Trump issues a Command to Inslee

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A win for 1A in my opinion
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He should have just opened up everything, but other than that it is a start
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We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
We can pop popcorn, watch and pop off since it’s really the only show in town.
I do like Trumps 1A move here. Can’t wait for Inslees response -
This just in.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out.
The states aren't working it out. -
Freedom of Religion is protected under the Constitution. How does opening places of worship fly in the face of the Constitution? Especially when churches seem to be targeted by Dem governors during this Hoax.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
Of course a racist magtard would cheer a "Supremacy" clause¡1111¡NorthwestFresh said:
Freedom of Religion is protected under the Constitution. How does opening places of worship fly in the face of the Constitution? Especially when churches seem to be targeted by Dem governors during this Hoax.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
Drawing on nothing but my innate rightness, I think this is mostly bullypulpit (ironic) stuff. No US Marshals are going to be escorting congregants into church. However, deeming it a essential service Federally and ensconcing into the hallowed writ of CDC Guidelines, he's giving ammunition to open defiance (bad optics for governors) and lawsuits against states. Probably a no-looser for Trump as a political maneuver.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
Curious what you mean by “being targeted.”NorthwestFresh said:
Freedom of Religion is protected under the Constitution. How does opening places of worship fly in the face of the Constitution? Especially when churches seem to be targeted by Dem governors during this Hoax.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
Are you curious what he means by "Hoax"?MelloDawg said:
Curious what you mean by “being targeted.”NorthwestFresh said:
Freedom of Religion is protected under the Constitution. How does opening places of worship fly in the face of the Constitution? Especially when churches seem to be targeted by Dem governors during this Hoax.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
Which one?
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No, it is clear some think the severity of COVID-19 is a hoax.HHusky said:
Are you curious what he means by "Hoax"?MelloDawg said:
Curious what you mean by “being targeted.”NorthwestFresh said:
Freedom of Religion is protected under the Constitution. How does opening places of worship fly in the face of the Constitution? Especially when churches seem to be targeted by Dem governors during this Hoax.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
Tanned, rested & ready -
You and our nation's Founding Fathers shared big laughs in the media room over that articleMikeDamone said:A win for 1A in my opinion
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That's the mercurial beauty of Trump.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
That's a lot of fancy schmancy writing for 'smoke and mirrors'.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Drawing on nothing but my innate rightness, I think this is mostly bullypulpit (ironic) stuff. No US Marshals are going to be escorting congregants into church. However, deeming it a essential service Federally and ensconcing into the hallowed writ of CDC Guidelines, he's giving ammunition to open defiance (bad optics for governors) and lawsuits against states. Probably a no-looser for Trump as a political maneuver.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
That's not the point.salemcoog said:
This just in.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out.
The states aren't working it out. -
it will be interesting if any state sends in the troopers to attempt to stop any service this weekend. If they go for one religion, they better go for all of them
First to be rounded up - the Jews tomorrow...
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Nope. Trump making Benito, Tojo and Adolph look like the moronic dicks of the west coast that we all already knew them to be.LebamDawg said:He should have just opened up everything, but other than that it is a start
Trump is starting with 1A. Then he'll move to 2A and so on. Backing them into the corner of obvious lawlessness and disregard for the Constitution. In the meantime, ma and pa business owners are filing suit left and right against the coupe-d'teat governors and they are going to get their shit shoved in.
2A probably not gonna be a big deal, but moving into 3A - that's likely gonna put a crimp on Benito's plan to use the National Guard as contact tracers....not cool to call out the military on its own people.
4A - unreasonable search...yeah, why you think you can come in my home and take my kids? Because I breathe?
Meanwhile, Obama and the boys are shitting their pants.
Trump multi-tasks shit. He lays in wait and then it's like a fucking fireworks show exploding in a massive finale.
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Also not my point. Almost everything we're experiencing in terms of state and local government mandate can be challenged under the US Constitution.NorthwestFresh said:
Freedom of Religion is protected under the Constitution. How does opening places of worship fly in the face of the Constitution? Especially when churches seem to be targeted by Dem governors during this Hoax.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out.
I've said from the beginning that something (allegedly) this threatening to health, welfare and safety of US citizens has "executive branch" written all over it. The WH is either in charge of this or it's not. It's not a sometimes thing. Own it or delegate.
