He should have just opened up everything, but other than that it is a start
Nope. Trump making Benito, Tojo and Adolph look like the moronic dicks of the west coast that we all already knew them to be.
Trump is starting with 1A. Then he'll move to 2A and so on. Backing them into the corner of obvious lawlessness and disregard for the Constitution. In the meantime, ma and pa business owners are filing suit left and right against the coupe-d'teat governors and they are going to get their shit shoved in.
2A probably not gonna be a big deal, but moving into 3A - that's likely gonna put a crimp on Benito's plan to use the National Guard as contact tracers....not cool to call out the military on its own people.
4A - unreasonable search...yeah, why you think you can come in my home and take my kids? Because I breathe?
Meanwhile, Obama and the boys are shitting their pants.
Trump multi-tasks shit. He lays in wait and then it's like a fucking fireworks show exploding in a massive finale.
I love you man, because T&A, and I respeck your views. But I think you're giving the Prez a massive pass on this. See my post above. If Inslee is wrong, and I have feelings about that myself, then let's use the fucking Commerce clause to establish federal jurisdiction and get some fucking overruling happening stat.
Church? We talkin' about Church? Is that what we talkin' about? Not the economy. Not the economy and business and livlihood. We talkin' about Church! Church! Chuch! We talkin' about the mother fuckin' Church, man! Not my life. Not my bidness. Church!
My personal belief is that Donnie is afraid to get his finger prints on this thing and take over because he doesn't know what's going to happen. He goes from "It's bad. It's really bad." to "Fuck you Fauci". He does not know what to do and doesn't want to make a mistake 5 months out from November.
You have to be a certifiable fan boy to not at least question the point I'm raising. Is he running this or is he not? And if the governors are fucking this up, have Barr write a memo asserting the basis for federal jurisdiction and override Inslee's ass now and open up the fucking economy. Right now, to me, the Mariners are more important that church. It means more to the state. You can fucking pray at home. I do.
Trump rope-a-doped them politically. It's about that simple.
Not a fan of Fow Chee - so I acknowledge that....but maybe Trump is setting Fow Chee up to go down with the rest of the conspirators. Fow Chee is certainly poster boy for bureaucrat living in basement all of a sudden having power. Kind of weird that Trump EO out of existence a boatload of regulatory provisions a couple days ago - he knows the bureaucrats are running amuck.
And while most people can stay home and pray, the point being...all the governors had to do was say 'please'. Most folks are pretty reasonable and will usually do the right thing. But when you TELL somebody not to do something from a perceived position of governmental authority and power, you'll get a big FUCK YOU/DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO/DON'T TREAD ON ME response. And that's exactly what has happened. The more the governors tried to big dick it and set up Phase blah blah blah, the dumber they look.
But that's exactly what they continue to do!!!!!!!!! Big Swinging Dick over business, which is infinitely more important to our society right now.
I say again, Church is about spirituality. Climb a fucking mountain and get closer to the almighty. Or pray by your bedside. The Church employs like 5 people and pays no taxes. Again, it's more important that the Mariners play to a full stadium, and that's barely important.
Sorry. If I think my President knows what to do, and has the power to do it, then Rope-a-Dope takes on his political brilliance is lost on me as my business circles the drain. Bigly lost.
I thought most in the Trump were all 'about that action boss. Again, my question remains unanswered: WHO DA FUCK IN CHARGE HERE?
You know enough to know that you can drive a Panzer division through the Commerce Clause. If what's happening here can't be addressed vis a vis that massive chasm of space in our constitution, the fed is next to powerless and is almost completely useless.
Absent some law passed by the Congress saying otherwise, Fauci is admin. and thus Executive Branch and thus Donnie's to deal with. I don't care that he was already there. If, indeed, he's the problem, then fix the fucking problem. Same with the governors. If they are, indeed, the problem, then override their sorry asses and quit fucking around at the margins with the Church. Save your dry powder for something that matters.
I'm very torn. In name of expediency, I'm want the heavy Hobbesnian hand of the Fed casting aside the lockdowns. But that's against my principles entirely. I agree with Judge Nap on the principles. Or is it Nip?
Nip/Tuck > Nap/Nip
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I'm with Creep to an extent, this whole thing has blown up into such a shit show of who has blood on their hands, that Trump caved a little and erred on the side of caution, giving the lockdowns a little more slack.
