Yeah, I was so excited for a real season I wasn’t going to let shitty recruiting affect my optimism. I thought we were talented. We lost to fucking Montana.
Yeah, I was so excited for a real season I wasn’t going to let shitty recruiting affect my optimism. I thought we were talented. We lost to fucking Montana.
The assistant coach failures were a stronger indicator than the recruiting issues. The recruiting issues just point back to the failure to hire an assistant worth a damn.
Yeah, I was so excited for a real season I wasn’t going to let shitty recruiting affect my optimism. I thought we were talented. We lost to fucking Montana.
The assistant coach failures were a stronger indicator than the recruiting issues. The recruiting issues just point back to the failure to hire an assistant worth a damn.
Lake has hired 3 assistants so far? Donovan, Cato and the DL coach.
Cato was the only somewhat acceptable hire - it’s not crazy to promote a GA to be the TE coach.
Disagree. Installing Lake is a no-brainer. It hopefully keeps the aspects of Petersen that made this program successful, and injects an energy that was holding it back. And I don't care if Lake has yet to prove himself as a defensive play caller. He doesn't need to do that anymore. We know he can build a defense, he can recruit like an animal, and he's a top-notch motivator in a profession where that quality is almost half the battle these days. I don't think anyone else on the staff has the potential to be an elite head coach besides Lake, and going outside of the program for a new-hire would be throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Lake can start winning me over by firing Bob Gregory. Tomorrow.
So we can see I was very unsure of this hire from day 1, and when Gregory became DC my worst nightmare was realized. Lake has to go. Not one metric in this program points to long term success. Not one.
Yeah, I was so excited for a real season I wasn’t going to let shitty recruiting affect my optimism. I thought we were talented. We lost to fucking Montana.
The assistant coach failures were a stronger indicator than the recruiting issues. The recruiting issues just point back to the failure to hire an assistant worth a damn.
This. So much this. My uncertainty and general feeling of "this guy is going to suck" all started with coach hires/retention. If JonDon is the best you can do for an OC I just knew we were cooked. Canary in the coal mine as I've been saying. Then when Kwat left, which was a huge indicator in and of itself, and we tapped GREGORY to replace him, I knew 100% we were well and truly fucked. We can't recruit because we don't have recruiters and Lake is not half the closer Petey was.
Lake can start winning me over by firing Bob Gregory. Tomorrow.
So we can see I was very unsure of this hire from day 1, and when Gregory became DC my worst nightmare was realized. Lake has to go. Not one metric in this program points to long term success. Not one.
Why do you hate more fireworks and the helmet car? You of all people should be quite happy with more fireworks.
I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.
But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.
UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.
I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.
This is definitely the pro Lake argument.
Hopefully it works out.
Yep, that thinking I can dig.
I just think it's optimistic to think "Lake can keep the best parts of Pete's program." We don't know that at all. Hopefully Kwat wants to coach here for another ten years. If that's the case this has a much better chance of working out. I'm not optimistic Lake has the stones to make a big time OC hire but if he does I'll be wishing I could delete this thread rather quickly. That would say a whole lot.
Jimmy's gonna hire Paul Johnson and completely turn the conference on its head. #60RushesFTW
Grumble should have bumped the hell out of this call with a RUN THE DAMN BALL pic
Disagree. Installing Lake is a no-brainer. It hopefully keeps the aspects of Petersen that made this program successful, and injects an energy that was holding it back. And I don't care if Lake has yet to prove himself as a defensive play caller. He doesn't need to do that anymore. We know he can build a defense, he can recruit like an animal, and he's a top-notch motivator in a profession where that quality is almost half the battle these days. I don't think anyone else on the staff has the potential to be an elite head coach besides Lake, and going outside of the program for a new-hire would be throwing out the baby with the bath water.
"We know he can build a defense"
We do?
"he can recruit like an animal"
I love the guy but he's never been close on any 5 star DB's, not even Kelee Ringo who he had plenty of inside edge for.
"and he's a top-notch motivator"
I'll give you this.
I like Lake. He's a great asset to the program. People who insinuated we would be better off without him were absolutely FS.
HC is a whole different thing. Sure you can squint and see him as a great HC but the most important thing an HC does is hire assistants and so far Jimmy has hired .... Will Harris. Who has done as much of an impact on the program as you or I have.
There are a ton of ways this goes very, very badly.
Lotta doogs bringing up the Young Corching Talent at Ohio State & Oklahoma. History says they were huge aberrations, plus only been doing one and two seasons, respectively.
Yeah, for being a "football school" it is pretty lame that the AD was content to settle for the coach-in-waiting approach with a guy who has never been HC anywhere. Urban Meyer would never come here, but it would've at least shown the fans that the AD is trying hard if they were able to get a meeting or some lines of communication with Team Urban.
Ohio State and Oklahoma are very recent test cases of how successful this "lame" approach is. If you think this program is better than it's 7-5 record and has the infrastructure currently in place to be a top ten team, and I think it does, then hiring internally is the move. Especially when you have a future head coach already in the assistant ranks, which is not the case for most programs. Add in the bonus of freeing up a lot more salary for assistant coaches ($3M for Lake is nothing), and it would be ridiculous for the AD to embark on an outside candidate search.
I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.
But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.
UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.
I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.
This is definitely the pro Lake argument.
Hopefully it works out.
Yep, that thinking I can dig.
I just think it's optimistic to think "Lake can keep the best parts of Pete's program." We don't know that at all. Hopefully Kwat wants to coach here for another ten years. If that's the case this has a much better chance of working out. I'm not optimistic Lake has the stones to make a big time OC hire but if he does I'll be wishing I could delete this thread rather quickly. That would say a whole lot.
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Cato was the only somewhat acceptable hire - it’s not crazy to promote a GA to be the TE coach.
The other 2 hires? Twash!
Clearly, he should have poached half of Montana’s roster but, couldn’t spot the talent or couldn’t close.
I did nor get on record in this thread but I agreed with @GreenRiverGatorz and @FremontTroll
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