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Having just been reminded of how badly the ATF fucked this up in Waco

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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,486 Founders Club
    edited June 2020

    Looked into the brick thing bc I was genuinely curious. I'd say 81% is just confirmation bias of people looking for them now. Construction sites from when the vid made a good tim to get work in the street done.

    18% *might be races buddies antifa, tankies, black block, and their supporters trying to escalate things ala fight club.

    1% *might be false flag police, white supremacists, kkk, and whatever other boogeyman insincere can imagine but are more likely foreign actors attempting to add fuel to the fire.

    My business partner told me they found a stash of pipe bombs in Los Angeles

    Either there is a massive news blackout conspiracy or there is no actual news

    Urban Meyer er Legend?
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,400 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
    Riots are outside everyone's "normal" and require abnormal response to quell them. But FYI they have police powers in the entire country and they need bodies out there to stop this lefty aided disaster! They don't have to be in riot gear there are many roles to fill.

    On to whats wrong with this whole picture:

    Isn't it odd how all the lefty states the rioting is occurring in changed to "no bail" policies so rioters and looters can get right back to work? They also emptied the prisons and jails because of the"virus".

    If you don't think much of this was planned in advance you're not paying attention! They are the virus!
    Planned or taken advantage of? I guess I'd rather believe the elected officials are morons that had no idea their stupid ideas were so stupid and the organized left took advantage

    To think that the officials were in on it is not a fun place to go

    Not saying it isn't possible.
    This exactly. Not only not a fun place to go, but also very, very, very optimistic about how smart and thoughtful and disciplined "they" are to be able to piece it together and have it all fall into place without a hiccup. Like you say, certainly possible, but that's a low bar. I'd score it as unlikely.

    Adding on to your "not a fun place to go," I don't think people sufficiently reflect what a shit turn of events that would be if it were the case. Beyond hugely disappointing. But the country is full of people who feed on the drama of such potential scenarios ... almost like they want them to happen. And they go both ways - there's one going around now about Trump's walk to the church being a secret symbol and sign to some secret Evangelical Right group that supposedly goes back to some split in the Christian community at the conclusion of 1960s Civil Rights, where Falwell and his band of weirdos supposedly organized this "End of Days" stealth group who want to white wash America because White Supremacy and all that. You read this shit and it's almost comic book material. I, myself, and am a cynic and just don't think most people are that good to pull it off. It involves too many people and people fuck up and talk and eventually it gets out. Christ Nixon couldn't even spy on the Democrats and Bill couldn't even get a blow job and keep it secret.
    It was really all done well in advance to stir the shit anyway. It all just worked out but they have ANTIFA and many inside the government at all levels to help assist. We saw that with RUSSIA! Leaks, lies, omissions and down right criminal shit. So was it all perfectly planned? No but they already had the wheels turning.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter

    Looked into the brick thing bc I was genuinely curious. I'd say 81% is just confirmation bias of people looking for them now. Construction sites from when the vid made a good tim to get work in the street done.

    18% *might be races buddies antifa, tankies, black block, and their supporters trying to escalate things ala fight club.

    1% *might be false flag police, white supremacists, kkk, and whatever other boogeyman insincere can imagine but are more likely foreign actors attempting to add fuel to the fire.

    Pallets of bricks sitting on sidewalks is fucking weird.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,650

    and in case @creepycoug and everyone else didn't already know I'm strongly opposed to any increase in surveillance.

    This whole thing is a fucking thing BECAUSE WE LIVE UNDER A FUCKING POLICE STATE as Eric July might say.

    the statists will be be revealed in response to this post.

    remember ... whomever approaches you first for a meeting with the state is the traitor. never forget that.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,650
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
    Riots are outside everyone's "normal" and require abnormal response to quell them. But FYI they have police powers in the entire country and they need bodies out there to stop this lefty aided disaster! They don't have to be in riot gear there are many roles to fill.

    On to whats wrong with this whole picture:

    Isn't it odd how all the lefty states the rioting is occurring in changed to "no bail" policies so rioters and looters can get right back to work? They also emptied the prisons and jails because of the"virus".

    If you don't think much of this was planned in advance you're not paying attention! They are the virus!
    Planned or taken advantage of? I guess I'd rather believe the elected officials are morons that had no idea their stupid ideas were so stupid and the organized left took advantage

    To think that the officials were in on it is not a fun place to go

    Not saying it isn't possible.
    This exactly. Not only not a fun place to go, but also very, very, very optimistic about how smart and thoughtful and disciplined "they" are to be able to piece it together and have it all fall into place without a hiccup. Like you say, certainly possible, but that's a low bar. I'd score it as unlikely.

    Adding on to your "not a fun place to go," I don't think people sufficiently reflect what a shit turn of events that would be if it were the case. Beyond hugely disappointing. But the country is full of people who feed on the drama of such potential scenarios ... almost like they want them to happen. And they go both ways - there's one going around now about Trump's walk to the church being a secret symbol and sign to some secret Evangelical Right group that supposedly goes back to some split in the Christian community at the conclusion of 1960s Civil Rights, where Falwell and his band of weirdos supposedly organized this "End of Days" stealth group who want to white wash America because White Supremacy and all that. You read this shit and it's almost comic book material. I, myself, and am a cynic and just don't think most people are that good to pull it off. It involves too many people and people fuck up and talk and eventually it gets out. Christ Nixon couldn't even spy on the Democrats and Bill couldn't even get a blow job and keep it secret.
    It was really all done well in advance to stir the shit anyway. It all just worked out but they have ANTIFA and many inside the government at all levels to help assist. We saw that with RUSSIA! Leaks, lies, omissions and down right criminal shit. So was it all perfectly planned? No but they already had the wheels turning.

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,486 Founders Club
    There is shit blowing up

    Philadelphia police: At least 50 ATMs have been blown up in George Floyd riots; man arrested on WMD charge

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/philadelphia-police-50-atms-blown-up-george-floyd-riots

    Pro tip. Thieves out here put a chain around a stand up ATM and drive off taking the ATM with them. Open at your leisure



    Bank branches try to keep no cash in drawers anymore. It's in teller machines and ATM machines. A lot.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter

    There is shit blowing up

    Philadelphia police: At least 50 ATMs have been blown up in George Floyd riots; man arrested on WMD charge

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/philadelphia-police-50-atms-blown-up-george-floyd-riots

    Pro tip. Thieves out here put a chain around a stand up ATM and drive off taking the ATM with them. Open at your leisure



    Bank branches try to keep no cash in drawers anymore. It's in teller machines and ATM machines. A lot.

    Perfectly peaceful, perfectly lawful.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,124 Swaye's Wigwam

    Looked into the brick thing bc I was genuinely curious. I'd say 81% is just confirmation bias of people looking for them now. Construction sites from when the vid made a good tim to get work in the street done.

    18% *might be races buddies antifa, tankies, black block, and their supporters trying to escalate things ala fight club.

    1% *might be false flag police, white supremacists, kkk, and whatever other boogeyman insincere can imagine but are more likely foreign actors attempting to add fuel to the fire.

    My business partner told me they found a stash of pipe bombs in Los Angeles

    Either there is a massive news blackout conspiracy or there is no actual news

    Urban Meyer er Legend?
    Heard reports of this around quite a few circles. Similar to the covid "Trump is declaring martial law tomorrow" copy pasta. Smells like disinformation whisper campaign stuff.
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