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Vorel to Jen Cohen: "Is UW men’s basketball coach Mike Hopkins’ job in jeopardy?"
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The more I see this thread in Recent Discussions, the more I get pissed off at the fact our? basketball programs are shit...and I normally don’t give a fuck about college ball until March.
I feel like the program (for both men and women) has so much potential if we? could just get some coaches with big sets of balls/ovaries.
Again, I hate UW athletics right now. -
Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire -
and give him theseFremontTroll said:
Hire BRoy and don’t ask any questions.HireBRoy said:Hire BRoy and ask questions later
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was her husband really on staff? hahahahahahahahahahahTequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire -
Yes, one of my pet peeves about women's basketball is that that's actually a thing, and we've done it twice now.HireBRoy said:
was her husband really on staff? hahahahahahahahahahahTequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
Mrs. Lake does not coach the tight ends. -
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too. -
TBF... UW hired the softball coach's husband as a bench coach despite the fact the HS baseball teams he coached were largely mediocre.HireBRoy said:
was her husband really on staff? hahahahahahahahahahahTequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
And they've always been really good. -
Nick Holt's wife is a former head coach at the D-1 level (#myvandals). Long time ago but she was pretty hot then.
Just throwing out names.
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You'd think so given Jen's complete inaction. But it's way smaller than that - it moves from $6m to $3m at the end of this month. Small time bullshit.HFNY said:Isn't Hopkins' buyout $11 or $13 million until after the 2021 season? Seems like hitting the JC / transfer portal hard and changing a couple of assistants would be more likely than big hitter wallets stepping forward to help with the buy-out.
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Seriously? $3 million is nothing these days with coaching contracts. A pair of sold out games pays that buyout. At $3 million, you can't afford not to try something different to turn the program around.GreenRiverGatorz said:
You'd think so given Jen's complete inaction. But it's way smaller than that - it moves from $6m to $3m at the end of this month. Small time bullshit.HFNY said:Isn't Hopkins' buyout $11 or $13 million until after the 2021 season? Seems like hitting the JC / transfer portal hard and changing a couple of assistants would be more likely than big hitter wallets stepping forward to help with the buy-out.
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The fascination people have with making a hire because of someone being an alum blows my mindHHusky said:
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too.
There are definitely better candidates than Loree Payne -
Who did we lose Mike Neighbors to? His alma mater.Tequilla said:
The fascination people have with making a hire because of someone being an alum blows my mindHHusky said:
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too.
There are definitely better candidates than Loree Payne
Who did we lose Kevin McGuff to? The big school in his home state.
Who did we lose Chris Gobrecht to? Her alma mater.
Loree Payne is an excellent coach who would be more likely to stay than someone who isn't an alum. My reasons for supporting her candidacy are greater than her being an alum, however. I watched her at UPS. I knew she was headed to the big leagues. When she's at Cal or Utah instead, you'll wish you could have a do over.
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Just steal both the Cuog coaches.
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So you want to hire someone where you can build in job security as a priority before knowing whether they are capable of doing the jobHHusky said:
Who did we lose Mike Neighbors to? His alma mater.Tequilla said:
The fascination people have with making a hire because of someone being an alum blows my mindHHusky said:
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too.
There are definitely better candidates than Loree Payne
Who did we lose Kevin McGuff to? The big school in his home state.
Who did we lose Chris Gobrecht to? Her alma mater.
Loree Payne is an excellent coach who would be more likely to stay than someone who isn't an alum. My reasons for supporting her candidacy are greater than her being an alum, however. I watched her at UPS. I knew she was headed to the big leagues. When she's at Cal or Utah instead, you'll wish you could have a do over.
Hiring a good coach is the first part of the deal ...
Once you have one then your job is to retain ...
If someone leaves and you’re market competitive then you wish them good luck and make another good hire
Looking more than 5 years ahead on any job, hire, etc is setting yourself up for failure
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the hiring process -
So just hire the coach you already know will be successful. And then hire another one if that one leaves. BrIlliant! Someone should have thought of that. You really should be in athletic administration.Tequilla said:
So you want to hire someone where you can build in job security as a priority before knowing whether they are capable of doing the jobHHusky said:
Who did we lose Mike Neighbors to? His alma mater.Tequilla said:
The fascination people have with making a hire because of someone being an alum blows my mindHHusky said:
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too.
