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I'm going to give you your own advice, you worry too much about the fringe AKA Sac talking shit to quooks.creepycoug said:
I fear you missed the point of that point. That the conference is shit is simply a fact. I assume you don't want to burn any gas on that point.UW_Doog_Bot said:
And c'mon man 9-4? I heard Mario should be fired if he didn't go 9-3 regular season with their cupcake OOC, soft schedule, and talent already in the cupboard. I guess beating Worshington and a team with no offense in the Red Box Bowl make up for that. That's some serious little brother, "Sark beat #2 USC" if I ever heard it. You also can't shit all over the conference and Washington then turn around and use those wins to justify Mario being a good head coach.creepycoug said:
I think this only exists in your mind. Most people understand conference games are unpredictable; and no reasonable fan has Oregon penciled in for anything. You let the fringe bother you too much. The rest is conjecture, rationalized bias and emphasis on relatively unimportant points. P12 sucks until it doesn't, including Oregon. Keep it simple.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign.
Edwards lost six games and lost to Fresno State in the LV Bowl. Kelly hasn't done shit and encore performances fail at least as often as they succeed. I'll wait that one out. Wilcox? 1/2 a team. Oregon handled them thoroughly.
Cristobal stepped into a shit show and went 9-4 and beat the conference champs. He was in every loss but one, arguably two. Utah "basically beat" Northwestern in a game they lost by 11? Then you gotta give MC the moral victory for Stanford - a game that unraveled in spectacular fashion at the very end. One play away from nailing the coffin.
Oregon got better, everybody knows it, and then he followed that with a great recruiting class. If these facts were happening at Washington there would be no shutting you up. Hang him for Arizona and WSU? Sure. No argument. But then don't come tell me "but Utah" who lost to a loser team that couldn't handle Akron at home and "6 loss Herm can coach". GTFO with that selective ass reasoning.
You just have a bias. No big deal; it's your thing.
I'm not sure Oregon can do better by replacing him but let's not pretend Mario has done anything to actually justify quooking about the future. LIPO is the best argument you can make.
I've got a guy here apologizing for Utah and their moral victories, and telling me Herm can coach. I've got the same guy telling me Cristobal has done nothing to show he can coach. Cristobal beat 6-loss Herm, and Pete and Wilcox, and has his own moral victory to waive around since we're apparently buying into those now. He had one, maybe two, shit shows during the season. He recruited lights out afterward.
It's not world beater material by any means, but he just fucking got there.
As I said, false binaries, selective rationalizations and emphasis on unimportant facts. We can lampoon Crisco all day for Arizona and WSU, but then every single other coach in the conference, including Pete, have some splaining to do about their own shit shows.
And just to clear this up: anybody who thinks Oregon is a lock for anything is fucking stupid. But is it quooking to say they're trending in a good direction? I don't think so. Fuck, Pete was 4th in the North in year 2. Oregon was objectively better last season, and the program had been in shambles. There were better in almost every phase, disciplinary shit like penalties improved and MC validated his rep as a good recruiter. Like I said to ballz: if these facts were happening at Washington in the same context, people here would be very excited and hopeful. I've no doubt about it.
Of course it's LIPO. What else could it be?
I just expect better from Crepe' than justifying a corch that needs to rely on "you have no idea the damage Helfrich did" to go 5-4 in a shit conference while having over 30 blue chips on the roster.