I think he can sell this freak event tanking the economy, his ability to lead us back, his willingness to blast China, pretty much everything in his corner.
One of his paths to defeat is negligence in murdering millions with mismanaging Pandemic.
Now that he's saved millions of lives but is still being labeled a murderer, I think this thing has been exposed for what it is and it's time to put the dong back on the table.
Either way the left needs to burn for what they've done to the country.
I think Trump wants to have one state stop a religious service and then he can sick DOJ and its might on the Gov. That makes sense - and he gets all the religious vote no problem. I thought it was obvious when he said he wanted religious services to open up that he personally can't stop the Govs. Hasn't every Pres used threats like that and turned to the DoJ for support?
Why the religious side first? He can count to ten and he gets votes.
If all goes well and church services are held, not sure what his next move will be, iwbiew
I think it is Nap- like I need one after reading all this
That's all well and good, and I understand.
But I remain confused: I thought we? liked Trump because he wasn't a politician. Not because he's a particularly shrewd one.
I don't like much about Trump, but 99.9% of what I do like about him is that he understands business and trade and is very clear which team he plays for. He understands the economy. He understands the relative importance of it.
Standing by pandering to the people who can't sort out another way to worship for a few months, while politically expedient, seems like a priority problem. And, frankly, that crowd is very easily manipulated. I would think it easier to manage that crowd; pander but not prioritize. The business crowd has no feelings. When it comes to commerce, I'm either open for bidness and making money or I'm not. The Church crowd could have been satiated with rhetoric for months.
Jimminy I would have opened up college football with full stadiums before worrying about the churches. We're a pretty big voting block too, and our hobby contributes more to the economy.
I don't think it's pandering, because he doesn't need to.
If he's doing to just get votes and doesn't really care about the issue, which I strongly suspect is the case on both scores, then it is pandering.
I think I can relate to Trump on this. I do think he cares about this issue. I haven't been to church in over 20 years, but I know how important it is to a lot of people. And there's absolutely no reason why people can't social distance and worship at church.
If I'm Trump and in a game of chess with the rogue governors, I can only move one piece at a time. The freedom to worship is a good chess piece to move at this time.
We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out.
Drawing on nothing but my innate rightness, I think this is mostly bullypulpit (ironic) stuff. No US Marshals are going to be escorting congregants into church. However, deeming it a essential service Federally and ensconcing into the hallowed writ of CDC Guidelines, he's giving ammunition to open defiance (bad optics for governors) and lawsuits against states. Probably a no-looser for Trump as a political maneuver.
Grumble Spiltskin is the only poster on Hardcore Husky who would ever type the words "hallowed writ".
We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out.
Drawing on nothing but my innate rightness, I think this is mostly bullypulpit (ironic) stuff. No US Marshals are going to be escorting congregants into church. However, deeming it a essential service Federally and ensconcing into the hallowed writ of CDC Guidelines, he's giving ammunition to open defiance (bad optics for governors) and lawsuits against states. Probably a no-looser for Trump as a political maneuver.
Grumble Spiltskin is the only poster on Hardcore Husky who would ever type the words "hallowed writ".
God bless him
Don’t quote me cunt...unless you have something to says I’ll entertain it on these boards for shits and giiggls...but if you serous got something to say, send me directly, I ain’t scarred a bit. Mighta heard that of me....
We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out.
Drawing on nothing but my innate rightness, I think this is mostly bullypulpit (ironic) stuff. No US Marshals are going to be escorting congregants into church. However, deeming it a essential service Federally and ensconcing into the hallowed writ of CDC Guidelines, he's giving ammunition to open defiance (bad optics for governors) and lawsuits against states. Probably a no-looser for Trump as a political maneuver.
Grumble Spiltskin is the only poster on Hardcore Husky who would ever type the words "hallowed writ".
God bless him
Don’t quote me cunt...unless you have something to says I’ll entertain it on these boards for shits and giiggls...but if you serous got something to say, send me directly, I ain’t scarred a bit. Mighta heard that of me....
I think Trump wants to have one state stop a religious service and then he can sick DOJ and its might on the Gov. That makes sense - and he gets all the religious vote no problem. I thought it was obvious when he said he wanted religious services to open up that he personally can't stop the Govs. Hasn't every Pres used threats like that and turned to the DoJ for support?