Trump's supporters laud his directness and his flouting of convention and his record for 'Just Do Something'. And those are, indeed, qualities in Trump.
But, of course, all of these stay-at-home orders, and related federal support for various things, like healthcare, emergency funds, etc., has been terribly controversial. All you have to do is spend 5 minutes in the Tug and you can easily find 1,000 posts bitching about the government. Of course, in the Tug, it's most fun to focus on the liberal west coast governors. But I ask, not rhetorically, who the fuck is in charge here? Inslee? Really?
During a war, we know the governors are not in charge and give two fucks what they say. What's the deal here? Is the fed in charge or are they rightfully deferring to the states on some legal theory that this rightly at matter of state sovereignty?
My observation is that Trump, and his fans, tend to vacillate on this point. Simply focusing on religion, which is politically brilliant but practically stupid, is convenient, but not at all helpful. Let me be clear on this point: if I think this is all an overreaction to a small problem, and my life is being ruined (luckily that's not happening to me ... yet) because of 'stay at home', and I think that this is all state government overreach, then I'm saying this:
WHERE DA FUCK YOU AT DON? OVERRULE THESE FUCKING CLOWNS AND OPEN THIS SHIT UP. YESTERDAY.
So, why isn't there a bigger battle cry and appeal to the fed? If he can force the church issue, then why can't he force everything else?
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I love you man, because T&A, and I respeck your views. But I think you're giving the Prez a massive pass on this. See my post above. If Inslee is wrong, and I have feelings about that myself, then let's use the fucking Commerce clause to establish federal jurisdiction and get some fucking overruling happening stat.PurpleThrobber said:
Nope. Trump making Benito, Tojo and Adolph look like the moronic dicks of the west coast that we all already knew them to be.LebamDawg said:He should have just opened up everything, but other than that it is a start
Trump is starting with 1A. Then he'll move to 2A and so on. Backing them into the corner of obvious lawlessness and disregard for the Constitution. In the meantime, ma and pa business owners are filing suit left and right against the coupe-d'teat governors and they are going to get their shit shoved in.
2A probably not gonna be a big deal, but moving into 3A - that's likely gonna put a crimp on Benito's plan to use the National Guard as contact tracers....not cool to call out the military on its own people.
4A - unreasonable search...yeah, why you think you can come in my home and take my kids? Because I breathe?
Meanwhile, Obama and the boys are shitting their pants.
Trump multi-tasks shit. He lays in wait and then it's like a fucking fireworks show exploding in a massive finale.
Church? We talkin' about Church? Is that what we talkin' about? Not the economy. Not the economy and business and livlihood. We talkin' about Church! Church! Chuch! We talkin' about the mother fuckin' Church, man! Not my life. Not my bidness. Church!
My personal belief is that Donnie is afraid to get his finger prints on this thing and take over because he doesn't know what's going to happen. He goes from "It's bad. It's really bad." to "Fuck you Fauci". He does not know what to do and doesn't want to make a mistake 5 months out from November.
You have to be a certifiable fan boy to not at least question the point I'm raising. Is he running this or is he not? And if the governors are fucking this up, have Barr write a memo asserting the basis for federal jurisdiction and override Inslee's ass now and open up the fucking economy. Right now, to me, the Mariners are more important that church. It means more to the state. You can fucking pray at home. I do. -
Maybe Trumpster was just waiting to see what the polls did?
They drop, he begins to act, as the @PurpleThrobber suggested a step by step action.
I think it will be based on polls. If they go up by Monday further action required.
In West coast States it don't mean nothing as he will be at 25% of the vote in November -
You're reading his comment wrong. Which isn't surprising. Because you're dumb.NorthwestFresh said:
Freedom of Religion is protected under the Constitution. How does opening places of worship fly in the face of the Constitution? Especially when churches seem to be targeted by Dem governors during this Hoax.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
Trump rope-a-doped them politically. It's about that simple.creepycoug said:
I love you man, because T&A, and I respeck your views. But I think you're giving the Prez a massive pass on this. See my post above. If Inslee is wrong, and I have feelings about that myself, then let's use the fucking Commerce clause to establish federal jurisdiction and get some fucking overruling happening stat.PurpleThrobber said:
Nope. Trump making Benito, Tojo and Adolph look like the moronic dicks of the west coast that we all already knew them to be.LebamDawg said:He should have just opened up everything, but other than that it is a start
Trump is starting with 1A. Then he'll move to 2A and so on. Backing them into the corner of obvious lawlessness and disregard for the Constitution. In the meantime, ma and pa business owners are filing suit left and right against the coupe-d'teat governors and they are going to get their shit shoved in.
