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Having just been reminded of how badly the ATF fucked this up in Waco

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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,752 Standard Supporter
    edited June 2020

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    I don't care if Inslee and Durkin themselves are leading a Mad Max homeless RV brigade down 3rd Ave throwing molotovs at every cop car they see. There are about 20 other law enforcement levers to pull before you get the fucking DEA involved.

    I'll jot you down for #teampolicestate



    No, dickhead.

    I'm for #teamdotherightthing and if that includes rolling out anything and everything available to squash the anarchists, so be it.

    YOUR MadMax statement tells me everything I need to know about your 'concern' for anything other than hanging on to an acute case of TDS.

    So you want to pull out any and all federal law enforcement big guns to squash any sort of domestic squabble. Got it.

    I'm a little more cautious in my preferred approach. There are plenty of federal law enforcement agencies that can handle this. If the feds decide that a few states aren't handling this on their own, and the National Guard isn't properly being dispensed by governors, then go ahead and call in the FBI. You know, the ones who are actually tasked with enforcing domestic terrorism.

    But bring in the DEA and set further precedent that the federal government is willing to activate any and all law enforcement, regardless of that agency's purview? Fuck no.
    There aren't plenty of law enforcement agencies willing to handle it. Because the Jay Inslees and the Jenny Durkins of the world aren't doing shit because of all the feels. Fuck that. If they won't do the right thing, they need to have it done for them.

    Not only is the Federal government willing to activate, they are obligated to do so. It's quite sad they have to - don't put words in my mouth that I like it - I don't. But it's certainly preferably to WTF has been transpiring the last week. Except in Spokane and Coeur d'Alene where the people themselves rose up (including the BLM protestors) and said "Fuck that". But you'll never see that reported outside the local area. Doesn't feed the beast.

    The cockroaches scurry when the Orkin man shows up. So either the governors and mayors does the exterminating or its time to bring in the poison where they won't.



  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,400 Standard Supporter

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,801

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    Somebody has to distribute the crack...
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,752 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    Because your fuckhead leftist pansy fuck progressive governors and mayors WON'T DO SHIT.

    When you can no longer wipe your own ass, the remaining functioning adults bring in someone who will.


  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,985 Standard Supporter

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    I don't care if Inslee and Durkin themselves are leading a Mad Max homeless RV brigade down 3rd Ave throwing molotovs at every cop car they see. There are about 20 other law enforcement levers to pull before you get the fucking DEA involved.

    I'll jot you down for #teampolicestate



    No, dickhead.

    I'm for #teamdotherightthing and if that includes rolling out anything and everything available to squash the anarchists, so be it.

    YOUR MadMax statement tells me everything I need to know about your 'concern' for anything other than hanging on to an acute case of TDS.

    So you want to pull out any and all federal law enforcement big guns to squash any sort of domestic squabble. Got it.

    I'm a little more cautious in my preferred approach. There are plenty of federal law enforcement agencies that can handle this. If the feds decide that a few states aren't handling this on their own, and the National Guard isn't properly being dispensed by governors, then go ahead and call in the FBI. You know, the ones who are actually tasked with enforcing domestic terrorism.

    But bring in the DEA and set further precedent that the federal government is willing to activate any and all law enforcement, regardless of that agency's purview? Fuck no.
    You're just pissed their coming for your Meth. That's still the classiest drug of choice in Greater Auburn, isn't it?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,486 Founders Club
    One more thing about Waco - it had its own untended consequence - Oklahoma City. Ruby Ridge played a role but Timmy was at Waco watching
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,400 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,400 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,124 Swaye's Wigwam
    If explosives are starting to get used(like at Korean War Memorial) you can bet all manner of fed is going to get activated irregardless.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,650
    edited June 2020
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,915
    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    The other problem is the lefty states implemented no bail policies so for rioting, theft and vandalism etc they are simply cited out and they are back on the streets looting again
    This
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,486 Founders Club
    dnc said:
    Two wrongs don't make a right

    Surveillance of all types was being rolled out for the Vid as well. Its all bullshit. These peaceful riots can be stopped with conventional force. It might look bad on TV but that's been the way its been forever.

    2020 is the year of the STATE. That's why the unity at the start of the Floyd incident had to be destroyed.

    By pandemic or panic by any means necessary. If you can't see we really are all in this together I can't help you
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,801

    dnc said:
    This will sort out the statists from the real libertarian individualists.

    What I've found in my travels is 99% of people are full of shit and gladly involve the state into covert ops when they get sufficiently uncomfortable.
    Not I.

    Fuck this.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,486 Founders Club
    2020 has revealed the deep hypocrisy is a stunning way. The left was screaming at people over the VID and the right was saying don't tread on me.

    Now the State regroups and comes after peaceful rioters and the roles reverse somewhat. Not me of course. I hate everyone and everything
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