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Having just been reminded of how badly the ATF fucked this up in Waco

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  • WilburHooksHandsWilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    dnc said:

    2020 has revealed the deep hypocrisy is a stunning way. The left was screaming at people over the VID and the right was saying don't tread on me.

    Now the State regroups and comes after peaceful rioters and the roles reverse somewhat. Not me of course. I hate everyone and everything

    Both sides are massive hypocrites.

    Water is wet.


  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,801

    dnc said:

    2020 has revealed the deep hypocrisy is a stunning way. The left was screaming at people over the VID and the right was saying don't tread on me.

    Now the State regroups and comes after peaceful rioters and the roles reverse somewhat. Not me of course. I hate everyone and everything

    Both sides are massive hypocrites.

    Water is wet.


    Christo
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter

    dnc said:
    Two wrongs don't make a right

    Surveillance of all types was being rolled out for the Vid as well. Its all bullshit. These peaceful riots can be stopped with conventional force. It might look bad on TV but that's been the way its been forever.

    2020 is the year of the STATE. That's why the unity at the start of the Floyd incident had to be destroyed.

    By pandemic or panic by any means necessary. If you can't see we really are all in this together I can't help you
    Chinsightful
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,915

    2020 has revealed the deep hypocrisy is a stunning way. The left was screaming at people over the VID and the right was saying don't tread on me.

    Now the State regroups and comes after peaceful rioters and the roles reverse somewhat. Not me of course. I hate everyone and everything

    If you hold the correct political views then you can violate the orders and social distancing rules that our moral betters want to impose on people who don't hold the correct views.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,400 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
    Riots are outside everyone's "normal" and require abnormal response to quell them. But FYI they have police powers in the entire country and they need bodies out there to stop this lefty aided disaster! They don't have to be in riot gear there are many roles to fill.

    On to whats wrong with this whole picture:

    Isn't it odd how all the lefty states the rioting is occurring in changed to "no bail" policies so rioters and looters can get right back to work? They also emptied the prisons and jails because of the"virus".

    If you don't think much of this was planned in advance you're not paying attention! They are the virus!
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
    Riots are outside everyone's "normal" and require abnormal response to quell them. But FYI they have police powers in the entire country and they need bodies out there to stop this lefty aided disaster! They don't have to be in riot gear there are many roles to fill.

    On to whats wrong with this whole picture:

    Isn't it odd how all the lefty states the rioting is occurring in changed to "no bail" policies so rioters and looters can get right back to work? They also emptied the prisons and jails because of the"virus".

    If you don't think much of this was planned in advance you're not paying attention! They are the virus!
    Planned or taken advantage of? I guess I'd rather believe the elected officials are morons that had no idea their stupid ideas were so stupid and the organized left took advantage

    To think that the officials were in on it is not a fun place to go

    Not saying it isn't possible.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,752 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
    Riots are outside everyone's "normal" and require abnormal response to quell them. But FYI they have police powers in the entire country and they need bodies out there to stop this lefty aided disaster! They don't have to be in riot gear there are many roles to fill.

    On to whats wrong with this whole picture:

    Isn't it odd how all the lefty states the rioting is occurring in changed to "no bail" policies so rioters and looters can get right back to work? They also emptied the prisons and jails because of the"virus".

    If you don't think much of this was planned in advance you're not paying attention! They are the virus!
    Planned or taken advantage of? I guess I'd rather believe the elected officials are morons that had no idea their stupid ideas were so stupid and the organized left took advantage

    To think that the officials were in on it is not a fun place to go

    Not saying it isn't possible.
    Take advantage of. The COVID was planned but the whole Floyd thing was staged like the moonwalk (Hi, OBK), they seized the moment like motherfuckers.

    It scares the fuck out of me to think deep-state government official may be in on the planning of a coupe. Though, clearly, they've tried that via but but Russia over the last 3 years.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,486 Founders Club

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
    Riots are outside everyone's "normal" and require abnormal response to quell them. But FYI they have police powers in the entire country and they need bodies out there to stop this lefty aided disaster! They don't have to be in riot gear there are many roles to fill.

    On to whats wrong with this whole picture:

    Isn't it odd how all the lefty states the rioting is occurring in changed to "no bail" policies so rioters and looters can get right back to work? They also emptied the prisons and jails because of the"virus".

    If you don't think much of this was planned in advance you're not paying attention! They are the virus!
    Planned or taken advantage of? I guess I'd rather believe the elected officials are morons that had no idea their stupid ideas were so stupid and the organized left took advantage

    To think that the officials were in on it is not a fun place to go

    Not saying it isn't possible.
    The circle is closed

    I didn't see any bricks by the way. What am I missing?
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,650

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
    Riots are outside everyone's "normal" and require abnormal response to quell them. But FYI they have police powers in the entire country and they need bodies out there to stop this lefty aided disaster! They don't have to be in riot gear there are many roles to fill.