IMO best case for your Quooks is that Mario continues to sell "the future is here", loads up on talent, and is hired away theny replaced with someone better at actual coaching. -
Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
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So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
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The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
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Mario does two things I like to see in a coach: he believes in physical O lines and a traditional running game, and he recruits well. I saw nothing last year to suggest that anyone should be disappointed with him. If he's a shit coach for real, it should show up this season, and if it does then I'll join the chorus. Until then, I just can't see it. I think he has two games to explain and little else.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm going to give you your own advice, you worry too much about the fringe AKA Sac talking shit to quooks.creepycoug said:
I fear you missed the point of that point. That the conference is shit is simply a fact. I assume you don't want to burn any gas on that point.UW_Doog_Bot said:
And c'mon man 9-4? I heard Mario should be fired if he didn't go 9-3 regular season with their cupcake OOC, soft schedule, and talent already in the cupboard. I guess beating Worshington and a team with no offense in the Red Box Bowl make up for that. That's some serious little brother, "Sark beat #2 USC" if I ever heard it. You also can't shit all over the conference and Washington then turn around and use those wins to justify Mario being a good head coach.creepycoug said:
I think this only exists in your mind. Most people understand conference games are unpredictable; and no reasonable fan has Oregon penciled in for anything. You let the fringe bother you too much. The rest is conjecture, rationalized bias and emphasis on relatively unimportant points. P12 sucks until it doesn't, including Oregon. Keep it simple.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign.
Edwards lost six games and lost to Fresno State in the LV Bowl. Kelly hasn't done shit and encore performances fail at least as often as they succeed. I'll wait that one out. Wilcox? 1/2 a team. Oregon handled them thoroughly.
Cristobal stepped into a shit show and went 9-4 and beat the conference champs. He was in every loss but one, arguably two. Utah "basically beat" Northwestern in a game they lost by 11? Then you gotta give MC the moral victory for Stanford - a game that unraveled in spectacular fashion at the very end. One play away from nailing the coffin.
Oregon got better, everybody knows it, and then he followed that with a great recruiting class. If these facts were happening at Washington there would be no shutting you up. Hang him for Arizona and WSU? Sure. No argument. But then don't come tell me "but Utah" who lost to a loser team that couldn't handle Akron at home and "6 loss Herm can coach". GTFO with that selective ass reasoning.
You just have a bias. No big deal; it's your thing.
I'm not sure Oregon can do better by replacing him but let's not pretend Mario has done anything to actually justify quooking about the future. LIPO is the best argument you can make.
I've got a guy here apologizing for Utah and their moral victories, and telling me Herm can coach. I've got the same guy telling me Cristobal has done nothing to show he can coach. Cristobal beat 6-loss Herm, and Pete and Wilcox, and has his own moral victory to waive around since we're apparently buying into those now. He had one, maybe two, shit shows during the season. He recruited lights out afterward.
It's not world beater material by any means, but he just fucking got there.
As I said, false binaries, selective rationalizations and emphasis on unimportant facts. We can lampoon Crisco all day for Arizona and WSU, but then every single other coach in the conference, including Pete, have some splaining to do about their own shit shows.
And just to clear this up: anybody who thinks Oregon is a lock for anything is fucking stupid. But is it quooking to say they're trending in a good direction? I don't think so. Fuck, Pete was 4th in the North in year 2. Oregon was objectively better last season, and the program had been in shambles. There were better in almost every phase, disciplinary shit like penalties improved and MC validated his rep as a good recruiter. Like I said to ballz: if these facts were happening at Washington in the same context, people here would be very excited and hopeful. I've no doubt about it.
Of course it's LIPO. What else could it be?
I just expect better from Crepe' than justifying a corch that needs to rely on "you have no idea the damage Helfrich did" to go 5-4 in a shit conference while having over 30 blue chips on the roster.
IMO best case for your Quooks is that Mario continues to sell "the future is here", loads up on talent, and is hired away theny replaced with someone better at actual coaching.
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Again, the pac 12 is down due to more than coaching. However, the top teams haven’t had turnover and every conference has coaching changes at the bottom.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
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Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
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Nah, it was mostly the coaching changes. Oregon was down because of coaching changes and the other teams were too.lawsandl said:
Again, the pac 12 is down due to more than coaching. However, the top teams haven’t had turnover and every conference has coaching changes at the bottom.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
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The PAC had shitty coaches and replaced them with more shitty coaches. We have a resource issue. We don’t fill stadiums, we don’t have as big of staffs, the S&C programs are not as funded, and a lot of elite talent is leaving the region.StrongArmCobra said:
Nah, it was mostly the coaching changes. Oregon was down because of coaching changes and the other teams were too.lawsandl said:
Again, the pac 12 is down due to more than coaching. However, the top teams haven’t had turnover and every conference has coaching changes at the bottom.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
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Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys? -
It’s almost like UW being king of the hill, there’s a vested interest in the hill being bigger.creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys? -
Got you now Cuog!creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys?
