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insinceredawg
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Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
-Aid to Ukraine was withheld
-Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Trump wanted a public announcement that Zelensky was going to investigate Ukraine's role in the 2016 election that you now lie about and claim never happened. He also wanted them to investigate Burisma.

    The aid, which contained lethal weapons that the Obama Admin refused to provide, was held up for 10 days, and then released and there was never any investigation. That's what I believe.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Trump wanted a public announcement that Zelensky was going to investigate Ukraine's role in the 2016 election that you now lie about and claim never happened. He also wanted them to investigate Burisma.

    The aid, which contained lethal weapons that the Obama Admin refused to provide, was held up for 10 days, and then released and there was never any investigation. That's what I believe.

    That's a bold faced lie any way you look at it Bob. Liar
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  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    Math is not one of GayBobFS' strong suits
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  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    SFGbob said:

    Trump wanted a public announcement that Zelensky was going to investigate Ukraine's role in the 2016 election that you now lie about and claim never happened. He also wanted them to investigate Burisma.

    The aid, which contained lethal weapons that the Obama Admin refused to provide, was held up for 10 days, and then released and there was never any investigation. That's what I believe.

    LOL you are still peddling this Russian conspiracy theory? You might be dumber than @sledog. JFC.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Trump wanted a public announcement that Zelensky was going to investigate Ukraine's role in the 2016 election that you now lie about and claim never happened. He also wanted them to investigate Burisma.

    The aid, which contained lethal weapons that the Obama Admin refused to provide, was held up for 10 days, and then released and there was never any investigation. That's what I believe.

    That's a bold faced lie any way you look at it Bob. Liar
    If I've been relying on bad info I'll gladly correct the record Hondo. I'm not a pathological liar like you. Feel free to show where my number is wrong.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,875 Standard Supporter
    insinceredawg said:

    SFGbob said:

    Trump wanted a public announcement that Zelensky was going to investigate Ukraine's role in the 2016 election that you now lie about and claim never happened. He also wanted them to investigate Burisma.

    The aid, which contained lethal weapons that the Obama Admin refused to provide, was held up for 10 days, and then released and there was never any investigation. That's what I believe.

    LOL you are still peddling this Russian conspiracy theory? You might be dumber than @sledog. JFC.
    That would place me far above you.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    July 18 the hold up was announced. Sept 11 the Aid was released. I was wrong. See how easy it is when you're not a pathological lying Kunt Hondo?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    insinceredawg said:

    SFGbob said:

    Trump wanted a public announcement that Zelensky was going to investigate Ukraine's role in the 2016 election that you now lie about and claim never happened. He also wanted them to investigate Burisma.

    The aid, which contained lethal weapons that the Obama Admin refused to provide, was held up for 10 days, and then released and there was never any investigation. That's what I believe.

    LOL you are still peddling this Russian conspiracy theory? You might be dumber than @sledog. JFC.
    Yeah me, the NYTimes, CBS News, the BBC and The Nation...
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    July 18 the hold up was announced. Sept 11 the Aid was released. I was wrong. See how easy it is when you're not a pathological lying Kunt Hondo?

    You got that 10 days from somewhere Bob. Do you ever wonder why your news source lies to you and why you repeat those lies on here?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,139 Founders Club
    Here's my answer

    Exonerated. Fuck you
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,977
    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,875 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
    Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,977
    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
    Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.
    If your question wasn't rhetorical, the Mall should definitely ask you to turn in your badge.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,875 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
    Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.
    If your question wasn't rhetorical, the Mall should definitely ask you to turn in your badge.
    Copy you agree Clinton committed a felony. The surprising thing is they actually disbarred him.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,875 Standard Supporter
    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
    Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.
    If your question wasn't rhetorical, the Mall should definitely ask you to turn in your badge.
    Copy you agree Clinton committed a felony. The surprising thing is they actually disbarred him.
    Bill Clinton was a scumbag, which is unfortunate because I generally liked his politics. He was almost conservative is many respects.

    But a scumbag he was. He's not alone, but when you really dig into Bill you have to conclude he's not a good guy. No, I don't believe the tin foil hat stories about pizza stores and pedo coverups. I'll need something direct on that one. But rambling on about the Clintons is hardly a persuastive technique. Anybody who knows anything knows the Clintons, Bill much more so than Hillary IMO, was/is a dirt bag.
    I think the two are pretty equal we just hear less about Hillary. Her secret service agents have interesting stories.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,977
    creepycoug said:

    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    I watched it through until Castor was, I presume, about half way through questions. Just after the "this is a really important point" comment at the point Sondland was basically reasserting the 2+2 = 4 bit. Then I had a meeting and then I had to run over here. It's hard pretending to be a lawyer.

