Disagree. Installing Lake is a no-brainer. It hopefully keeps the aspects of Petersen that made this program successful, and injects an energy that was holding it back. And I don't care if Lake has yet to prove himself as a defensive play caller. He doesn't need to do that anymore. We know he can build a defense, he can recruit like an animal, and he's a top-notch motivator in a profession where that quality is almost half the battle these days. I don't think anyone else on the staff has the potential to be an elite head coach besides Lake, and going outside of the program for a new-hire would be throwing out the baby with the bath water.
"We know he can build a defense"
We do?
"he can recruit like an animal"
I love the guy but he's never been close on any 5 star DB's, not even Kelee Ringo who he had plenty of inside edge for.
"and he's a top-notch motivator"
I'll give you this.
I like Lake. He's a great asset to the program. People who insinuated we would be better off without him were absolutely FS.
HC is a whole different thing. Sure you can squint and see him as a great HC but the most important thing an HC does is hire assistants and so far Jimmy has hired .... Will Harris. Who has done as much of an impact on the program as you or I have.
There are a ton of ways this goes very, very badly.
Lost #metoo. And I’m looking for any reason to try and remain optimistic most of the time because I can’t deal with predicting failure. I officially think this ends badly. Mediocre football is coming, great recruiting classes or not.
Lost #metoo. And I’m looking for any reason to try and remain optimistic most of the time because I can’t deal with predicting failure. I officially think this ends badly. Mediocre football is coming, great recruiting classes or not.
If our offense looks good next hear we are going to be fine. If our offense looks as bad as I expect it to, the program is going to need an overhaul in another year or two. The foundation that Pete built will be worthless. This is so stupid on so many levels.
Yeah, for being a "football school" it is pretty lame that the AD was content to settle for the coach-in-waiting approach with a guy who has never been HC anywhere. Urban Meyer would never come here, but it would've at least shown the fans that the AD is trying hard if they were able to get a meeting or some lines of communication with Team Urban.
Ohio State and Oklahoma are very recent test cases of how successful this "lame" approach is. If you think this program is better than it's 7-5 record and has the infrastructure currently in place to be a top ten team, and I think it does, then hiring internally is the move. Especially when you have a future head coach already in the assistant ranks, which is not the case for most programs. Add in the bonus of freeing up a lot more salary for assistant coaches ($3M for Lake is nothing), and it would be ridiculous for the AD to embark on an outside candidate search.
Oklahoma hired an absolute hot shot coordinator who excels at developing the most important position. tOSU hired a guy who had already been their HC for three games and whose offense dropped 40 on a ranked team in the process.
Day had 5 years experience as a coordinator.
Riley had 7 years experience as a coordinator.
Lake has two years and no one really knows how much control he really had over the defense in those two years.
This is not the same thing, at all.
Both those guys turned units that needed improvement to among the very best in the country. Lake took over a defense that was absolutely rolling and it regressed.
I don’t love it. There are some possible benefits. It opens us up to potentially getting certain recruits. The OKG stuff will loosen up a bit.
At the same time, Pete was widely respected and got recruits on his coaching merit himself, which Lake does not currently have. He also held onto his recruits and other than his offense was rock solid as a CEO and forming the program to his identity. Before this year, that was always a huge benefit.
Disagree. Installing Lake is a no-brainer. It hopefully keeps the aspects of Petersen that made this program successful, and injects an energy that was holding it back. And I don't care if Lake has yet to prove himself as a defensive play caller. He doesn't need to do that anymore. We know he can build a defense, he can recruit like an animal, and he's a top-notch motivator in a profession where that quality is almost half the battle these days. I don't think anyone else on the staff has the potential to be an elite head coach besides Lake, and going outside of the program for a new-hire would be throwing out the baby with the bath water.
No-brainer is officially a step below a half-brainer.
I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.
But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.
UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.
I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.
This is definitely the pro Lake argument.
Hopefully it works out.
Yep, that thinking I can dig.
I just think it's optimistic to think "Lake can keep the best parts of Pete's program." We don't know that at all. Hopefully Kwat wants to coach here for another ten years. If that's the case this has a much better chance of working out. I'm not optimistic Lake has the stones to make a big time OC hire but if he does I'll be wishing I could delete this thread rather quickly. That would say a whole lot.
Where was the program going with Peterson at the helm? He wasn't going to win many more championships with an improving Pac12. A change needed to be made and Lake is likely the best option right now. He gets his 2-3 years and if he avoids losing seasons then possibly more. Were you happy with the direction Peterson was going?
The fuck does this have to do with anything? Are you saying they forced Pete out?
Regardless, yes, I'd rather have Pete as HC than Lake. Obviously Pete doesn't want to do it anymore so c'est la vie. I'd rather do a real coaching search than hand it to over to the best guy on the staff. Our history of settling for the most convenient hire shows it almost never works except perhaps for when they hired Jenn. Though that one is now in doubt too.
Doubting Cohens competence for a hire that hasn't had a chance to prove himself either way is fucking stupid considering her body of work so far.
I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.
But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.
UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.
I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.
This is definitely the pro Lake argument.
Hopefully it works out.
Yep, that thinking I can dig.
I just think it's optimistic to think "Lake can keep the best parts of Pete's program." We don't know that at all. Hopefully Kwat wants to coach here for another ten years. If that's the case this has a much better chance of working out. I'm not optimistic Lake has the stones to make a big time OC hire but if he does I'll be wishing I could delete this thread rather quickly. That would say a whole lot.
The funny thing is I pretty much still agree with everything said in this thread. There was reason to be optimistic about Lake, there was reason to be skeptical that he was ready, and there was reason to wait and see who he hired as an OC before judging.
As soon as he hired Donovan it was clear that this would not go as we had hoped
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As soon as he hired Donovan it was clear that this would not go as we had hoped