Why the religious side first? He can count to ten and he gets votes.
If all goes well and church services are held, not sure what his next move will be, iwbiew
I think it is Nap- like I need one after reading all this
That's all well and good, and I understand.
But I remain confused: I thought we? liked Trump because he wasn't a politician. Not because he's a particularly shrewd one.
I don't like much about Trump, but 99.9% of what I do like about him is that he understands business and trade and is very clear which team he plays for. He understands the economy. He understands the relative importance of it.
Standing by pandering to the people who can't sort out another way to worship for a few months, while politically expedient, seems like a priority problem. And, frankly, that crowd is very easily manipulated. I would think it easier to manage that crowd; pander but not prioritize. The business crowd has no feelings. When it comes to commerce, I'm either open for bidness and making money or I'm not. The Church crowd could have been satiated with rhetoric for months.
Jimminy I would have opened up college football with full stadiums before worrying about the churches. We're a pretty big voting block too, and our hobby contributes more to the economy.
I don't think it's pandering, because he doesn't need to.
If he's doing to just get votes and doesn't really care about the issue, which I strongly suspect is the case on both scores, then it is pandering.
I think I can relate to Trump on this. I do think he cares about this issue. I haven't been to church in over 20 years, but I know how important it is to a lot of people. And there's absolutely no reason why people can't social distance and worship at church.
If I'm Trump and in a game of chess with the rogue governors, I can only move one piece at a time. The freedom to worship is a good chess piece to move at this time.
Of course Stalin is going to ignore the obvious best chess move at this time because communism.
But, no, I reject your position out of hand. It's the economy Stalin.
I ask, again: who employs like 7 people, pays no taxes, won't help you pay your bills, fund your healthcare, save for retirement or add to GDP? If I'm playing chess (btw, why does he have to play chess? I thought we liked Trump because he plays checkers), the business move will make more people happy, and it's the more important move to make. There is no hangover for Church. Open it a week or a year from now, nothing changes with them. They're like Race; they haven't moved.
Bidness? Bidness can rot on the vine. Time is of the essence before we fall into a deeper hole from which it will be more difficult to emerge.
I'm pretty much 1,000% right on this and all the other takes are wrong and apologetic.
I think Trump wants to have one state stop a religious service and then he can sick DOJ and its might on the Gov. That makes sense - and he gets all the religious vote no problem. I thought it was obvious when he said he wanted religious services to open up that he personally can't stop the Govs. Hasn't every Pres used threats like that and turned to the DoJ for support?
Why the religious side first? He can count to ten and he gets votes.
If all goes well and church services are held, not sure what his next move will be, iwbiew
I think it is Nap- like I need one after reading all this
That's all well and good, and I understand.
But I remain confused: I thought we? liked Trump because he wasn't a politician. Not because he's a particularly shrewd one.
I don't like much about Trump, but 99.9% of what I do like about him is that he understands business and trade and is very clear which team he plays for. He understands the economy. He understands the relative importance of it.
Standing by pandering to the people who can't sort out another way to worship for a few months, while politically expedient, seems like a priority problem. And, frankly, that crowd is very easily manipulated. I would think it easier to manage that crowd; pander but not prioritize. The business crowd has no feelings. When it comes to commerce, I'm either open for bidness and making money or I'm not. The Church crowd could have been satiated with rhetoric for months.
Jimminy I would have opened up college football with full stadiums before worrying about the churches. We're a pretty big voting block too, and our hobby contributes more to the economy.
I don't think it's pandering, because he doesn't need to.
If he's doing to just get votes and doesn't really care about the issue, which I strongly suspect is the case on both scores, then it is pandering.
I think I can relate to Trump on this. I do think he cares about this issue. I haven't been to church in over 20 years, but I know how important it is to a lot of people. And there's absolutely no reason why people can't social distance and worship at church.
If I'm Trump and in a game of chess with the rogue governors, I can only move one piece at a time. The freedom to worship is a good chess piece to move at this time.
Of course Stalin is going to ignore the obvious best chess move at this time because communism.
But, no, I reject your position out of hand. It's the economy Stalin.
I ask, again: who employs like 7 people, pays no taxes, won't help you pay your bills, fund your healthcare, save for retirement or add to GDP? If I'm playing chess (btw, why does he have to play chess? I thought we liked Trump because he plays checkers), the business move will make more people happy, and it's the more important move to make. There is no hangover for Church. Open it a week or a year from now, nothing changes with them. They're like Race; they haven't moved.