Sark's the nosepicker. Wilcox is the creepy tongue action. You've been exposed! -
That's the dictionary definition of a losing program which in the Pac 12 is 7 or 8 winslawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
This is Cristobal's second year as HC but he was still a big recruiter under Willie so if you don't see something this year you may not in year three next year
Welcome to hell -
This is a make it or break it year. The roster has depth and talent. This is what I said. Not sure what your point is.RaceBannon said:
That's the dictionary definition of a losing program which in the Pac 12 is 7 or 8 winslawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
This is Cristobal's second year as HC but he was still a big recruiter under Willie so if you don't see something this year you may not in year three next year
Welcome to hell -
RaceBannon said:
That's the dictionary definition of a losing program which in the Pac 12 is 7 or 8 winslawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
This is Cristobal's second year as HC but he was still a big recruiter under Willie so if you don't see something this year you may not in year three next year
Welcome to hell
Also, this is his 2nd season. The offense changed last year. -
I amlawsandl said:
This is a make it or break it year. The roster has depth and talent. This is what I said. Not sure what your point is.RaceBannon said:
That's the dictionary definition of a losing program which in the Pac 12 is 7 or 8 winslawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
This is Cristobal's second year as HC but he was still a big recruiter under Willie so if you don't see something this year you may not in year three next year
Welcome to hell -
Why give him an extension and a raise when hasn't earned it? Fire the AD. I could have easily went 9-4 with that junk schedule and scored a single lousy touchdown in the bowl game against Michigan State.lawsandl said:RaceBannon said:
That's the dictionary definition of a losing program which in the Pac 12 is 7 or 8 winslawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
This is Cristobal's second year as HC but he was still a big recruiter under Willie so if you don't see something this year you may not in year three next year
Welcome to hell
Also, this is his 2nd season. The offense changed last year. -
He got nothing - a token gesture since he came on the cheap.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Why give him an extension and a raise when hasn't earned it? Fire the AD. I could have easily went 9-4 with that junk schedule and scored a single lousy touchdown in the bowl game against Michigan State.lawsandl said:RaceBannon said:
That's the dictionary definition of a losing program which in the Pac 12 is 7 or 8 winslawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
This is Cristobal's second year as HC but he was still a big recruiter under Willie so if you don't see something this year you may not in year three next year
Welcome to hell
Also, this is his 2nd season. The offense changed last year. -
Mario had a cupcake non conference schedule and an NFL QB he didn't recruit to work with. Herm didn't. Wilcox doesn't even have a QB but as a defensive minded head coach, he has done a fantastic job.creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys?
Like I said, Cristobal has yet to prove he's not Clay Helton riding the coat tails of Sam Darnold. Sure, we'll learn more about Mario's coaching ability this season, but he won't truly be exposed for the coach he is until Herbert is gone and he has his own guys in there. That's why he's unproven. 8-4 with 3-year starter Justin Herbert isn't shit and neither is an ugly 7-6 bowl win against a terrible Michigan State team. He went 5-4 in conference play after a cupcake non conference schedule. You lose, again. -
Oregon wasn’t expected to win more than 9 games. Also, the cupboard wasn’t bare at all at ASU. Helfrich bombed the roster more than Graham.StrongArmCobra said:
Mario had a cupcake non conference schedule and an NFL QB he didn't recruit to work with. Herm didn't. Like I said, Cristobal has yet to prove he's not Clay Helton riding the coat tails of Sam Darnold. Sure, we'll learn more about Mario's coaching ability this season. But he won't truly be exposed for the coach he is until Herbert is gone and he has his own guys in there. That's why he's unproven. 8-4 with 3-year starter Justin Herbert isn't shit and neither is an ugly 7-6 bowl win against a terrible Michigan State team. You lose, again.creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys? -
ASU was picked to come in last place in the god awful South you idiot. That Michigan State team Oregon beat had already been beaten by Herm earlier in the season with less talent to work with. Herbert versus Manny Wilkins talent wise is not even comparable. You're shitting on yourself right now.lawsandl said:
Oregon wasn’t expected to win more than 9 games. Also, the cupboard wasn’t bare at all at ASU. Helfrich bombed the roster more than Graham.StrongArmCobra said:
Mario had a cupcake non conference schedule and an NFL QB he didn't recruit to work with. Herm didn't. Like I said, Cristobal has yet to prove he's not Clay Helton riding the coat tails of Sam Darnold. Sure, we'll learn more about Mario's coaching ability this season. But he won't truly be exposed for the coach he is until Herbert is gone and he has his own guys in there. That's why he's unproven. 8-4 with 3-year starter Justin Herbert isn't shit and neither is an ugly 7-6 bowl win against a terrible Michigan State team. You lose, again.creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys? -
I thought I saw one of Wilcox picking his nose too.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Got you now Cuog!creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys?
