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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,866

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "Hoax!" is a convenient strawman. Excuse me, strawzir.

    Meh, fuggit, not worth typing more. Trust in government competence, @HHusky , I'm sure it'll turn out great.

    The underreaction of the federal government has not inspired confidence, I agree.

    Sled, Ivan and Race seem to be on the Hoax Wagon. If you have a more nuanced position, that would be rfreshing.
    I've written 100x more than prudent about the whole shitshow. Read, or don't, at your leisure. As a Wash-en-tone-ean, I've given up hope at this point. Nothing I say or do matters.
    What approach are you advocating vis-a-vis the virus?
    Lighting yourself on fire should kill any virus...you should try it.
    Thank you for joining us today, Mr. President.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,967 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "Hoax!" is a convenient strawman. Excuse me, strawzir.

    Meh, fuggit, not worth typing more. Trust in government competence, @HHusky , I'm sure it'll turn out great.

    The underreaction of the federal government has not inspired confidence, I agree.

    Sled, Ivan and Race seem to be on the Hoax Wagon. If you have a more nuanced position, that would be rfreshing.
    I've written 100x more than prudent about the whole shitshow. Read, or don't, at your leisure. As a Wash-en-tone-ean, I've given up hope at this point. Nothing I say or do matters.
    What approach are you advocating vis-a-vis the virus?
    What's your national approach dick face. You've only been asked a thousand times
  • HouhuskyHouhusky Member Posts: 5,537

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "Hoax!" is a convenient strawman. Excuse me, strawzir.

    Meh, fuggit, not worth typing more. Trust in government competence, @HHusky , I'm sure it'll turn out great.

    The underreaction of the federal government has not inspired confidence, I agree.

    Sled, Ivan and Race seem to be on the Hoax Wagon. If you have a more nuanced position, that would be rfreshing.
    I've written 100x more than prudent about the whole shitshow. Read, or don't, at your leisure. As a Wash-en-tone-ean, I've given up hope at this point. Nothing I say or do matters.
    What approach are you advocating vis-a-vis the virus?
    What's your national approach dick face. You've only been asked a thousand times
    If only the federal government had banned people like HH from traveling on airplanes for non essential travel and willfully spreading the deadly serious disease to others.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,866

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "Hoax!" is a convenient strawman. Excuse me, strawzir.

    Meh, fuggit, not worth typing more. Trust in government competence, @HHusky , I'm sure it'll turn out great.

    The underreaction of the federal government has not inspired confidence, I agree.

    Sled, Ivan and Race seem to be on the Hoax Wagon. If you have a more nuanced position, that would be rfreshing.
    I've written 100x more than prudent about the whole shitshow. Read, or don't, at your leisure. As a Wash-en-tone-ean, I've given up hope at this point. Nothing I say or do matters.
    What approach are you advocating vis-a-vis the virus?
    What's your national approach dick face. You've only been asked a thousand times
    You mean you asked once before.

    The Feds could have been the one purchaser of PPE, etc., instead of making the states bid against each other.

    We could have had a unified policy of being open or not.

    I wouldn't have called for the "liberation" of states with Democratic governors.

    I wouldn't have trivialized the threat.

    My message would have been that we can't have a healthy economy before we get the virus under control.

    Would Damone have bitched? Of course.

    You would have done what Daddy told you to do.



  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,343 Standard Supporter
    Unified approach? Like your unified approach to paying more taxes? You feel you have a moral obligation to pay more taxes but won't until the government forces everyone to pay more taxes. South Dakota is just like NYC. The dazzler's unified approach - young people are just like old people.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "Hoax!" is a convenient strawman. Excuse me, strawzir.

    Meh, fuggit, not worth typing more. Trust in government competence, @HHusky , I'm sure it'll turn out great.

    The underreaction of the federal government has not inspired confidence, I agree.

    Sled, Ivan and Race seem to be on the Hoax Wagon. If you have a more nuanced position, that would be rfreshing.
    I've written 100x more than prudent about the whole shitshow. Read, or don't, at your leisure. As a Wash-en-tone-ean, I've given up hope at this point. Nothing I say or do matters.
    What approach are you advocating vis-a-vis the virus?
    What's your national approach dick face. You've only been asked a thousand times
    You mean you asked once before.

    The Feds could have been the one purchaser of PPE, etc., instead of making the states bid against each other.

    We could have had a unified policy of being open or not.

    I wouldn't have called for the "liberation" of states with Democratic governors.

    I wouldn't have trivialized the threat.

    My message would have been that we can't have a healthy economy before we get the virus under control.

    Would Damone have bitched? Of course.

    You would have done what Daddy told you to do.



    In your turd of tribal blaming, a kernel or two managed to pass through.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,866

    Unified approach? Like your unified approach to paying more taxes? You feel you have a moral obligation to pay more taxes but won't until the government forces everyone to pay more taxes. South Dakota is just like NYC. The dazzler's unified approach - young people are just like old people.