Bidness? Bidness can rot on the vine. Time is of the essence before we fall into a deeper hole from which it will be more difficult to emerge.
I'm pretty much 1,000% right on this and all the other takes are wrong and apologetic.
I think Trump wants to have one state stop a religious service and then he can sick DOJ and its might on the Gov. That makes sense - and he gets all the religious vote no problem. I thought it was obvious when he said he wanted religious services to open up that he personally can't stop the Govs. Hasn't every Pres used threats like that and turned to the DoJ for support?
Why the religious side first? He can count to ten and he gets votes.
If all goes well and church services are held, not sure what his next move will be, iwbiew
I think it is Nap- like I need one after reading all this
That's all well and good, and I understand.
But I remain confused: I thought we? liked Trump because he wasn't a politician. Not because he's a particularly shrewd one.
I don't like much about Trump, but 99.9% of what I do like about him is that he understands business and trade and is very clear which team he plays for. He understands the economy. He understands the relative importance of it.
Standing by pandering to the people who can't sort out another way to worship for a few months, while politically expedient, seems like a priority problem. And, frankly, that crowd is very easily manipulated. I would think it easier to manage that crowd; pander but not prioritize. The business crowd has no feelings. When it comes to commerce, I'm either open for bidness and making money or I'm not. The Church crowd could have been satiated with rhetoric for months.
Jimminy I would have opened up college football with full stadiums before worrying about the churches. We're a pretty big voting block too, and our hobby contributes more to the economy.
I don't think it's pandering, because he doesn't need to.
If he's doing to just get votes and doesn't really care about the issue, which I strongly suspect is the case on both scores, then it is pandering.
I think I can relate to Trump on this. I do think he cares about this issue. I haven't been to church in over 20 years, but I know how important it is to a lot of people. And there's absolutely no reason why people can't social distance and worship at church.
If I'm Trump and in a game of chess with the rogue governors, I can only move one piece at a time. The freedom to worship is a good chess piece to move at this time.
Of course Stalin is going to ignore the obvious best chess move at this time because communism.
But, no, I reject your position out of hand. It's the economy Stalin.
I ask, again: who employs like 7 people, pays no taxes, won't help you pay your bills, fund your healthcare, save for retirement or add to GDP? If I'm playing chess (btw, why does he have to play chess? I thought we liked Trump because he plays checkers), the business move will make more people happy, and it's the more important move to make. There is no hangover for Church. Open it a week or a year from now, nothing changes with them. They're like Race; they haven't moved.
Bidness? Bidness can rot on the vine. Time is of the essence before we fall into a deeper hole from which it will be more difficult to emerge.
I'm pretty much 1,000% right on this and all the other takes are wrong and apologetic.
I think you under estimate the sincerity of Trump's religious motivation. Mind you, I'm not religious at all and I think there's plenty of hypocrisy in Trump's "finding" religion but I would take him at face value on this one that he really does give a shit about people's freedom to worship.
Atbs Jake browning and lockdowns suck. I share your wish that he'd get things moving but a libertarian president(which he shares some characteristics of) makes a poor dictator.
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If I'm Trump and in a game of chess with the rogue governors, I can only move one piece at a time. The freedom to worship is a good chess piece to move at this time.
God bless him
But, no, I reject your position out of hand. It's the economy Stalin.
I ask, again: who employs like 7 people, pays no taxes, won't help you pay your bills, fund your healthcare, save for retirement or add to GDP?
If I'm playing chess (btw, why does he have to play chess? I thought we liked Trump because he plays checkers), the business move will make more people happy, and it's the more important move to make. There is no hangover for Church. Open it a week or a year from now, nothing changes with them. They're like Race; they haven't moved.
Bidness? Bidness can rot on the vine. Time is of the essence before we fall into a deeper hole from which it will be more difficult to emerge.
I'm pretty much 1,000% right on this and all the other takes are wrong and apologetic.
I’m not looking for confirmation bias, but I haven’t seen any constitutional law expert give an analysis that suggests he Trump can override anyone.
Atbs Jake browning and lockdowns suck. I share your wish that he'd get things moving but a libertarian president(which he shares some characteristics of) makes a poor dictator.