There are definitely better candidates than Loree Payne
Who did we lose Kevin McGuff to? The big school in his home state.
Who did we lose Chris Gobrecht to? Her alma mater.
Loree Payne is an excellent coach who would be more likely to stay than someone who isn't an alum. My reasons for supporting her candidacy are greater than her being an alum, however. I watched her at UPS. I knew she was headed to the big leagues. When she's at Cal or Utah instead, you'll wish you could have a do over.
Hiring a good coach is the first part of the deal ...
Once you have one then your job is to retain ...
If someone leaves and you’re market competitive then you wish them good luck and make another good hire
Looking more than 5 years ahead on any job, hire, etc is setting yourself up for failure
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the hiring process -
That would require you to understand the point that I was makingHHusky said:
So just hire the coach you already know will be successful. And then hire another one if that one leaves. BrIlliant! Someone should have thought of that. You really should be in athletic administration.Tequilla said:
So you want to hire someone where you can build in job security as a priority before knowing whether they are capable of doing the jobHHusky said:
Who did we lose Mike Neighbors to? His alma mater.Tequilla said:
The fascination people have with making a hire because of someone being an alum blows my mindHHusky said:
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too.
There are definitely better candidates than Loree Payne
Who did we lose Kevin McGuff to? The big school in his home state.
Who did we lose Chris Gobrecht to? Her alma mater.
Loree Payne is an excellent coach who would be more likely to stay than someone who isn't an alum. My reasons for supporting her candidacy are greater than her being an alum, however. I watched her at UPS. I knew she was headed to the big leagues. When she's at Cal or Utah instead, you'll wish you could have a do over.
Hiring a good coach is the first part of the deal ...
Once you have one then your job is to retain ...
If someone leaves and you’re market competitive then you wish them good luck and make another good hire
Looking more than 5 years ahead on any job, hire, etc is setting yourself up for failure
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the hiring process
You can make the best hire in the world and you have no idea what the future holds.
When Chris Petersen took the job nobody cared about whether he was an alum or not. What mattered was that he was a great coach. When he got to the CFP in 2016 most would have been happy to have had him on board for the foreseeable future ...
And 3 years later he retired
My point is that you don’t hire an alum with the rationale that at least they won’t leave. Everybody has a shelf life and everybody is going to be replaced at some point.
When Petersen was hired any AD would have hoped that the hire would mean job stability for 10-15 years minimum. He coached 6 seasons at UW.
Hence my point about don’t get too far over the skis in hiring. Hire the person you think gives you the best opportunity to be successful over the next 5 years. If they are successful and stay ... that’s great. If they leave you’re in theory making your next hire from a better position of strength.
The problem with most hiring decisions is factors that have no bearing on future success get tied into the search and distract or often preclude making the best hire possible. -
Right now we need to return to competitive. Loree can do that. If she can do better than that, you have a coach in her early 40s who is at her alma mater and you can have a real run of success. When you think of women’s basketball, how much coaching turnover have Stanford, UConn, Baylor, Tennessee had during their championship eras?Tequilla said:
That would require you to understand the point that I was makingHHusky said:
So just hire the coach you already know will be successful. And then hire another one if that one leaves. BrIlliant! Someone should have thought of that. You really should be in athletic administration.Tequilla said:
So you want to hire someone where you can build in job security as a priority before knowing whether they are capable of doing the jobHHusky said:
Who did we lose Mike Neighbors to? His alma mater.Tequilla said:
The fascination people have with making a hire because of someone being an alum blows my mindHHusky said:
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too.
There are definitely better candidates than Loree Payne
Who did we lose Kevin McGuff to? The big school in his home state.
Who did we lose Chris Gobrecht to? Her alma mater.
Loree Payne is an excellent coach who would be more likely to stay than someone who isn't an alum. My reasons for supporting her candidacy are greater than her being an alum, however. I watched her at UPS. I knew she was headed to the big leagues. When she's at Cal or Utah instead, you'll wish you could have a do over.
