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The Tragedy of Seattle

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  • thechatchthechatch Member Posts: 6,214

    As one of the only people that post here that lives petty much in the heart of the city, this isn't really accurate DJ...

    Especially the part about it becoming Cleveland in 2 years.

    Tech is going no where.

    Dont get me wrong, there are some bat shit crazy policies. But it's far from the hell hole my fellow tuggers think it is.

    I live at 9th and Pine, across from the Paramount Theatre in one of the nicer apartment buildings in the city. The street below is littered with homelessness and drug use. Multiple Murders this year blocks from where I live. Cars and buildings set ablaze during the riots a month ago. DT Seattle is clearly on a descent. It is what it is. It’s the main reason I am pulling up tent stakes both on my home residence and office/warehouse space In SODO and moving to Bellevue.
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,197 Founders Club

    As one of the only people that post here that lives petty much in the heart of the city, this isn't really accurate DJ...

    Especially the part about it becoming Cleveland in 2 years.

    Tech is going no where.

    Dont get me wrong, there are some bat shit crazy policies. But it's far from the hell hole my fellow tuggers think it is.

    I never said two years
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,197 Founders Club

    thechatch said:

    It’s never going to be Cleveland or Newark because the economic bases aren’t comparable, especially with it being the POE to the Pacific Rim, but it will certainly becomes a city almost devoid of its founding culture, as it looks to acquiesce to a militant minority voting bloc and cater more and more to foreign Corporate, political, and economic pressure. If Amazon, MS, or Boeing ever decide that they’ve had enough with people like Sawant, it could be dark, dark times for what was once the metropolitan capital of the Pacific NW. There are measures that can be taken to mitigate and prevent such realities, but those are politically problematic for our woke leadership.

    Yeah, but it’s been devoid of it’s true founding culture for a long time due largely to tech, wealth and more outsiders moving here. The city of Ivar Hagland, hydroplane races and Boeing has long since gone. That Seattle was affordable, cozy, small, familiar and incredibly provincial, which is what people miss. In place of all those things, though, are many things that now make the city great. Challenging times but it’s awfully early I to write Seattle off just now.
    I hope you're right of course, but I don't see it trending that way whatsoever. When you have leadership that seeks to decriminalize most criminal activity, and openly despises capitalism, you'll eventually reap what you sew.
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,704 Standard Supporter
    I moved out of the area (Mukilteo) 12 years ago when the property taxes and license tabs got ridiculous with their effort to fund that silly ass tunnel.

    I worked from home for a large corporation as did Mrs. Lebam.
    Breathe easy out here in the country, no sirens blaring at night, no sounds of traffic - all around quiet and relaxing.
    So Pacific county is far enough away that it hasn't been Californicated yet.

    I think it would be nice to have a state that is more balanced politically, I will leave when they get their income tax next year.
  • alumni94alumni94 Member Posts: 4,858

    I moved to California in revenge

    It's now MAGA country

    #metoo
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 5,963 Standard Supporter
    All one needs to look at is who are the locals putting on the city council and in the mayors office. This is no longer a trend. Trends can be reversed quickly in politics. This was happening 30 years ago when i lived in Seattle. Rats wanted this, planned and organized. Their dedication is actually something to behold and admired. The end result is disaster. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    When the socialists on the city council ignore the problems and push back on those who are outraged at how far down the city has dropped in quality of life and law and order, they know they are protected, untouchable. Now they are working on getting rid of the police and somehow manage to ignore all the crime, violence and the innocent victims. Just listen to them. They call violent protests where people are murdered and beaten, peaceful. The minions, the mindless followers are doing their dirty work and they approve. Its what they want and fuck the innocent victims.

    What it all means is, the rats are in charge of the ship and that ship is not turning around until it crashes into shore and sinks. Its too late for Seattle and the worst is yet to come because the goose steppers are going to continue to put the vile rat leaders in office.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 25,958 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited July 2020
    thechatch said:

    As one of the only people that post here that lives petty much in the heart of the city, this isn't really accurate DJ...

    Especially the part about it becoming Cleveland in 2 years.

    Tech is going no where.

    Dont get me wrong, there are some bat shit crazy policies. But it's far from the hell hole my fellow tuggers think it is.

    I live at 9th and Pine, across from the Paramount Theatre in one of the nicer apartment buildings in the city. The street below is littered with homelessness and drug use. Multiple Murders this year blocks from where I live. Cars and buildings set ablaze during the riots a month ago. DT Seattle is clearly on a descent. It is what it is. It’s the main reason I am pulling up tent stakes both on my home residence and office/warehouse space In SODO and moving to Bellevue.
    Gotcha. I dont live downtown, but in an adjacent neighborhood. Everything is pretty normal.