Sark's the nosepicker. Wilcox is the creepy tongue action. You've been exposed! -
They had a lot more skill player talent around Wilkins you dolt. You’re cherry picking the qb, you said Herbert was a three starter when he had a year of starts coming in, and they didn’t have the defensive holes that Helf left. Also, it’s much easier to go over when your win total is expected to be 5 vs 9. Also, I am not saying Edwards isn’t going to work out. I am also not saying Cristobal coaches well. I am saying the jury should be out on both.StrongArmCobra said:
ASU was picked to come in last place in the conference you idiot. That Michigan State team Oregon beat had already been beaten by Herm earlier in the season with less talent to work with. Herbert versus Manny Wilkins talent wise is not even comparable. You're shitting on yourself right now.lawsandl said:
Oregon wasn’t expected to win more than 9 games. Also, the cupboard wasn’t bare at all at ASU. Helfrich bombed the roster more than Graham.StrongArmCobra said:
Mario had a cupcake non conference schedule and an NFL QB he didn't recruit to work with. Herm didn't. Like I said, Cristobal has yet to prove he's not Clay Helton riding the coat tails of Sam Darnold. Sure, we'll learn more about Mario's coaching ability this season. But he won't truly be exposed for the coach he is until Herbert is gone and he has his own guys in there. That's why he's unproven. 8-4 with 3-year starter Justin Herbert isn't shit and neither is an ugly 7-6 bowl win against a terrible Michigan State team. You lose, again.creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys? -
Unless YOU have proof in HAND...it’s speculation for YOU. ‘Those who know’....meaning YOU are not a ‘THOSE’. I didn’t create the English language but ‘speculation’ is pretty cut and dry. Unless you are an eye witness, YOU are speculating. Word of mouth is not proof.creepycoug said:
I thought I saw one of Wilcox picking his nose too.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Got you now Cuog!creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys?