2A probably not gonna be a big deal, but moving into 3A - that's likely gonna put a crimp on Benito's plan to use the National Guard as contact tracers....not cool to call out the military on its own people.
4A - unreasonable search...yeah, why you think you can come in my home and take my kids? Because I breathe?
Meanwhile, Obama and the boys are shitting their pants.
Trump multi-tasks shit. He lays in wait and then it's like a fucking fireworks show exploding in a massive finale.
Church? We talkin' about Church? Is that what we talkin' about? Not the economy. Not the economy and business and livlihood. We talkin' about Church! Church! Chuch! We talkin' about the mother fuckin' Church, man! Not my life. Not my bidness. Church!
My personal belief is that Donnie is afraid to get his finger prints on this thing and take over because he doesn't know what's going to happen. He goes from "It's bad. It's really bad." to "Fuck you Fauci". He does not know what to do and doesn't want to make a mistake 5 months out from November.
You have to be a certifiable fan boy to not at least question the point I'm raising. Is he running this or is he not? And if the governors are fucking this up, have Barr write a memo asserting the basis for federal jurisdiction and override Inslee's ass now and open up the fucking economy. Right now, to me, the Mariners are more important that church. It means more to the state. You can fucking pray at home. I do.
Not a fan of Fow Chee - so I acknowledge that....but maybe Trump is setting Fow Chee up to go down with the rest of the conspirators. Fow Chee is certainly poster boy for bureaucrat living in basement all of a sudden having power. Kind of weird that Trump EO out of existence a boatload of regulatory provisions a couple days ago - he knows the bureaucrats are running amuck.
And while most people can stay home and pray, the point being...all the governors had to do was say 'please'. Most folks are pretty reasonable and will usually do the right thing. But when you TELL somebody not to do something from a perceived position of governmental authority and power, you'll get a big FUCK YOU/DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO/DON'T TREAD ON ME response. And that's exactly what has happened. The more the governors tried to big dick it and set up Phase blah blah blah, the dumber they look.
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That's all probably true. And if he's taking a step-by-step, I sure wish he'd chosen to focus on business before pandering to the religion crowd. I'm sincerely flabbergasted over the priorities here. Something entirely unnecessary, entities that don't pay taxes and hardly employ anybody, getting the benefit of federal intervention while business continues to bleed.LebamDawg said:Maybe Trumpster was just waiting to see what the polls did?
They drop, he begins to act, as the @PurpleThrobber suggested a step by step action.
I think it will be based on polls. If they go up by Monday further action required.
In West coast States it don't mean nothing as he will be at 25% of the vote in November
Fuck me. If I were a Trump fanboy, he'd have lost me with this move. Get your priorities straight Mr. President. -
It's something we faggot hollow men like to do. We like to do that.creepycoug said:
That's a lot of fancy schmancy writing for 'smoke and mirrors'.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Drawing on nothing but my innate rightness, I think this is mostly bullypulpit (ironic) stuff. No US Marshals are going to be escorting congregants into church. However, deeming it a essential service Federally and ensconcing into the hallowed writ of CDC Guidelines, he's giving ammunition to open defiance (bad optics for governors) and lawsuits against states. Probably a no-looser for Trump as a political maneuver.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
Judge Napolitano: Trump has no authority to override church bans, but can do this
https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-napolitano-trump-has-no-authority-to-override-church-ban-but-has-other-recourse -
It isMelloDawg said:
No, it is clear some think the severity of COVID-19 is a hoax.HHusky said:
Are you curious what he means by "Hoax"?MelloDawg said:
Curious what you mean by “being targeted.”NorthwestFresh said:
Freedom of Religion is protected under the Constitution. How does opening places of worship fly in the face of the Constitution? Especially when churches seem to be targeted by Dem governors during this Hoax.creepycoug said:We have to pick a horse here: either the federal executive branch is in charge, or they are not.