    Downtown/Belltown are gross, but pretty much always has been. Theyve needed to make changes for years and years
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,116
    edited July 2020

    All one needs to look at is who are the locals putting on the city council and in the mayors office. This is no longer a trend. Trends can be reversed quickly in politics. This was happening 30 years ago when i lived in Seattle. Rats wanted this, planned and organized. Their dedication is actually something to behold and admired. The end result is disaster. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    When the socialists on the city council ignore the problems and push back on those who are outraged at how far down the city has dropped in quality of life and law and order, they know they are protected, untouchable. Now they are working on getting rid of the police and somehow manage to ignore all the crime, violence and the innocent victims. Just listen to them. They call violent protests where people are murdered and beaten, peaceful. The minions, the mindless followers are doing their dirty work and they approve. Its what they want and fuck the innocent victims.

    What it all means is, the rats are in charge of the ship and that ship is not turning around until it crashes into shore and sinks. Its too late for Seattle and the worst is yet to come because the goose steppers are going to continue to put the vile rat leaders in office.

    If this had been happening 30 years ago, why isn't the city run into the ground by now? I won't argue that Seattle is seeing arguably unprecedented challenges and that there are some kooks on the city council. But there is WAY WAY too much in Seattle for this place to all of sudden wind up with a collectivist mind set. You'll recall there was a murmur about the mob showing up in Medina at one point, and then you never heard it again. There are people who live around Lake Washington who can make pretty big phone calls. The people who organize and show up at $1500 / plate political fund raisers don't protest.

    I think you're seeing the loud minority and reacting to it. If there had been happening 30 years ago, how, then, did the city become so prosperous? How did the east side become Bio Tech Valley? Why has the number of PE firms here increase exponentially in that time period? Where did all of this development in downtown Seattle come from? Belltown was a SHIT HOLE 30 years ago. 20 years ago. Now there are multi-million dollar condo developments there. How did South Lake Union happen? How did the University of Washington go from being a good public university to an elite one?

    There are more million $ boats on Lake Washington than there are 18' Bayliners and SeaRays. I know a lot of those guys; most of them are not coders.

  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,889
    edited July 2020

    How did South Lake Union happen? How did the University of Washington go from being a good public university to an elite one?

    Its full of fags
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,942 Standard Supporter
    @creepycoug: The serious turn for the worse happened in the last 5 years, as city council candidates that were further and further to the left began getting elected and spreading their socialist virus. I disagree with you that the big-check-writing, High-Dollar Dems, I.e., "Durkan's People," have the guts and wherewithal to push back and put out the fires. The problem has gotten too big, entirely under those folks' watch. Firing Nickels because of the once per decade snowstorm was stupid as fuck, but an indicator of things to come. We then got Sierra Club McGinn, followed by Faggot Child Molester Murray, followed by Drag Queen (I mean, c'mon! You can all see the resemblance!) Durkan. These queer, PC, trans-loving, cancel-culture types don't lead in any category except fear, and they are afraid, most of all, at getting tagged with the "Racist" label.

    The tail is wagging the dog, daily and powerfully in Seattle. And there's no end in sight.
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,445

    Another myth of Seattle is how international and metropolitan it is. Yes you like “real” sushi even though your favorite place is Korean owned, and you know the difference between north and South Indian food. However, you’ve fucking never traveled and you see the world through the lense of your bullshit groupthink neighborhood espresso house friends sharing TED talks and npr articles.

    I have way more international friends in Dallas fucking Texas than my friends back in Seattle. It’s geographically a great hub
    for international business between South America and Europe. Most my friends are in Europe or Asia 2/3 times a year for work, and we can discuss much of the world first hand.

    This cultural arrogance Seattle has is so infinitely unwarranted or earned, there’s a reason the only time you come up in the news is to be laughed at.

    How white UW was was a real shock to me coming from Southern California and it was always crazy to me that my friends at UW from Washington talked about how diverse it was.
    Huh? UW is 50% Chinese.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,116
    edited July 2020

    thechatch said:

    It’s never going to be Cleveland or Newark because the economic bases aren’t comparable, especially with it being the POE to the Pacific Rim, but it will certainly becomes a city almost devoid of its founding culture, as it looks to acquiesce to a militant minority voting bloc and cater more and more to foreign Corporate, political, and economic pressure. If Amazon, MS, or Boeing ever decide that they’ve had enough with people like Sawant, it could be dark, dark times for what was once the metropolitan capital of the Pacific NW. There are measures that can be taken to mitigate and prevent such realities, but those are politically problematic for our woke leadership.