Sark's the nosepicker. Wilcox is the creepy tongue action. You've been exposed! -
Oregon was way more talented than ASU last season. It's not even close. Look at the class rankings. They certainly aren't 100% accurate but there is a sizable enough gap between Oregon recruiting and ASU recruiting to say Oregon was more talented last season. Justin Herbert alone puts Oregon over the top of ASU talent wise. You are shitting on yourself. Herm Edwards was more impressive last season from a pure coaching stand point than Mario Cristobal was without question.lawsandl said:
They had a lot more skill player talent around Wilkins you dolt. You’re cherry picking the qb, you said Herbert was a three starter when he had a year of starts coming in, and they didn’t have the defensive holes that Helf left. Also, it’s much easier to go over when your win total is expected to be 5 vs 9. Also, I am not saying Edwards isn’t going to work out. I am also not saying Cristobal coaches well. I am saying the jury should be out on both.StrongArmCobra said:
ASU was picked to come in last place in the conference you idiot. That Michigan State team Oregon beat had already been beaten by Herm earlier in the season with less talent to work with. Herbert versus Manny Wilkins talent wise is not even comparable. You're shitting on yourself right now.lawsandl said:
Oregon wasn’t expected to win more than 9 games. Also, the cupboard wasn’t bare at all at ASU. Helfrich bombed the roster more than Graham.StrongArmCobra said:
Mario had a cupcake non conference schedule and an NFL QB he didn't recruit to work with. Herm didn't. Like I said, Cristobal has yet to prove he's not Clay Helton riding the coat tails of Sam Darnold. Sure, we'll learn more about Mario's coaching ability this season. But he won't truly be exposed for the coach he is until Herbert is gone and he has his own guys in there. That's why he's unproven. 8-4 with 3-year starter Justin Herbert isn't shit and neither is an ugly 7-6 bowl win against a terrible Michigan State team. You lose, again.creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys? -
I am not saying Oregon wasn’t more talented. I am saying ASU doesn’t have the worst talent in the South. Most people thought ASU was being overlooked.StrongArmCobra said:
Oregon was way more talented than ASU last season. It's not even close. Look at the class rankings. They certainly aren't 100% accurate but there is a sizable enough gap between Oregon recruiting and ASU recruiting to say Oregon was more talented last season. Justin Herbert alone puts Oregon over the top of ASU talent wise. You are shitting on yourself. Herm Edwards was more imrpessive last season from a pure coaching stand point than Mario Cristobal was without question.lawsandl said:
They had a lot more skill player talent around Wilkins you dolt. You’re cherry picking the qb, you said Herbert was a three starter when he had a year of starts coming in, and they didn’t have the defensive holes that Helf left. Also, it’s much easier to go over when your win total is expected to be 5 vs 9. Also, I am not saying Edwards isn’t going to work out. I am also not saying Cristobal coaches well. I am saying the jury should be out on both.StrongArmCobra said:
ASU was picked to come in last place in the conference you idiot. That Michigan State team Oregon beat had already been beaten by Herm earlier in the season with less talent to work with. Herbert versus Manny Wilkins talent wise is not even comparable. You're shitting on yourself right now.lawsandl said:
Oregon wasn’t expected to win more than 9 games. Also, the cupboard wasn’t bare at all at ASU. Helfrich bombed the roster more than Graham.StrongArmCobra said:
Mario had a cupcake non conference schedule and an NFL QB he didn't recruit to work with. Herm didn't. Like I said, Cristobal has yet to prove he's not Clay Helton riding the coat tails of Sam Darnold. Sure, we'll learn more about Mario's coaching ability this season. But he won't truly be exposed for the coach he is until Herbert is gone and he has his own guys in there. That's why he's unproven. 8-4 with 3-year starter Justin Herbert isn't shit and neither is an ugly 7-6 bowl win against a terrible Michigan State team. You lose, again.creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys?
Also, go look at the 2015 class for Oregon. Helf bombed his last two classes. -
Herbert and Sam Darnold in the same sentence.StrongArmCobra said:
Mario had a cupcake non conference schedule and an NFL QB he didn't recruit to work with. Herm didn't. Wilcox doesn't even have a QB but as a defensive minded head coach, he has done a fantastic job.creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys?
Like I said, Cristobal has yet to prove he's not Clay Helton riding the coat tails of Sam Darnold. Sure, we'll learn more about Mario's coaching ability this season, but he won't truly be exposed for the coach he is until Herbert is gone and he has his own guys in there. That's why he's unproven. 8-4 with 3-year starter Justin Herbert isn't shit and neither is an ugly 7-6 bowl win against a terrible Michigan State team. He went 5-4 in conference play after a cupcake non conference schedule. You lose, again. SD was one of the most clutch qbs I've ever seen in cfb. Herbert is the second coming of Jim Druckenmiller. For every NFL dime throw he makes he gives you 8 shitty ones. Sometimes that's all you got, w/ or w/o coaching.
So let me see if I have this: we don't know who MC really is until he gets his guys in there, but we know six-loss Herm can coach? Was it the Fresno State game that got you there?