    On to whats wrong with this whole picture:

    Isn't it odd how all the lefty states the rioting is occurring in changed to "no bail" policies so rioters and looters can get right back to work? They also emptied the prisons and jails because of the"virus".

    If you don't think much of this was planned in advance you're not paying attention! They are the virus!
    Planned or taken advantage of? I guess I'd rather believe the elected officials are morons that had no idea their stupid ideas were so stupid and the organized left took advantage

    To think that the officials were in on it is not a fun place to go

    Not saying it isn't possible.
    This exactly. Not only not a fun place to go, but also very, very, very optimistic about how smart and thoughtful and disciplined "they" are to be able to piece it together and have it all fall into place without a hiccup. Like you say, certainly possible, but that's a low bar. I'd score it as unlikely.

    Adding on to your "not a fun place to go," I don't think people sufficiently reflect what a shit turn of events that would be if it were the case. Beyond hugely disappointing. But the country is full of people who feed on the drama of such potential scenarios ... almost like they want them to happen. And they go both ways - there's one going around now about Trump's walk to the church being a secret symbol and sign to some secret Evangelical Right group that supposedly goes back to some split in the Christian community at the conclusion of 1960s Civil Rights, where Falwell and his band of weirdos supposedly organized this "End of Days" stealth group who want to white wash America because White Supremacy and all that. You read this shit and it's almost comic book material. I, myself, and am a cynic and just don't think most people are that good to pull it off. It involves too many people and people fuck up and talk and eventually it gets out. Christ Nixon couldn't even spy on the Democrats and Bill couldn't even get a blow job and keep it secret.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,486 Founders Club
    Another deputy attorney general

    Look at all the laws and codes in that letter. Fuck. The book of laws should be around 100 pages
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,486 Founders Club
    And yes H's daddy should pay attention to what is going on. Its the same shit they did to him

  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,653 Standard Supporter

    Another deputy attorney general

    Look at all the laws and codes in that letter. Fuck. The book of laws should be around 100 pages
    Let's see. 1. Children's lemonade stands are illegal. 2. Build a tree house, need a permit. Now only 98 left. Way too many laws.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
    Riots are outside everyone's "normal" and require abnormal response to quell them. But FYI they have police powers in the entire country and they need bodies out there to stop this lefty aided disaster! They don't have to be in riot gear there are many roles to fill.

    On to whats wrong with this whole picture:

    Isn't it odd how all the lefty states the rioting is occurring in changed to "no bail" policies so rioters and looters can get right back to work? They also emptied the prisons and jails because of the"virus".

    If you don't think much of this was planned in advance you're not paying attention! They are the virus!
    Planned or taken advantage of? I guess I'd rather believe the elected officials are morons that had no idea their stupid ideas were so stupid and the organized left took advantage

    To think that the officials were in on it is not a fun place to go

    Not saying it isn't possible.
    The circle is closed

    I didn't see any bricks by the way. What am I missing?
    I link, you decide.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,752 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.
    Guess who runs narcotics in our great land? Criminals! So they deal with the worst and most violent of criminals quite regularly. They ain't you typical alphabet agency. They actually do police work! Educate yourself.
    He's just saying it's outside of their normal jurisdiction.
    Riots are outside everyone's "normal" and require abnormal response to quell them. But FYI they have police powers in the entire country and they need bodies out there to stop this lefty aided disaster! They don't have to be in riot gear there are many roles to fill.

    On to whats wrong with this whole picture:

    Isn't it odd how all the lefty states the rioting is occurring in changed to "no bail" policies so rioters and looters can get right back to work? They also emptied the prisons and jails because of the"virus".

    If you don't think much of this was planned in advance you're not paying attention! They are the virus!
    Planned or taken advantage of? I guess I'd rather believe the elected officials are morons that had no idea their stupid ideas were so stupid and the organized left took advantage

    To think that the officials were in on it is not a fun place to go

    Not saying it isn't possible.
    The circle is closed

    I didn't see any bricks by the way. What am I missing?
    The bricks don't throw themselves.

  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,124 Swaye's Wigwam
    Looked into the brick thing bc I was genuinely curious. I'd say 81% is just confirmation bias of people looking for them now. Construction sites from when the vid made a good tim to get work in the street done.

    18% *might be races buddies antifa, tankies, black block, and their supporters trying to escalate things ala fight club.

    1% *might be false flag police, white supremacists, kkk, and whatever other boogeyman insincere can imagine but are more likely foreign actors attempting to add fuel to the fire.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,124 Swaye's Wigwam
    and in case @creepycoug and everyone else didn't already know I'm strongly opposed to any increase in surveillance.

    This whole thing is a fucking thing BECAUSE WE LIVE UNDER A FUCKING POLICE STATE as Eric July might say.
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    THAT’S what horrifies you about Democrat cities in anarchy and innocent people being assaulted and even killed while DemocRAT leaders tell police to stand down? Priorities...
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