    The fact you think my argument about taxes has something to do with a moral obligation just shows how poorly you read, Gasbag.

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,967 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "Hoax!" is a convenient strawman. Excuse me, strawzir.

    Meh, fuggit, not worth typing more. Trust in government competence, @HHusky , I'm sure it'll turn out great.

    The underreaction of the federal government has not inspired confidence, I agree.

    Sled, Ivan and Race seem to be on the Hoax Wagon. If you have a more nuanced position, that would be rfreshing.
    I've written 100x more than prudent about the whole shitshow. Read, or don't, at your leisure. As a Wash-en-tone-ean, I've given up hope at this point. Nothing I say or do matters.
    What approach are you advocating vis-a-vis the virus?
    What's your national approach dick face. You've only been asked a thousand times
    You mean you asked once before.

    The Feds could have been the one purchaser of PPE, etc., instead of making the states bid against each other.

    We could have had a unified policy of being open or not.

    I wouldn't have called for the "liberation" of states with Democratic governors.

    I wouldn't have trivialized the threat.

    My message would have been that we can't have a healthy economy before we get the virus under control.

    Would Damone have bitched? Of course.

    You would have done what Daddy told you to do.



    So you would have shut the whole country down

    When and for how long?

    What if a state told you to fuck off? Send troops?

    Really it sounds like you just have a bunch of bullshit talk

    Trump did more than you are advocating
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "Hoax!" is a convenient strawman. Excuse me, strawzir.

    Meh, fuggit, not worth typing more. Trust in government competence, @HHusky , I'm sure it'll turn out great.

    The underreaction of the federal government has not inspired confidence, I agree.

    Sled, Ivan and Race seem to be on the Hoax Wagon. If you have a more nuanced position, that would be rfreshing.
    I've written 100x more than prudent about the whole shitshow. Read, or don't, at your leisure. As a Wash-en-tone-ean, I've given up hope at this point. Nothing I say or do matters.
    What approach are you advocating vis-a-vis the virus?
    What's your national approach dick face. You've only been asked a thousand times
    You mean you asked once before.

    The Feds could have been the one purchaser of PPE, etc., instead of making the states bid against each other.

    We could have had a unified policy of being open or not.

    I wouldn't have called for the "liberation" of states with Democratic governors.

    I wouldn't have trivialized the threat.

    My message would have been that we can't have a healthy economy before we get the virus under control.

    Would Damone have bitched? Of course.

    You would have done what Daddy told you to do.



    So you would have shut the whole country down

    When and for how long?

    What if a state told you to fuck off? Send troops?

    Really it sounds like you just have a bunch of bullshit talk

    Trump did more than you are advocating
    We know exactly what the response to a Trump-mandated lockdown would have been. Because we saw the response to international travel ban.

    ATBS, I wish Trump had tried, because the country would be wide-open now.
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,866

    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


    How was the article I linked an anti-Trump piece, Boris? In your own words.
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


    How was the article I linked an anti-Trump piece, Boris? In your own words.
    What do you get as a positive about viewing employees you obviously don’t have as your “little people?” If you do, they should know they are employed by a sociopath. Guessing you view your wife as a subordinate, too.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,866

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


    How was the article I linked an anti-Trump piece, Boris? In your own words.
    What do you get as a positive about viewing employees you obviously don’t have as your “little people?” If you do, they should know they are employed by a sociopath. Guessing you view your wife as a subordinate, too.
    I didn't refer to my employees as "little people". But you know better than I do whether travel is optional in my life.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


    How was the article I linked an anti-Trump piece, Boris? In your own words.
    What do you get as a positive about viewing employees you obviously don’t have as your “little people?” If you do, they should know they are employed by a sociopath. Guessing you view your wife as a subordinate, too.
    I didn't refer to my employees as "little people". But you know better than I do whether travel is optional in my life.
    Backed by science, the Governor has told his citizens to #StopTheSpread, #StayHomeStaySafe. I can't remember what the safe travel radius is, but certainly less than a commercial flight. You freely disclosed that you felt it was permissible for you to ignore those guidelines. And I defend your right to do so.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,866

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


    How was the article I linked an anti-Trump piece, Boris? In your own words.
    What do you get as a positive about viewing employees you obviously don’t have as your “little people?” If you do, they should know they are employed by a sociopath. Guessing you view your wife as a subordinate, too.
    I didn't refer to my employees as "little people". But you know better than I do whether travel is optional in my life.
    Backed by science, the Governor has told his citizens to #StopTheSpread, #StayHomeStaySafe. I can't remember what the safe travel radius is, but certainly less than a commercial flight. You freely disclosed that you felt it was permissible for you to ignore those guidelines. And I defend your right to do so.
    The task isn't optional. The only question is whether I do it or someone else does it.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


    How was the article I linked an anti-Trump piece, Boris? In your own words.
    What do you get as a positive about viewing employees you obviously don’t have as your “little people?” If you do, they should know they are employed by a sociopath. Guessing you view your wife as a subordinate, too.
    I didn't refer to my employees as "little people". But you know better than I do whether travel is optional in my life.
    Backed by science, the Governor has told his citizens to #StopTheSpread, #StayHomeStaySafe. I can't remember what the safe travel radius is, but certainly less than a commercial flight. You freely disclosed that you felt it was permissible for you to ignore those guidelines. And I defend your right to do so.
    The task isn't optional. The only question is whether I do it or someone else does it.
    Who gets to say whether it is or isn't optional? Many options have been proscribed from many people.