    If I'm on team Trump and I'm being honest, based only what I heard this morning, I take two things away thus far: (1) it's clear nobody's going to be able to say that Trump told them to do anything that touches upon "this for that"; and (2) we're getting some meat on the bone of what most of us have assumed/suspected/worried about for some time, which is that Rudy G. is clearly there to be Trump's buffer between orders and having to answer for them, a classic rich guy move. Tell me again why you guys hate lawyers so much.

    Whatever is going on here, I don't believe that Rudy G. is ever off on a rogue frolic, nor do I believe that we should be in impeachment hearings. Seems to me the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that Trump wins re-election. The DNC would be smart to just drop all this, but it's way past that point now.

    Good chit. @YellowSnow and I were chatting today and this is a more nuanced version of what we sort of think. The only person who could potentially know that Trump was trying to "bribe" Ukraine is Rudy, and he can't be compelled to testify as Trumps lawyer even if it is true, so all you are left with is a bunch of people who have thoughts and opinions on what happened, and lots of speculation, but zero hard evidence. The longer this goes the worse it looks for the Dems, because Americans, while dumb, are not so dumb as to see a continual line of witnesses get up and say I think maybe something happened here but Trump never ordered me to do it somehow means Trump is guilty.

    Keep it up Schiff. We love it in the cheap seats.
    Agreed, especially on the damage this is doing in real time to the as of yet unnamed shit show the DNC will choose to run. That guy/gal will really hate this whole circus when the campaign starts. It's kind of like Gangs of New York: when you kill a king, you see it through and you do it where everyone can see you do it. You don't "try" to do it; you don't show up to a gun fight with a sitting US President with just your dick in your hands.

    That said, if you put a gun to my head and my life depended on the accuracy of my guess at the truth here, I'd say there was something there. I'd say Trump is a crafty old rich dood who knows how to position his lawyers and other flunkies between himself and the shit he sometimes wants to do. I don't think doing this would be beneath him. I could absolutely see him making a move on something like this, finding out later it's a no no and then protecting himself. So, sure, by the time Sondland blurts out "What do you want from Ukraine?", a question if asked of me in that manner would make me wonder if I were being recorded, he probably by then had been informed it wasn't ok to offer that trade or make that implied threat. I'm just being straight here ... that scenario, IMO, is well within Trump's wheel house. But we know he's not an alter boy, so I'm not really sure I care that much.

    Only thing that really matters here is that this whole circus is yet another example of the left overplaying their hand. It's such a Cuog! move to do this. They really fucked up.
    It may backfire on the Dems. I'm not arguing that point. It could. Realpolitik, and all that.

    But you've agreed there's probably something there. To me, abuse of the most powerful office in the world and putting personal interests ahead of national interests are not trivial. Your response amounts to "boys will be boys". Are you saying impeachment should be explored only when public opinion already favors it?

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  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    Swaye said:

    Sledog said:

    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
    Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.
    If your question wasn't rhetorical, the Mall should definitely ask you to turn in your badge.
    Copy you agree Clinton committed a felony. The surprising thing is they actually disbarred him.
    Bill Clinton was a scumbag, which is unfortunate because I generally liked his politics. He was almost conservative is many respects.

    But a scumbag he was. He's not alone, but when you really dig into Bill you have to conclude he's not a good guy. No, I don't believe the tin foil hat stories about pizza stores and pedo coverups. I'll need something direct on that one. But rambling on about the Clintons is hardly a persuastive technique. Anybody who knows anything knows the Clintons, Bill much more so than Hillary IMO, was/is a dirt bag.
    I think the two are pretty equal we just hear less about Hillary. Her secret service agents have interesting stories.
    Can confirm. I personally know a SS Agent that was on her detail and the stories are amazing. She's a piece of work.
    Details in the wam?
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
    Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.
    If your question wasn't rhetorical, the Mall should definitely ask you to turn in your badge.
    Copy you agree Clinton committed a felony. The surprising thing is they actually disbarred him.
    Bill Clinton was a scumbag, which is unfortunate because I generally liked his politics. He was almost conservative is many respects.

    But a scumbag he was. He's not alone, but when you really dig into Bill you have to conclude he's not a good guy. No, I don't believe the tin foil hat stories about pizza stores and pedo coverups. I'll need something direct on that one. But rambling on about the Clintons is hardly a persuastive technique. Anybody who knows anything knows the Clintons, Bill much more so than Hillary IMO, was/is a dirt bag.
    I think the two are pretty equal we just hear less about Hillary. Her secret service agents have interesting stories.
    Less? Are you kidding? Hillary is all we ever hear about ... ever. I think Bill skated on 99% of his shit and most people don't see him as a very bad guy. Hillary, particularly with Trump's base, is the devil incarnate. They couldn't get through day without mentioning her name. Nobody ever talks about Bill, and he was the POTUS, not she.

