly, were totally unsafe, uncomfortable, and most looked like vacuum cleaner nozzles with fins? Well I popped my cherry in the backseat of one with Suzie Rottencrotch back in '73, so I think I'll spend the cost of a new luxury sport sedan on restoring one (read: pay somebody to restore it) and we can all get together and compare our shrines to our lost youth."
A quick Google search tells me the median sale price for a '63 Corvette is over $70K. People spend six-figures on those things. And the guy with his very own Ring Taxi is the one with more money than taste?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I know that nostalgia is the reason for the classic car/bike/movie/music/etc. obsession, I just don't understand why. Just because I was chasing tail and partying down in college while drinking Keystone Premium and Coors light doesn't mean there's a fridge full of canned piss in the shop. There are simply better things now.
I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
The point is not buying something that's better. Of course newer cars are better. Shit, some modern minivans are faster than many of the old thumping V8 muscle cars of the 60's. The point is the style, the era...that the classic car is something that an entire culture was built around. Go cruise a new GT3RS and most people assume you're just another rich asshole who has more money than taste. Drive a 1963 Corvette and people think you're probably a cool guy to hang out with and talk cars.
Classic cars are also limited-supply assets - they are never building more of those cars.
I won't disagree that you'll never lack for potential friends if you have a classic show car: There are plenty of people who are into it, and those who are tend to be INTO it. Then again, a lot of people are also into country music, but that doesn't mean it makes sense...
"Remember when everyone had cars but they all handled like boats, had shitty brakes, broke down constantly, were totally unsafe, uncomfortable, and most looked like vacuum cleaner nozzles with fins? Well I popped my cherry in the backseat of one with Suzie Rottencrotch back in '73, so I think I'll spend the cost of a new luxury sport sedan on restoring one (read: pay somebody to restore it) and we can all get together and compare our shrines to our lost youth."
A quick Google search tells me the median sale price for a '63 Corvette is over $70K. People spend six-figures on those things. And the guy with his very own Ring Taxi is the one with more money than taste?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I know that nostalgia is the reason for the classic car/bike/movie/music/etc. obsession, I just don't understand why. Just because I was chasing tail and partying down in college while drinking Keystone Premium and Coors light doesn't mean there's a fridge full of canned piss in the shop. There are simply better things now.
If we’re trashing banging Gina Rottencrotch on the bench seat of my 70 Chevy truck, I’m out.
I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
The point is not buying something that's better. Of course newer cars are better. Shit, some modern minivans are faster than many of the old thumping V8 muscle cars of the 60's. The point is the style, the era...that the classic car is something that an entire culture was built around. Go cruise a new GT3RS and most people assume you're just another rich asshole who has more money than taste. Drive a 1963 Corvette and people think you're probably a cool guy to hang out with and talk cars.
Classic cars are also limited-supply assets - they are never building more of those cars.
I won't disagree that you'll never lack for potential friends if you have a classic show car: There are plenty of people who are into it, and those who are tend to be INTO it. Then again, a lot of people are also into country music, but that doesn't mean it makes sense...
"Remember when everyone had cars but they all handled like boats, had shitty brakes, broke down constantly, were totally unsafe, uncomfortable, and most looked like vacuum cleaner nozzles with fins? Well I popped my cherry in the backseat of one with Suzie Rottencrotch back in '73, so I think I'll spend the cost of a new luxury sport sedan on restoring one (read: pay somebody to restore it) and we can all get together and compare our shrines to our lost youth."
A quick Google search tells me the median sale price for a '63 Corvette is over $70K. People spend six-figures on those things. And the guy with his very own Ring Taxi is the one with more money than taste?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I know that nostalgia is the reason for the classic car/bike/movie/music/etc. obsession, I just don't understand why. Just because I was chasing tail and partying down in college while drinking Keystone Premium and Coors light doesn't mean there's a fridge full of canned piss in the shop. There are simply better things now.
I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
The point is not buying something that's better. Of course newer cars are better. Shit, some modern minivans are faster than many of the old thumping V8 muscle cars of the 60's. The point is the style, the era...that the classic car is something that an entire culture was built around. Go cruise a new GT3RS and most people assume you're just another rich asshole who has more money than taste. Drive a 1963 Corvette and people think you're probably a cool guy to hang out with and talk cars.
Classic cars are also limited-supply assets - they are never building more of those cars.
I won't disagree that you'll never lack for potential friends if you have a classic show car: There are plenty of people who are into it, and those who are tend to be INTO it. Then again, a lot of people are also into country music, but that doesn't mean it makes sense...