Hiring a good coach is the first part of the deal ...
Once you have one then your job is to retain ...
If someone leaves and you’re market competitive then you wish them good luck and make another good hire
Looking more than 5 years ahead on any job, hire, etc is setting yourself up for failure
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the hiring process
You can make the best hire in the world and you have no idea what the future holds.
When Chris Petersen took the job nobody cared about whether he was an alum or not. What mattered was that he was a great coach. When he got to the CFP in 2016 most would have been happy to have had him on board for the foreseeable future ...
And 3 years later he retired
My point is that you don’t hire an alum with the rationale that at least they won’t leave. Everybody has a shelf life and everybody is going to be replaced at some point.
When Petersen was hired any AD would have hoped that the hire would mean job stability for 10-15 years minimum. He coached 6 seasons at UW.
Hence my point about don’t get too far over the skis in hiring. Hire the person you think gives you the best opportunity to be successful over the next 5 years. If they are successful and stay ... that’s great. If they leave you’re in theory making your next hire from a better position of strength.
The problem with most hiring decisions is factors that have no bearing on future success get tied into the search and distract or often preclude making the best hire possible. -
Take the L here man ... tired of making you my bitchHHusky said:
Right now we need to return to competitive. Loree can do that. If she can do better than that, you have a coach in her early 40s who is at her alma mater and you can have a real run of success. When you think of women’s basketball, how much coaching turnover have Stanford, UConn, Baylor, Tennessee had during their championship eras?Tequilla said:
That would require you to understand the point that I was makingHHusky said:
So just hire the coach you already know will be successful. And then hire another one if that one leaves. BrIlliant! Someone should have thought of that. You really should be in athletic administration.Tequilla said:
So you want to hire someone where you can build in job security as a priority before knowing whether they are capable of doing the jobHHusky said:
Who did we lose Mike Neighbors to? His alma mater.Tequilla said:
The fascination people have with making a hire because of someone being an alum blows my mindHHusky said:
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too.
There are definitely better candidates than Loree Payne
Who did we lose Kevin McGuff to? The big school in his home state.
Who did we lose Chris Gobrecht to? Her alma mater.
Loree Payne is an excellent coach who would be more likely to stay than someone who isn't an alum. My reasons for supporting her candidacy are greater than her being an alum, however. I watched her at UPS. I knew she was headed to the big leagues. When she's at Cal or Utah instead, you'll wish you could have a do over.
Hiring a good coach is the first part of the deal ...
Once you have one then your job is to retain ...
If someone leaves and you’re market competitive then you wish them good luck and make another good hire
Looking more than 5 years ahead on any job, hire, etc is setting yourself up for failure
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the hiring process
You can make the best hire in the world and you have no idea what the future holds.
When Chris Petersen took the job nobody cared about whether he was an alum or not. What mattered was that he was a great coach. When he got to the CFP in 2016 most would have been happy to have had him on board for the foreseeable future ...
And 3 years later he retired
My point is that you don’t hire an alum with the rationale that at least they won’t leave. Everybody has a shelf life and everybody is going to be replaced at some point.
When Petersen was hired any AD would have hoped that the hire would mean job stability for 10-15 years minimum. He coached 6 seasons at UW.
Hence my point about don’t get too far over the skis in hiring. Hire the person you think gives you the best opportunity to be successful over the next 5 years. If they are successful and stay ... that’s great. If they leave you’re in theory making your next hire from a better position of strength.
The problem with most hiring decisions is factors that have no bearing on future success get tied into the search and distract or often preclude making the best hire possible. -
Your willingness to declare victory is inspiring.Tequilla said:
Take the L here man ... tired of making you my bitchHHusky said:
Right now we need to return to competitive. Loree can do that. If she can do better than that, you have a coach in her early 40s who is at her alma mater and you can have a real run of success. When you think of women’s basketball, how much coaching turnover have Stanford, UConn, Baylor, Tennessee had during their championship eras?Tequilla said:
That would require you to understand the point that I was makingHHusky said:
So just hire the coach you already know will be successful. And then hire another one if that one leaves. BrIlliant! Someone should have thought of that. You really should be in athletic administration.Tequilla said:
So you want to hire someone where you can build in job security as a priority before knowing whether they are capable of doing the jobHHusky said:
Who did we lose Mike Neighbors to? His alma mater.Tequilla said:
The fascination people have with making a hire because of someone being an alum blows my mindHHusky said:
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too.