We've done some shifting on that point her in the Tug. We can't celebrate orders and then rely on state sovereignty for "why isn't Trump doing anything?"
All of this shit can be argued flies in the face of the US Constitution.
Own it or let the states work it out. -
But that's exactly what they continue to do!!!!!!!!! Big Swinging Dick over business, which is infinitely more important to our society right now.PurpleThrobber said:
Trump rope-a-doped them politically. It's about that simple.creepycoug said:
I love you man, because T&A, and I respeck your views. But I think you're giving the Prez a massive pass on this. See my post above. If Inslee is wrong, and I have feelings about that myself, then let's use the fucking Commerce clause to establish federal jurisdiction and get some fucking overruling happening stat.PurpleThrobber said:
Nope. Trump making Benito, Tojo and Adolph look like the moronic dicks of the west coast that we all already knew them to be.LebamDawg said:He should have just opened up everything, but other than that it is a start
Trump is starting with 1A. Then he'll move to 2A and so on. Backing them into the corner of obvious lawlessness and disregard for the Constitution. In the meantime, ma and pa business owners are filing suit left and right against the coupe-d'teat governors and they are going to get their shit shoved in.
2A probably not gonna be a big deal, but moving into 3A - that's likely gonna put a crimp on Benito's plan to use the National Guard as contact tracers....not cool to call out the military on its own people.
4A - unreasonable search...yeah, why you think you can come in my home and take my kids? Because I breathe?
Meanwhile, Obama and the boys are shitting their pants.
Trump multi-tasks shit. He lays in wait and then it's like a fucking fireworks show exploding in a massive finale.
Church? We talkin' about Church? Is that what we talkin' about? Not the economy. Not the economy and business and livlihood. We talkin' about Church! Church! Chuch! We talkin' about the mother fuckin' Church, man! Not my life. Not my bidness. Church!
My personal belief is that Donnie is afraid to get his finger prints on this thing and take over because he doesn't know what's going to happen. He goes from "It's bad. It's really bad." to "Fuck you Fauci". He does not know what to do and doesn't want to make a mistake 5 months out from November.
You have to be a certifiable fan boy to not at least question the point I'm raising. Is he running this or is he not? And if the governors are fucking this up, have Barr write a memo asserting the basis for federal jurisdiction and override Inslee's ass now and open up the fucking economy. Right now, to me, the Mariners are more important that church. It means more to the state. You can fucking pray at home. I do.
Not a fan of Fow Chee - so I acknowledge that....but maybe Trump is setting Fow Chee up to go down with the rest of the conspirators. Fow Chee is certainly poster boy for bureaucrat living in basement all of a sudden having power. Kind of weird that Trump EO out of existence a boatload of regulatory provisions a couple days ago - he knows the bureaucrats are running amuck.
And while most people can stay home and pray, the point being...all the governors had to do was say 'please'. Most folks are pretty reasonable and will usually do the right thing. But when you TELL somebody not to do something from a perceived position of governmental authority and power, you'll get a big FUCK YOU/DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO/DON'T TREAD ON ME response. And that's exactly what has happened. The more the governors tried to big dick it and set up Phase blah blah blah, the dumber they look.
I say again, Church is about spirituality. Climb a fucking mountain and get closer to the almighty. Or pray by your bedside. The Church employs like 5 people and pays no taxes. Again, it's more important that the Mariners play to a full stadium, and that's barely important.
Sorry. If I think my President knows what to do, and has the power to do it, then Rope-a-Dope takes on his political brilliance is lost on me as my business circles the drain. Bigly lost.
I thought most in the Trump were all 'about that action boss. Again, my question remains unanswered: WHO DA FUCK IN CHARGE HERE?
You know enough to know that you can drive a Panzer division through the Commerce Clause. If what's happening here can't be addressed vis a vis that massive chasm of space in our constitution, the fed is next to powerless and is almost completely useless.