"Remember when everyone had cars but they all handled like boats, had shitty brakes, broke down constantly, were totally unsafe, uncomfortable, and most looked like vacuum cleaner nozzles with fins? Well I popped my cherry in the backseat of one with Suzie Rottencrotch back in '73, so I think I'll spend the cost of a new luxury sport sedan on restoring one (read: pay somebody to restore it) and we can all get together and compare our shrines to our lost youth."
A quick Google search tells me the median sale price for a '63 Corvette is over $70K. People spend six-figures on those things. And the guy with his very own Ring Taxi is the one with more money than taste?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I know that nostalgia is the reason for the classic car/bike/movie/music/etc. obsession, I just don't understand why. Just because I was chasing tail and partying down in college while drinking Keystone Premium and Coors light doesn't mean there's a fridge full of canned piss in the shop. There are simply better things now.
If that's your answer you don't understand car culture.
I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
The point is not buying something that's better. Of course newer cars are better. Shit, some modern minivans are faster than many of the old thumping V8 muscle cars of the 60's. The point is the style, the era...that the classic car is something that an entire culture was built around. Go cruise a new GT3RS and most people assume you're just another rich asshole who has more money than taste. Drive a 1963 Corvette and people think you're probably a cool guy to hang out with and talk cars.
Classic cars are also limited-supply assets - they are never building more of those cars.
I won't disagree that you'll never lack for potential friends if you have a classic show car: There are plenty of people who are into it, and those who are tend to be INTO it. Then again, a lot of people are also into country music, but that doesn't mean it makes sense...
"Remember when everyone had cars but they all handled like boats, had shitty brakes, broke down constantly, were totally unsafe, uncomfortable, and most looked like vacuum cleaner nozzles with fins? Well I popped my cherry in the backseat of one with Suzie Rottencrotch back in '73, so I think I'll spend the cost of a new luxury sport sedan on restoring one (read: pay somebody to restore it) and we can all get together and compare our shrines to our lost youth."
A quick Google search tells me the median sale price for a '63 Corvette is over $70K. People spend six-figures on those things. And the guy with his very own Ring Taxi is the one with more money than taste?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I know that nostalgia is the reason for the classic car/bike/movie/music/etc. obsession, I just don't understand why. Just because I was chasing tail and partying down in college while drinking Keystone Premium and Coors light doesn't mean there's a fridge full of canned piss in the shop. There are simply better things now.
I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
The point is not buying something that's better. Of course newer cars are better. Shit, some modern minivans are faster than many of the old thumping V8 muscle cars of the 60's. The point is the style, the era...that the classic car is something that an entire culture was built around. Go cruise a new GT3RS and most people assume you're just another rich asshole who has more money than taste. Drive a 1963 Corvette and people think you're probably a cool guy to hang out with and talk cars.
Classic cars are also limited-supply assets - they are never building more of those cars.
I won't disagree that you'll never lack for potential friends if you have a classic show car: There are plenty of people who are into it, and those who are tend to be INTO it. Then again, a lot of people are also into country music, but that doesn't mean it makes sense...
"Remember when everyone had cars but they all handled like boats, had shitty brakes, broke down constantly, were totally unsafe, uncomfortable, and most looked like vacuum cleaner nozzles with fins? Well I popped my cherry in the backseat of one with Suzie Rottencrotch back in '73, so I think I'll spend the cost of a new luxury sport sedan on restoring one (read: pay somebody to restore it) and we can all get together and compare our shrines to our lost youth."
A quick Google search tells me the median sale price for a '63 Corvette is over $70K. People spend six-figures on those things. And the guy with his very own Ring Taxi is the one with more money than taste?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I know that nostalgia is the reason for the classic car/bike/movie/music/etc. obsession, I just don't understand why. Just because I was chasing tail and partying down in college while drinking Keystone Premium and Coors light doesn't mean there's a fridge full of canned piss in the shop. There are simply better things now.
If that's your answer you don't understand car culture.
It's almost as if I literally typed, "I just don't understand why."
That being said, I'd rather understand cars than "car culture," and I'm pretty confident that I do.
Thought about posting this for some time. I decided this is a thread about cars and car guys, here it is. It is in transit from Denver to Tampa so that I can pick it up when I visit my daughter next week. Sorry, this is what the dealer provided. I haven't seen it in person.