There are definitely better candidates than Loree Payne
Who did we lose Kevin McGuff to? The big school in his home state.
Who did we lose Chris Gobrecht to? Her alma mater.
Loree Payne is an excellent coach who would be more likely to stay than someone who isn't an alum. My reasons for supporting her candidacy are greater than her being an alum, however. I watched her at UPS. I knew she was headed to the big leagues. When she's at Cal or Utah instead, you'll wish you could have a do over.
Hiring a good coach is the first part of the deal ...
Once you have one then your job is to retain ...
If someone leaves and you’re market competitive then you wish them good luck and make another good hire
Looking more than 5 years ahead on any job, hire, etc is setting yourself up for failure
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the hiring process
You can make the best hire in the world and you have no idea what the future holds.
When Chris Petersen took the job nobody cared about whether he was an alum or not. What mattered was that he was a great coach. When he got to the CFP in 2016 most would have been happy to have had him on board for the foreseeable future ...
And 3 years later he retired
My point is that you don’t hire an alum with the rationale that at least they won’t leave. Everybody has a shelf life and everybody is going to be replaced at some point.
When Petersen was hired any AD would have hoped that the hire would mean job stability for 10-15 years minimum. He coached 6 seasons at UW.
Hence my point about don’t get too far over the skis in hiring. Hire the person you think gives you the best opportunity to be successful over the next 5 years. If they are successful and stay ... that’s great. If they leave you’re in theory making your next hire from a better position of strength.
The problem with most hiring decisions is factors that have no bearing on future success get tied into the search and distract or often preclude making the best hire possible. -
I’ve been taking notes from QuooksHHusky said:
Your willingness to declare victory is inspiring.Tequilla said:
Take the L here man ... tired of making you my bitchHHusky said:
Right now we need to return to competitive. Loree can do that. If she can do better than that, you have a coach in her early 40s who is at her alma mater and you can have a real run of success. When you think of women’s basketball, how much coaching turnover have Stanford, UConn, Baylor, Tennessee had during their championship eras?Tequilla said:
That would require you to understand the point that I was makingHHusky said:
So just hire the coach you already know will be successful. And then hire another one if that one leaves. BrIlliant! Someone should have thought of that. You really should be in athletic administration.Tequilla said:
So you want to hire someone where you can build in job security as a priority before knowing whether they are capable of doing the jobHHusky said:
Who did we lose Mike Neighbors to? His alma mater.Tequilla said:
The fascination people have with making a hire because of someone being an alum blows my mindHHusky said:
https://nauathletics.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/coaches/loree-payne/281Tequilla said:Wynn fired ... Jen did the easy part
Let’s see if she can make a reasonable hire
NAU hadn't been remotely competitive for 10 years before she got there. And Rueck's success at OSU says that Northwest Conference experience can work out too.
There are definitely better candidates than Loree Payne
Who did we lose Kevin McGuff to? The big school in his home state.
Who did we lose Chris Gobrecht to? Her alma mater.
Loree Payne is an excellent coach who would be more likely to stay than someone who isn't an alum. My reasons for supporting her candidacy are greater than her being an alum, however. I watched her at UPS. I knew she was headed to the big leagues. When she's at Cal or Utah instead, you'll wish you could have a do over.
Hiring a good coach is the first part of the deal ...
Once you have one then your job is to retain ...
If someone leaves and you’re market competitive then you wish them good luck and make another good hire
Looking more than 5 years ahead on any job, hire, etc is setting yourself up for failure
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the hiring process
You can make the best hire in the world and you have no idea what the future holds.
When Chris Petersen took the job nobody cared about whether he was an alum or not. What mattered was that he was a great coach. When he got to the CFP in 2016 most would have been happy to have had him on board for the foreseeable future ...
And 3 years later he retired
My point is that you don’t hire an alum with the rationale that at least they won’t leave. Everybody has a shelf life and everybody is going to be replaced at some point.