    No sense arguing, we agree that individuals are best suited to make those judgments for themselves. Central planning just isn't suited for it.
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    edited July 2020
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


    How was the article I linked an anti-Trump piece, Boris? In your own words.
    What do you get as a positive about viewing employees you obviously don’t have as your “little people?” If you do, they should know they are employed by a sociopath. Guessing you view your wife as a subordinate, too.
    I didn't refer to my employees as "little people". But you know better than I do whether travel is optional in my life.
    Yes. You said you could have sent a “little person” on your courageous flight to save your failing business to the Midwest. I’ll look it up but you won’t respond. You’re a fat, lazy weirdo who thinks you’re some big shot. UC-Bakersfield! You couldn’t even keep that lie straight about your “daughter,” fatso.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,866

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


    How was the article I linked an anti-Trump piece, Boris? In your own words.
    What do you get as a positive about viewing employees you obviously don’t have as your “little people?” If you do, they should know they are employed by a sociopath. Guessing you view your wife as a subordinate, too.
    I didn't refer to my employees as "little people". But you know better than I do whether travel is optional in my life.
    Backed by science, the Governor has told his citizens to #StopTheSpread, #StayHomeStaySafe. I can't remember what the safe travel radius is, but certainly less than a commercial flight. You freely disclosed that you felt it was permissible for you to ignore those guidelines. And I defend your right to do so.
    The task isn't optional. The only question is whether I do it or someone else does it.
    Who gets to say whether it is or isn't optional? Many options have been proscribed from many people.

    No sense arguing, we agree that individuals are best suited to make those judgments for themselves. Central planning just isn't suited for it.
    If the matter I'm attending to had been proscribed, the task wouldn't have to be attended to. But it wasn't, so someone has to accomplish the task.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,343 Standard Supporter

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/we-need-to-confront-reality/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first

    People understandably contend that a person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus, but dies of a separate health issue, should not count as a “coronavirus death.” (For example, George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus.) The oft-cited death number probably involves certain elderly patients who were likely to die from any significant stress to their health.

    But just as there’s evidence for an overcount, there’s even more evidence for an undercount. A lack of available tests in the early days meant that certain deaths that were probably connected to the virus were never officially diagnosed. The overall U.S. death toll from the start of the pandemic jumped — way higher than the official death toll from the virus: “The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19 percent higher, than what would normally be expected.”


    . . .

    We can quibble with this or that aspect of the data. I think that if you account for all of the errors and factors that can lead to overcounts and undercounts, it’s more likely we’re undercounting the deaths than overcounting. But even if you assume that one out of every ten official deaths is miscategorized, and shouldn’t be counted as a coronavirus-driven . . . the death count this morning is past 141,000. If the real count is closer to 127,000 . . . how much does that change your perception of the problem? What does the country’s total number of deaths need to reach before everyone will concur, “Wow, this is really bad”? What do you have to see to conclude that it’s not a hoax, that the CDC and doctors are not lying, and that the threat this virus presents is not overhyped?

    Because if the answer is, “Nothing will ever convince me of that,” . . . well, then we are no longer discussing what is actually happening; we’re discussing something akin to an article of faith.

    Boris the Copy/Paste Lightweight links from an anti-Trump rag. No wonder your business is going under. Early retirement looming.


    How was the article I linked an anti-Trump piece, Boris? In your own words.
    What do you get as a positive about viewing employees you obviously don’t have as your “little people?” If you do, they should know they are employed by a sociopath. Guessing you view your wife as a subordinate, too.
    I didn't refer to my employees as "little people". But you know better than I do whether travel is optional in my life.
    Backed by science, the Governor has told his citizens to #StopTheSpread, #StayHomeStaySafe. I can't remember what the safe travel radius is, but certainly less than a commercial flight. You freely disclosed that you felt it was permissible for you to ignore those guidelines. And I defend your right to do so.
    The task isn't optional. The only question is whether I do it or someone else does it.
    Who gets to say whether it is or isn't optional? Many options have been proscribed from many people.

    No sense arguing, we agree that individuals are best suited to make those judgments for themselves. Central planning just isn't suited for it.
    Needs to be a unified approach. Except if the dazzler is involved.
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