I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
The point is not buying something that's better. Of course newer cars are better. Shit, some modern minivans are faster than many of the old thumping V8 muscle cars of the 60's. The point is the style, the era...that the classic car is something that an entire culture was built around. Go cruise a new GT3RS and most people assume you're just another rich asshole who has more money than taste. Drive a 1963 Corvette and people think you're probably a cool guy to hang out with and talk cars.
Classic cars are also limited-supply assets - they are never building more of those cars.
I won't disagree that you'll never lack for potential friends if you have a classic show car: There are plenty of people who are into it, and those who are tend to be INTO it. Then again, a lot of people are also into country music, but that doesn't mean it makes sense...
"Remember when everyone had cars but they all handled like boats, had shitty brakes, broke down constantly, were totally unsafe, uncomfortable, and most looked like vacuum cleaner nozzles with fins? Well I popped my cherry in the backseat of one with Suzie Rottencrotch back in '73, so I think I'll spend the cost of a new luxury sport sedan on restoring one (read: pay somebody to restore it) and we can all get together and compare our shrines to our lost youth."
A quick Google search tells me the median sale price for a '63 Corvette is over $70K. People spend six-figures on those things. And the guy with his very own Ring Taxi is the one with more money than taste?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I know that nostalgia is the reason for the classic car/bike/movie/music/etc. obsession, I just don't understand why. Just because I was chasing tail and partying down in college while drinking Keystone Premium and Coors light doesn't mean there's a fridge full of canned piss in the shop. There are simply better things now.
I've never understood the obsession with classics. Classic anything. Progress is good, and usually things improve over time. I think AC Cobras are pretty timeless. So is the design of a lot of old British roadsters. Old 911s. Then again, you know what's better than an old 911 in every single way possible, including looks? A current GT3RS (or, hell, even a Cayman GT4 for a lot less money).
My FIL owns about 50 cars. I think about six of them run and drive. One is an early 1960s Jaguar XK 160 that used to be a race car. It looks pretty cool, but it was shit to drive. Ditto the Austin Healey Sprite. That thing was downright scary. No motor, no brakes, no seatbelts...
There was a time when I had a poster on my wall of a Ducati 998R. I thought it was the most beautiful machine that had ever been or ever would be built. I've been proven wrong so many times since.
I've always wished I had the time to pick up an old car and restore it (something tiny and light like a BMW 1600 that you can't get anymore), but my idea of "restore" would be pretty much to ditch the entire power train, chassis underpinnings, and interior and modernize them. At which point just buying a new car and saving myself the 1000 hours of work starts to sound more appealing. Look up "Project Binky" on YouTube for my kind of crazy (that I have no time and/or money for).
The point is not buying something that's better. Of course newer cars are better. Shit, some modern minivans are faster than many of the old thumping V8 muscle cars of the 60's. The point is the style, the era...that the classic car is something that an entire culture was built around. Go cruise a new GT3RS and most people assume you're just another rich asshole who has more money than taste. Drive a 1963 Corvette and people think you're probably a cool guy to hang out with and talk cars.
Classic cars are also limited-supply assets - they are never building more of those cars.
I won't disagree that you'll never lack for potential friends if you have a classic show car: There are plenty of people who are into it, and those who are tend to be INTO it. Then again, a lot of people are also into country music, but that doesn't mean it makes sense...
"Remember when everyone had cars but they all handled like boats, had shitty brakes, broke down constantly, were totally unsafe, uncomfortable, and most looked like vacuum cleaner nozzles with fins? Well I popped my cherry in the backseat of one with Suzie Rottencrotch back in '73, so I think I'll spend the cost of a new luxury sport sedan on restoring one (read: pay somebody to restore it) and we can all get together and compare our shrines to our lost youth."
A quick Google search tells me the median sale price for a '63 Corvette is over $70K. People spend six-figures on those things. And the guy with his very own Ring Taxi is the one with more money than taste?
I guess what I'm getting at is that I know that nostalgia is the reason for the classic car/bike/movie/music/etc. obsession, I just don't understand why. Just because I was chasing tail and partying down in college while drinking Keystone Premium and Coors light doesn't mean there's a fridge full of canned piss in the shop. There are simply better things now.
If that's your answer you don't understand car culture.
It's almost as if I literally typed, "I just don't understand why."
That being said, I'd rather understand cars than "car culture," and I'm pretty confident that I do.
If stats are how you judge cars and whether or not they're "good" you're probably not a car guy. Cars aren't TV's or appliances where you just look at the stat sheet and know which is best. Not everyone wants to own something based on how fast it laps a track, which is the most pointless talking point of all time since most modern performance cars aren't tracked at all and sit in traffic like the rest of society in their Camry's and SUV's.