    Yeah, but it’s been devoid of it’s true founding culture for a long time due largely to tech, wealth and more outsiders moving here. The city of Ivar Hagland, hydroplane races and Boeing has long since gone. That Seattle was affordable, cozy, small, familiar and incredibly provincial, which is what people miss. In place of all those things, though, are many things that now make the city great. Challenging times but it’s awfully early I to write Seattle off just now.
    I hope you're right of course, but I don't see it trending that way whatsoever. When you have leadership that seeks to decriminalize most criminal activity, and openly despises capitalism, you'll eventually reap what you sew.
    This is the not the Stalin I know. He of iron fist control and steel resolve.

    This hand wringing is downright embarrassing.

    [Be.a.man.gif]
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,116
    edited July 2020

    @creepycoug: The serious turn for the worse happened in the last 5 years, as city council candidates that were further and further to the left began getting elected and spreading their socialist virus. I disagree with you that the big-check-writing, High-Dollar Dems, I.e., "Durkan's People," have the guts and wherewithal to push back and put out the fires. The problem has gotten too big, entirely under those folks' watch. Firing Nickels because of the once per decade snowstorm was stupid as fuck, but an indicator of things to come. We then got Sierra Club McGinn, followed by Faggot Child Molester Murray, followed by Drag Queen (I mean, c'mon! You can all see the resemblance!) Durkan. These queer, PC, trans-loving, cancel-culture types don't lead in any category except fear, and they are afraid, most of all, at getting tagged with the "Racist" label.

    The tail is wagging the dog, daily and powerfully in Seattle. And there's no end in sight.

    Yeah, I get that. And I also get and acknowledge that our homeless popoulation has never been worse.

    But we'll just have to LIPO the city's demise for now. There are too many people with too much money tied up here for the powers that be to just say, "Ok, you can move 12 families into my 11,000 sq ft. house on LW because it's fair." They may not be ostentatious, like they are in the Hamptons, in Coral Gables, in Beverly Hills, etc. But they are as capitalist as any of them, and moreso. The tech capitalist, and his friends in private equity, are souless killers who care about one thing: making trillions of dollars, and then getting to fuck around with it.

    They are not handing over the keys to this city. No without a fight. They are on the sidelines right now because it's somebody else's problem. But no lightweight fucking mayor or commie sitting on the city council is going to override the basic deal with the money class in this town.

    I basically reject the notion that Sawant and a few bananas, coupled with ineffectual mayorship and city government, are going to be the undoing of what Seattle has become.

    The state patrol and, if need be, the national guard will be firing live bullets before a group of thugs threatens Bill and Melinda's neighborhood. There is power in other contituent groups. Like all groups in a democratic free market, they will flex when it's in their interests to flex. Right now, as I said, they can afford to sit on the sideline. For now. The head tax passing might be the blow that gets their attention.

    Otherwise, Durkin and Sawant are small potatuhs; Hyman Roth wouldn't bother with them.
  • LoneStarDawgLoneStarDawg Member Posts: 13,336

    thechatch said:

    It’s never going to be Cleveland or Newark because the economic bases aren’t comparable, especially with it being the POE to the Pacific Rim, but it will certainly becomes a city almost devoid of its founding culture, as it looks to acquiesce to a militant minority voting bloc and cater more and more to foreign Corporate, political, and economic pressure. If Amazon, MS, or Boeing ever decide that they’ve had enough with people like Sawant, it could be dark, dark times for what was once the metropolitan capital of the Pacific NW. There are measures that can be taken to mitigate and prevent such realities, but those are politically problematic for our woke leadership.

    Yeah, but it’s been devoid of it’s true founding culture for a long time due largely to tech, wealth and more outsiders moving here. The city of Ivar Hagland, hydroplane races and Boeing has long since gone. That Seattle was affordable, cozy, small, familiar and incredibly provincial, which is what people miss. In place of all those things, though, are many things that now make the city great. Challenging times but it’s awfully early I to write Seattle off just now.
    I hope you're right of course, but I don't see it trending that way whatsoever. When you have leadership that seeks to decriminalize most criminal activity, and openly despises capitalism, you'll eventually reap what you sew.
    This is the not the Stalin I know. He of iron fist control and steel resolve.

    This hand wringing is downright embarrassing.

    [Be.a.man.gif]
    You’re right, that’s not the “bow down to Willingham” author I know
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,655 Standard Supporter
    Seattle could be a great place but Shitbags are like cats, of you feed them they will stay and you attract more.