You told me that Herm can coach. You told me that Wilcox can coach. They have two things in common: 7-6 and lost to Mario.
Whittingham has been there forever. He has his guys in there. He lost five games, the last one to embarrassing Northwestern. Three words: Akron, Duke & Home.
Why are these guys so great in your eyes, and Cristobal so terrible? Exposed? Are you like OBK and can only handle Cuban men in reasonable amounts? WTF dude? That's fucking racist af. -
ASU was no worse in 2017 than Oregon, and wasn't on their third coach in 4 years, who himself was one and done. At least ASU had stability in Graham. I'd say Mario walked into at least as shitty a situation; arguably worse.StrongArmCobra said:
ASU was picked to come in last place in the god awful South you idiot. That Michigan State team Oregon beat had already been beaten by Herm earlier in the season with less talent to work with. Herbert versus Manny Wilkins talent wise is not even comparable. You're shitting on yourself right now.lawsandl said:
Oregon wasn’t expected to win more than 9 games. Also, the cupboard wasn’t bare at all at ASU. Helfrich bombed the roster more than Graham.StrongArmCobra said:
Mario had a cupcake non conference schedule and an NFL QB he didn't recruit to work with. Herm didn't. Like I said, Cristobal has yet to prove he's not Clay Helton riding the coat tails of Sam Darnold. Sure, we'll learn more about Mario's coaching ability this season. But he won't truly be exposed for the coach he is until Herbert is gone and he has his own guys in there. That's why he's unproven. 8-4 with 3-year starter Justin Herbert isn't shit and neither is an ugly 7-6 bowl win against a terrible Michigan State team. You lose, again.creepycoug said:
Pulled the Ute moral victory over NW out of your ass. Figured you wouldn't give MC a moral victory over Stanford, even though it was a better moral victory.StrongArmCobra said:
Fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about Oregon and moral victories. You just pulled that out of your ass. You're just being a contrarian little bitch at this point fighting a losing argument in favor of Oregon when you're supposedly a UW fan. Fuck off.creepycoug said:
The same reason Oregon doesn't get a moral victory for Stanford and Utah gets one for Northwestern.StrongArmCobra said:
So why isn't it the same expectation with the rest of the conference teams that recently experienced coaching changes you moron? You think Oregon will get better but those other teams will stay mediocre. Quook logic.lawsandl said:Oregon has had 3 OC in three seasons. Also, even with 30 blue choppers, there’s been gaping holes in the roster. Everyone has their qualms about the offense but realistically the 2nd year should look a lot less disjointed.
Calling out your selective rationalizations is not contrarian. I am a scholar and a gentleman and I'm duty bound to so.
Mario can't coach because he went 9-4.
Herm can coach because he went 7-6.
Nosepicker can coach because defense.
All three in their first years with their programs. Mario beat them both and won his bowl game. What happened to the other guys?
I would take Manny Wilkins over Herbert any fucking day of the week if my goal were to win a cfb game. The fact that one has NFL measurables means nada. And you've conveniently forgotten who they were throwing to. Herbert had one receiver he could count on, and he was good. Wilkins had a few, and his #1 target was a first round draft pick.
Next twisted rationalization. -
Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!
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So it was the Fresno State game that won you over then? Great.StrongArmCobra said:Both of you are total retards. Justin Herbert was in line to potentially be the #1 overall draft pick this last draft. Manny Wilkins went undrafted. Again, just being contrarian bitches and ignoring facts. If you walk into a situation with a top-10 draft pick at QB, it makes a WORLD of difference and a much easier rebuild!
But, here, you are simply wrong.
As for QB, Minshew was better last year than Herbert, and nobody has ever labeled him first round talent. Get bent with this shit. Herbert was average at best. Just because a kid can make an NFL dime throw once in 8 tries doesn't make him a great QB. Herbert is NOT a great QB. He's just a physically gifted kid. There's a difference. Vinny Testatarde was a physically gifted freak of an athlete and found ways to lose games that Steve Walsh, who had a noodle for an arm, would win with his eyes closed.
You should teach an selective reasoning 101 class. You're good.