Buying a classic car is buying rolling art. It's about how it makes you feel when you're behind the wheel. They're an emotional purchase, not a rational one.
I like to call the Chevrolet Corvette the 'vette. I like to call it that. It's something I like to do.
This is where BW tells the story of when his dad won the Fisher Body Craftsman's Guild national award in 1960 and the GM guys took him into a room and said WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA FOR THIS CAR YOU DESIGNED and he said I just designed it myself and they said well it's pretty much the design for the 1964 Stingray so you better keep your mouth shut sign this NDA dammit
If stats are how you judge cars and whether or not they're "good" you're probably not a car guy. Cars aren't TV's or appliances where you just look at the stat sheet and know which is best. Not everyone wants to own something based on how fast it laps a track, which is the most pointless talking point of all time since most modern performance cars aren't tracked at all and sit in traffic like the rest of society in their Camry's and SUV's.
Buying a classic car is buying rolling art. It's about how it makes you feel when you're behind the wheel. They're an emotional purchase, not a rational one.
You ever hear of a No True Scotsman argument? Look it up. We've definitively concluded that I don't meet one man's definition of a "car guy," but I don't see why that's earth-shattering information. It would be like me saying that if you think a car is nothing but rolling art, you're probably more of a poseur than a car guy. By my definition. Which isn't worth shit.
I could clamp the Mona Lisa to an original Radio Flyer and it would be rolling art, older than any car discussed in this thread, and magnitudes more rare and valuable. And I wouldn't want to own or drive it! Fuck rolling art. It's funny that you mention TVs and appliances. TVs now are flat, featureless sheets of glass. The screen is all that matters. Back in the day of these "amazing" classic cars, a television's design was important. The technology didn't exist to hide bezels and beam controls from a remote. A TV was a piece of furniture, and the high end ones had a lot of care in their design and aesthetic features and finishes. There was wood paneling and shiny knobs and chrome. Pieces or art some of those things were! That's why so many people painstakingly restore them and keep them in their living rooms and invite people over to show them off. Real attention-getters, those ornate television sets from the 60s.
I mean, check this thing out:
Look at all the details and the different materials and "classic" form. Definitely a design language from an era. A whole culture of watching TV started around sets like that, and they're not making any more like it. Kind of reminds me of something else...
Only difference between those two things is a bunch of people's boomer dads felt up their first date inside of one of them and not the other. I probably would have marveled at the form and function of both if I were a kid looking at one back in their heyday, but now, with the benefit of knowing what's come since, they both look awfully silly to me. Like wearing powdered wigs or those giant dresses and decorative umbrellas and crazy hats.
All I'm saying is gimme Blu82's C8 Corvette any day over any boomermobile. From a driving standpoint, engineering standpoint, comfort standpoint, build quality standpoint, and "rolling art" standpoint.
In addition to Jeeps, I am a Porsche nut, even though I've never owned one. Risky Business started a love affair with hookers and Porsche that exists to this day. It's funny, I was 911 all the time forever, but the Panamera has started to appeal to me. A grand tourer sounds fun. My neighbors Dad has a newer 911 and he let me drive it. It was cool, but tbh I think I'd get tired of shoehorning myself into it. If these fuckers at Orkin would ever give me a raise I might just buy a Panamera.
If stats are how you judge cars and whether or not they're "good" you're probably not a car guy. Cars aren't TV's or appliances where you just look at the stat sheet and know which is best. Not everyone wants to own something based on how fast it laps a track, which is the most pointless talking point of all time since most modern performance cars aren't tracked at all and sit in traffic like the rest of society in their Camry's and SUV's.
Buying a classic car is buying rolling art. It's about how it makes you feel when you're behind the wheel. They're an emotional purchase, not a rational one.
You ever hear of a No True Scotsman argument? Look it up. We've definitively concluded that I don't meet one man's definition of a "car guy," but I don't see why that's earth-shattering information. It would be like me saying that if you think a car is nothing but rolling art, you're probably more of a poseur than a car guy. By my definition. Which isn't worth shit.
I could clamp the Mona Lisa to an original Radio Flyer and it would be rolling art, older than any car discussed in this thread, and magnitudes more rare and valuable. And I wouldn't want to own or drive it! Fuck rolling art. It's funny that you mention TVs and appliances. TVs now are flat, featureless sheets of glass. The screen is all that matters. Back in the day of these "amazing" classic cars, a television's design was important. The technology didn't exist to hide bezels and beam controls from a remote. A TV was a piece of furniture, and the high end ones had a lot of care in their design and aesthetic features and finishes. There was wood paneling and shiny knobs and chrome. Pieces or art some of those things were! That's why so many people painstakingly restore them and keep them in their living rooms and invite people over to show them off. Real attention-getters, those ornate television sets from the 60s.