    Here we are, 3 years removed from loser town, and we're still talking about her. There's not been a more talked-about loser since Custer. Seriously.
    FREE PUB!
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,078
    Swaye said:

    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
    Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.
    If your question wasn't rhetorical, the Mall should definitely ask you to turn in your badge.
    Copy you agree Clinton committed a felony. The surprising thing is they actually disbarred him.
    Bill Clinton was a scumbag, which is unfortunate because I generally liked his politics. He was almost conservative is many respects.

    But a scumbag he was. He's not alone, but when you really dig into Bill you have to conclude he's not a good guy. No, I don't believe the tin foil hat stories about pizza stores and pedo coverups. I'll need something direct on that one. But rambling on about the Clintons is hardly a persuastive technique. Anybody who knows anything knows the Clintons, Bill much more so than Hillary IMO, was/is a dirt bag.
    I think the two are pretty equal we just hear less about Hillary. Her secret service agents have interesting stories.
    Less? Are you kidding? Hillary is all we ever hear about ... ever. I think Bill skated on 99% of his shit and most people don't see him as a very bad guy. Hillary, particularly with Trump's base, is the devil incarnate. They couldn't get through day without mentioning her name. Nobody ever talks about Bill, and he was the POTUS, not she.

    Here we are, 3 years removed from loser town, and we're still talking about her. There's not been a more talked-about loser since Custer. Seriously.
    FREE PUB!
    I set you up nicely for that, no?
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,875 Standard Supporter
    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
    Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.
    If your question wasn't rhetorical, the Mall should definitely ask you to turn in your badge.
    Copy you agree Clinton committed a felony. The surprising thing is they actually disbarred him.
    Bill Clinton was a scumbag, which is unfortunate because I generally liked his politics. He was almost conservative is many respects.

    But a scumbag he was. He's not alone, but when you really dig into Bill you have to conclude he's not a good guy. No, I don't believe the tin foil hat stories about pizza stores and pedo coverups. I'll need something direct on that one. But rambling on about the Clintons is hardly a persuastive technique. Anybody who knows anything knows the Clintons, Bill much more so than Hillary IMO, was/is a dirt bag.
    I think the two are pretty equal we just hear less about Hillary. Her secret service agents have interesting stories.
    Less? Are you kidding? Hillary is all we ever hear about ... ever. I think Bill skated on 99% of his shit and most people don't see him as a very bad guy. Hillary, particularly with Trump's base, is the devil incarnate. They couldn't get through day without mentioning her name. Nobody ever talks about Bill, and he was the POTUS, not she.

    Here we are, 3 years removed from loser town, and we're still talking about her. There's not been a more talked-about loser since Custer. Seriously.
    I'm off the grand of mind that a woman that would stay work Bill is bat shit crazy and desperate for power.

    Hillary marched on through all her own debacles with impunity.

    Sad our nations politics are where they are.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,977
    Sledog said:

    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.

    I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
    -Aid to Ukraine was withheld
    -Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden

    Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?

    Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicit
    Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.
    If your question wasn't rhetorical, the Mall should definitely ask you to turn in your badge.
    Copy you agree Clinton committed a felony. The surprising thing is they actually disbarred him.
    Bill Clinton was a scumbag, which is unfortunate because I generally liked his politics. He was almost conservative is many respects.

    But a scumbag he was. He's not alone, but when you really dig into Bill you have to conclude he's not a good guy. No, I don't believe the tin foil hat stories about pizza stores and pedo coverups. I'll need something direct on that one. But rambling on about the Clintons is hardly a persuastive technique. Anybody who knows anything knows the Clintons, Bill much more so than Hillary IMO, was/is a dirt bag.
    I think the two are pretty equal we just hear less about Hillary. Her secret service agents have interesting stories.
    Less? Are you kidding? Hillary is all we ever hear about ... ever. I think Bill skated on 99% of his shit and most people don't see him as a very bad guy. Hillary, particularly with Trump's base, is the devil incarnate. They couldn't get through day without mentioning her name. Nobody ever talks about Bill, and he was the POTUS, not she.

    Here we are, 3 years removed from loser town, and we're still talking about her. There's not been a more talked-about loser since Custer. Seriously.
    I'm off the grand of mind that a woman that would stay work Bill is bat shit crazy and desperate for power.

    Hillary marched on through all her own debacles with impunity.

    Sad our nations politics are where they are.
    Awesome use of language!
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