    Let them do as they please without repercussions and they'll suck the life out of any city in the planet.
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,704 Standard Supporter
    @creepycoug Hyman Roth would have eliminated Sawant and Jenny, and instilled a good jewish mayor with a supportive council
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,197 Founders Club
    thechatch said:

    As one of the only people that post here that lives petty much in the heart of the city, this isn't really accurate DJ...

    Especially the part about it becoming Cleveland in 2 years.

    Tech is going no where.

    Dont get me wrong, there are some bat shit crazy policies. But it's far from the hell hole my fellow tuggers think it is.

    I live at 9th and Pine, across from the Paramount Theatre in one of the nicer apartment buildings in the city. The street below is littered with homelessness and drug use. Multiple Murders this year blocks from where I live. Cars and buildings set ablaze during the riots a month ago. DT Seattle is clearly on a descent. It is what it is. It’s the main reason I am pulling up tent stakes both on my home residence and office/warehouse space In SODO and moving to Bellevue.
    Sawant is a member of a Marxist organization. All her decisions on the City Council stem from what that organization tells her to do. The chaos you're seeing is not an accident.
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 5,963 Standard Supporter

    All one needs to look at is who are the locals putting on the city council and in the mayors office. This is no longer a trend. Trends can be reversed quickly in politics. This was happening 30 years ago when i lived in Seattle. Rats wanted this, planned and organized. Their dedication is actually something to behold and admired. The end result is disaster. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    When the socialists on the city council ignore the problems and push back on those who are outraged at how far down the city has dropped in quality of life and law and order, they know they are protected, untouchable. Now they are working on getting rid of the police and somehow manage to ignore all the crime, violence and the innocent victims. Just listen to them. They call violent protests where people are murdered and beaten, peaceful. The minions, the mindless followers are doing their dirty work and they approve. Its what they want and fuck the innocent victims.

    What it all means is, the rats are in charge of the ship and that ship is not turning around until it crashes into shore and sinks. Its too late for Seattle and the worst is yet to come because the goose steppers are going to continue to put the vile rat leaders in office.

    If this had been happening 30 years ago, why isn't the city run into the ground by now? I won't argue that Seattle is seeing arguably unprecedented challenges and that there are some kooks on the city council. But there is WAY WAY too much in Seattle for this place to all of sudden wind up with a collectivist mind set. You'll recall there was a murmur about the mob showing up in Medina at one point, and then you never heard it again. There are people who live around Lake Washington who can make pretty big phone calls. The people who organize and show up at $1500 / plate political fund raisers don't protest.

    I think you're seeing the loud minority and reacting to it. If there had been happening 30 years ago, how, then, did the city become so prosperous? How did the east side become Bio Tech Valley? Why has the number of PE firms here increase exponentially in that time period? Where did all of this development in downtown Seattle come from? Belltown was a SHIT HOLE 30 years ago. 20 years ago. Now there are multi-million dollar condo developments there. How did South Lake Union happen? How did the University of Washington go from being a good public university to an elite one?

    There are more million $ boats on Lake Washington than there are 18' Bayliners and SeaRays. I know a lot of those guys; most of them are not coders.

    You pretty much missed my point.

    The West coast (West of the mountain ranges) 30 years ago was diverse in its leadership. That is not the case anymore. They took over with admirable dedication and persistence and it is only the rat way now. Differing opinions need not apply. Now you are seeing what far left leadership brings. Leadership that is unencumbered by any dissenting opinion or perspective is dangerous and has now cost some lives in Seattle. The Seattle city council is a perfect example of what happens when one political perspective runs the other out of town. I have friends in Seattle who won't even discuss politics with me in a restaurant because they are afraid a liberal might hear us.

    This took years to perfect. This perfect lib utopia will be its downfall. All those wonderful businesses Seattle leadership worked so hard to get and now the wacko socialists on the city council are starting to add arbitrary taxes that make them FEEL GOOD about themselves. Do you think Seattle is a corporate destination now? Not a chance. Its like they didn't learn a fucking thing when they put all the businesses out of business by forcing higher minimum wages on them.

    You think the millionaire's on Lake Washington are going to make calls and Sawant and all of her constituents are going to give a shit? Not a chance. Who they going to call? The wacko rat mayor?

    30 years ago no one would have thought that the voters in Seattle would elect an out of the closet and proud Socialist to the city council. Now they have and the ice has been broken. It took years and they won't be happy until they burn it all to the ground and remake it in their image. This liberal transformation of a city is nothing new. Rats have destroyed once vibrant and successful cities all across the country many times over and it didn't happen over night.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,116

    All one needs to look at is who are the locals putting on the city council and in the mayors office. This is no longer a trend. Trends can be reversed quickly in politics. This was happening 30 years ago when i lived in Seattle. Rats wanted this, planned and organized. Their dedication is actually something to behold and admired. The end result is disaster. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    When the socialists on the city council ignore the problems and push back on those who are outraged at how far down the city has dropped in quality of life and law and order, they know they are protected, untouchable. Now they are working on getting rid of the police and somehow manage to ignore all the crime, violence and the innocent victims. Just listen to them. They call violent protests where people are murdered and beaten, peaceful. The minions, the mindless followers are doing their dirty work and they approve. Its what they want and fuck the innocent victims.