I mean, check this thing out:
Look at all the details and the different materials and "classic" form. Definitely a design language from an era. A whole culture of watching TV started around sets like that, and they're not making any more like it. Kind of reminds me of something else...
Only difference between those two things is a bunch of people's boomer dads felt up their first date inside of one of them and not the other. I probably would have marveled at the form and function of both if I were a kid looking at one back in their heyday, but now, with the benefit of knowing what's come since, they both look awfully silly to me. Like wearing powdered wigs or those giant dresses and decorative umbrellas and crazy hats.
All I'm saying is gimme Blu82's C8 Corvette any day over any boomermobile. From a driving standpoint, engineering standpoint, comfort standpoint, build quality standpoint, and "rolling art" standpoint.
Compare that old Chevy to the modern family sedan. It's not a comparison of which has more style (old Chevy). I'm 39. Not an old fart. Modern cars, by and large, are less interesting. But they are clearly superior from a driving perspective. Some people just have to have the best, shiniest toy or the brand new iphone every 6 months.
I'll be curious to hear your opinion of a 2021 Porsche GT3 in 20 years because by all measures at that point in the future it will be entirely inferior car. That doesn't mean it won't be a great car, though.
By the way, anyone know much about late 70's Corvette Stingrays? My 14 year old wants one for high school. I was surprised to learn you can get one in decent shape for under $20k.
In addition to Jeeps, I am a Porsche nut, even though I've never owned one. Risky Business started a love affair with hookers and Porsche that exists to this day. It's funny, I was 911 all the time forever, but the Panamera has started to appeal to me. A grand tourer sounds fun. My neighbors Dad has a newer 911 and he let me drive it. It was cool, but tbh I think I'd get tired of shoehorning myself into it. If these fuckers at Orkin would ever give me a raise I might just buy a Panamera.
My neighbor has one. I'd ask him what he thinks about it but we don't like each other. So it's like that.
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Only not the Cabriolet, because those don't last long when you park them under a tree.
And the bodies were heavenly
I'd take a 67 GTO and makes the guts 2021 down to Bluetooth
My first car was a 64 Nova
Never had a better one
But still ....
@BennyBeaver
That being said, I'd rather understand cars than "car culture," and I'm pretty confident that I do.
It is in transit from Denver to Tampa so that I can pick it up when I visit my daughter next week. Sorry, this is what the dealer provided. I haven't seen it in person.
Buying a classic car is buying rolling art. It's about how it makes you feel when you're behind the wheel. They're an emotional purchase, not a rational one.
I could clamp the Mona Lisa to an original Radio Flyer and it would be rolling art, older than any car discussed in this thread, and magnitudes more rare and valuable. And I wouldn't want to own or drive it! Fuck rolling art. It's funny that you mention TVs and appliances. TVs now are flat, featureless sheets of glass. The screen is all that matters. Back in the day of these "amazing" classic cars, a television's design was important. The technology didn't exist to hide bezels and beam controls from a remote. A TV was a piece of furniture, and the high end ones had a lot of care in their design and aesthetic features and finishes. There was wood paneling and shiny knobs and chrome. Pieces or art some of those things were! That's why so many people painstakingly restore them and keep them in their living rooms and invite people over to show them off. Real attention-getters, those ornate television sets from the 60s.
I mean, check this thing out:
Look at all the details and the different materials and "classic" form. Definitely a design language from an era. A whole culture of watching TV started around sets like that, and they're not making any more like it. Kind of reminds me of something else...
Only difference between those two things is a bunch of people's boomer dads felt up their first date inside of one of them and not the other. I probably would have marveled at the form and function of both if I were a kid looking at one back in their heyday, but now, with the benefit of knowing what's come since, they both look awfully silly to me. Like wearing powdered wigs or those giant dresses and decorative umbrellas and crazy hats.
All I'm saying is gimme Blu82's C8 Corvette any day over any boomermobile. From a driving standpoint, engineering standpoint, comfort standpoint, build quality standpoint, and "rolling art" standpoint.
I'll be curious to hear your opinion of a 2021 Porsche GT3 in 20 years because by all measures at that point in the future it will be entirely inferior car. That doesn't mean it won't be a great car, though.