When Petersen was hired any AD would have hoped that the hire would mean job stability for 10-15 years minimum. He coached 6 seasons at UW.
Hence my point about don’t get too far over the skis in hiring. Hire the person you think gives you the best opportunity to be successful over the next 5 years. If they are successful and stay ... that’s great. If they leave you’re in theory making your next hire from a better position of strength.
The problem with most hiring decisions is factors that have no bearing on future success get tied into the search and distract or often preclude making the best hire possible. -
One member of your “solid little group” gone. Are we downgrading our projection to bottom half of the PAC now?BroadcastingDawg said:
Unpopular opinion. And I'm ready for the fuck offs or whatever they are. But I really like Hop.DerekJohnson said:“Absolutely not. I believe in Mike. I’m supportive of Mike. I’m excited to be his partner and figure out how we’re going to reevaluate things after this year. We’re looking to still move forward with the basketball (facility) project. Sometimes these things are cyclical. Sometimes they’re really frustrating. There’s nobody that’s more upset with losing and where this program is right now than Mike Hopkins and me. So I’m confident that we’re going to come up with a plan at the end of the year and we’re going to get headed back in the right direction.”
Lets be clear. They stunk. Clear lack of belief, production and cohesiveness on the court. It's Hop's job to raise mentality of these guys and it's clear they lacked a lot in this department.
That said, it was pretty much all these players first time playing together on a court. Must be tough to jump straight into your first games of the season against Colorado who seems like they've had the same roster since 2010 and Baylor, who was undefeated until last week, when none of your rotations have played a real basketball game together. The early stretch of games was not what they needed and set the tone for what was a season full of growing pains.
Remember, the teams that featured Crisp, Dickerson, Thybulle, Greene were freaking horrific until their junior and senior years.
I think Tsohonis, Bey, Stevenson, Battle, Bajema, Brooks is a solid little group who could take a big leap forward confidence wise as a unit next season.
They're gonna need to get a transfer big man to come in because Roberts and Sorn can't be it. Jackson Grant should come in a provide immediate offense in the post which is something they desperately missed.
They played much better basketball in the 2nd half of the season... won a few games and lost a couple games close against teams they had no business being competitive with.
They may not challenge for a NCAA tournament, but I expect them to be somewhere middle of the PAC and I think Hop can get this thing back on track. -
Two down now. Group starting to look more little than solid.BroadcastingDawg said:
Unpopular opinion. And I'm ready for the fuck offs or whatever they are. But I really like Hop.DerekJohnson said:“Absolutely not. I believe in Mike. I’m supportive of Mike. I’m excited to be his partner and figure out how we’re going to reevaluate things after this year. We’re looking to still move forward with the basketball (facility) project. Sometimes these things are cyclical. Sometimes they’re really frustrating. There’s nobody that’s more upset with losing and where this program is right now than Mike Hopkins and me. So I’m confident that we’re going to come up with a plan at the end of the year and we’re going to get headed back in the right direction.”
Lets be clear. They stunk. Clear lack of belief, production and cohesiveness on the court. It's Hop's job to raise mentality of these guys and it's clear they lacked a lot in this department.
That said, it was pretty much all these players first time playing together on a court. Must be tough to jump straight into your first games of the season against Colorado who seems like they've had the same roster since 2010 and Baylor, who was undefeated until last week, when none of your rotations have played a real basketball game together. The early stretch of games was not what they needed and set the tone for what was a season full of growing pains.
Remember, the teams that featured Crisp, Dickerson, Thybulle, Greene were freaking horrific until their junior and senior years.
I think Tsohonis, Bey, Stevenson, Battle, Bajema, Brooks is a solid little group who could take a big leap forward confidence wise as a unit next season.
They're gonna need to get a transfer big man to come in because Roberts and Sorn can't be it. Jackson Grant should come in a provide immediate offense in the post which is something they desperately missed.
They played much better basketball in the 2nd half of the season... won a few games and lost a couple games close against teams they had no business being competitive with.
They may not challenge for a NCAA tournament, but I expect them to be somewhere middle of the PAC and I think Hop can get this thing back on track. -
Shouldn't this discussion be closed?