    What it all means is, the rats are in charge of the ship and that ship is not turning around until it crashes into shore and sinks. Its too late for Seattle and the worst is yet to come because the goose steppers are going to continue to put the vile rat leaders in office.

    If this had been happening 30 years ago, why isn't the city run into the ground by now? I won't argue that Seattle is seeing arguably unprecedented challenges and that there are some kooks on the city council. But there is WAY WAY too much in Seattle for this place to all of sudden wind up with a collectivist mind set. You'll recall there was a murmur about the mob showing up in Medina at one point, and then you never heard it again. There are people who live around Lake Washington who can make pretty big phone calls. The people who organize and show up at $1500 / plate political fund raisers don't protest.

    I think you're seeing the loud minority and reacting to it. If there had been happening 30 years ago, how, then, did the city become so prosperous? How did the east side become Bio Tech Valley? Why has the number of PE firms here increase exponentially in that time period? Where did all of this development in downtown Seattle come from? Belltown was a SHIT HOLE 30 years ago. 20 years ago. Now there are multi-million dollar condo developments there. How did South Lake Union happen? How did the University of Washington go from being a good public university to an elite one?

    There are more million $ boats on Lake Washington than there are 18' Bayliners and SeaRays. I know a lot of those guys; most of them are not coders.

    You pretty much missed my point.

    The West coast (West of the mountain ranges) 30 years ago was diverse in its leadership. That is not the case anymore. They took over with admirable dedication and persistence and it is only the rat way now. Differing opinions need not apply. Now you are seeing what far left leadership brings. Leadership that is unencumbered by any dissenting opinion or perspective is dangerous and has now cost some lives in Seattle. The Seattle city council is a perfect example of what happens when one political perspective runs the other out of town. I have friends in Seattle who won't even discuss politics with me in a restaurant because they are afraid a liberal might hear us.

    This took years to perfect. This perfect lib utopia will be its downfall. All those wonderful businesses Seattle leadership worked so hard to get and now the wacko socialists on the city council are starting to add arbitrary taxes that make them FEEL GOOD about themselves. Do you think Seattle is a corporate destination now? Not a chance. Its like they didn't learn a fucking thing when they put all the businesses out of business by forcing higher minimum wages on them.

    You think the millionaire's on Lake Washington are going to make calls and Sawant and all of her constituents are going to give a shit? Not a chance. Who they going to call? The wacko rat mayor?

    30 years ago no one would have thought that the voters in Seattle would elect an out of the closet and proud Socialist to the city council. Now they have and the ice has been broken. It took years and they won't be happy until they burn it all to the ground and remake it in their image. This liberal transformation of a city is nothing new. Rats have destroyed once vibrant and successful cities all across the country many times over and it didn't happen over night.
    I don't think I missed your point at all. You're confusing me missing your point with me disagreeing with your point. And that point included an unambiguous statement that this was happening 30 years ago. That there was some collection of agenda'd communists plotting for this day to happen. There have been communists around forever. If this super pac of lefties were intent on effecting a plan, they sucked at it if it took them 30 years to be just now knocking on the door.

    My view differs. Firstly, I don't think people - any people - are that good. I don't think any group of dirty hippies can stick to and execute a plan that rolls out over 30 years. It's a political swing supported by a lot of voting hard left wing smart kids who've moved into the city and, like all generations before them, think they've found the solution to building the best world. New buzz words; same idea. And, the reactionary groups are doing what they've always done. And you add to that the complications of an opiod epidemic, an actual pandemic and yet another race-based inflection point in our society. So there's that - tuff tims.

    But my main hesitation in jumping on the dystopia train with you and the other Tug hand wringers is that there are a lot of powerful, connected capitalists in this city who are not giving up what they have without a fight. They'll call whomever they have to call. What? Everybody is a leftwing nut now and there are no people anywhere who feel differently? This is what makes your take hysterical. You're already at the point where people who command vast resources in industy have no recourse, which is absurd. Money still talks in the U.S. Just watch.

    You have one ineffectual mayor, who herself is a one-percenter, and some wingnuts who've infiltrated the city council. There's a long way to go from that to Seattle - the city of ruins.

    Like I said: LIPO.
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