Absent some law passed by the Congress saying otherwise, Fauci is admin. and thus Executive Branch and thus Donnie's to deal with. I don't care that he was already there. If, indeed, he's the problem, then fix the fucking problem. Same with the governors. If they are, indeed, the problem, then override their sorry asses and quit fucking around at the margins with the Church. Save your dry powder for something that matters. -
I think he is saving his dry powder. Not sure what he's got in store but something in my gut tells me there is about to be hell to pay. Just a hunch.creepycoug said:
But that's exactly what they continue to do!!!!!!!!! Big Swinging Dick over business, which is infinitely more important to our society right now.PurpleThrobber said:
Trump rope-a-doped them politically. It's about that simple.creepycoug said:
I love you man, because T&A, and I respeck your views. But I think you're giving the Prez a massive pass on this. See my post above. If Inslee is wrong, and I have feelings about that myself, then let's use the fucking Commerce clause to establish federal jurisdiction and get some fucking overruling happening stat.PurpleThrobber said:
Nope. Trump making Benito, Tojo and Adolph look like the moronic dicks of the west coast that we all already knew them to be.LebamDawg said:He should have just opened up everything, but other than that it is a start
Trump is starting with 1A. Then he'll move to 2A and so on. Backing them into the corner of obvious lawlessness and disregard for the Constitution. In the meantime, ma and pa business owners are filing suit left and right against the coupe-d'teat governors and they are going to get their shit shoved in.
2A probably not gonna be a big deal, but moving into 3A - that's likely gonna put a crimp on Benito's plan to use the National Guard as contact tracers....not cool to call out the military on its own people.
4A - unreasonable search...yeah, why you think you can come in my home and take my kids? Because I breathe?
Meanwhile, Obama and the boys are shitting their pants.
Trump multi-tasks shit. He lays in wait and then it's like a fucking fireworks show exploding in a massive finale.
Church? We talkin' about Church? Is that what we talkin' about? Not the economy. Not the economy and business and livlihood. We talkin' about Church! Church! Chuch! We talkin' about the mother fuckin' Church, man! Not my life. Not my bidness. Church!
My personal belief is that Donnie is afraid to get his finger prints on this thing and take over because he doesn't know what's going to happen. He goes from "It's bad. It's really bad." to "Fuck you Fauci". He does not know what to do and doesn't want to make a mistake 5 months out from November.
You have to be a certifiable fan boy to not at least question the point I'm raising. Is he running this or is he not? And if the governors are fucking this up, have Barr write a memo asserting the basis for federal jurisdiction and override Inslee's ass now and open up the fucking economy. Right now, to me, the Mariners are more important that church. It means more to the state. You can fucking pray at home. I do.
Not a fan of Fow Chee - so I acknowledge that....but maybe Trump is setting Fow Chee up to go down with the rest of the conspirators. Fow Chee is certainly poster boy for bureaucrat living in basement all of a sudden having power. Kind of weird that Trump EO out of existence a boatload of regulatory provisions a couple days ago - he knows the bureaucrats are running amuck.
And while most people can stay home and pray, the point being...all the governors had to do was say 'please'. Most folks are pretty reasonable and will usually do the right thing. But when you TELL somebody not to do something from a perceived position of governmental authority and power, you'll get a big FUCK YOU/DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO/DON'T TREAD ON ME response. And that's exactly what has happened. The more the governors tried to big dick it and set up Phase blah blah blah, the dumber they look.
I say again, Church is about spirituality. Climb a fucking mountain and get closer to the almighty. Or pray by your bedside. The Church employs like 5 people and pays no taxes. Again, it's more important that the Mariners play to a full stadium, and that's barely important.
Sorry. If I think my President knows what to do, and has the power to do it, then Rope-a-Dope takes on his political brilliance is lost on me as my business circles the drain. Bigly lost.
I thought most in the Trump were all 'about that action boss. Again, my question remains unanswered: WHO DA FUCK IN CHARGE HERE?
You know enough to know that you can drive a Panzer division through the Commerce Clause. If what's happening here can't be addressed vis a vis that massive chasm of space in our constitution, the fed is next to powerless and is almost completely useless.
Absent some law passed by the Congress saying otherwise, Fauci is admin. and thus Executive Branch and thus Donnie's to deal with. I don't care that he was already there. If, indeed, he's the problem, then fix the fucking problem. Same with the governors. If they are, indeed, the problem, then override their sorry asses and quit fucking around at the margins with the Church. Save your dry powder for something that matters.
There's also some other crazy shit going down -will have a better read on that next week after a couple phone calls.