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“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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I'm not going to tell you anything about why a bunch of stupid state-level legislators do or don't do anything, because I don't know and I don't care. It's not relevant to me or to anything important in the discussion.SFGbob said:You tell me why none of these laws call for the prosecution of women who get an abortion and why do they still allow abortion if abortion is murder? I don't know know and frankly I don't care enough to dive into the details of either of these abortion laws but obviously they are treating these abortions as something other than murder or they would be prosecuting anyone who had one.
How does a woman who gets an abortion escape prosecution for murder if these states are treating abortion as murder?
What is this "other thing" they are up to? Nothing. It was an appeasement to somebody bitching while the sausage was being made.
That's not the point in any event. What is the point is that we both know full well what is behind this. It is a religious lobby win - it is about the sanctity of life at the moment of conception. It's not about anything else.
You either agree with that notion, or you don't. If you do, then we're done, except that if you were being intellectually honest you would be pissed off that the law doesn't go far enough and SHOULD criminalize the woman and there should be NO exceptions ... NONE ... to the prohibition. Life is life. My only basis in right for taking your life is self-defense. A rape that already happened, life inconvenience, my personal health problems, etc. don't ever justify it.
If you don't agree that the embryo/fetus is a person/life, then you should be just as pissed off at the state's intrusion into an individual's private affairs.
This "something else" line of reasoning is beneath you and is a dodge. Tackle it head on. That's what the Tug is all about.
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So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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It is a terrible argument, unless you assign no moral significance to the fetus. If you don't, then you're damn right that the state should not be involved and it most certainly is a privacy issue.MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
If you do assign it moral signficance, then if you're at all logically consistent you ought to be in favor of a national ban ... no exceptions ever.
This is not tuff to understand. I don't know why it's confusing to people. It's a straightforward issue if there ever was one. -
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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I’m not confused. My body my choice is inconsistent because those who apply it to abortions ignore it elsewhere. Regardless if they think the fetus has agency. If they do, it’s probably even worse.creepycoug said:
It is a terrible argument, unless you assign no moral significance to the fetus. If you don't, then you're damn right that the state should not be involved and it most certainly is a privacy issue.MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
If you do assign it moral signficance, then if you're at all logically consistent you ought to be in favor of a national ban ... no exceptions ever.
This is not tuff to understand. I don't know why it's confusing to people. It's a straightforward issue if there ever was one. -
Such as what?MikeDamone said:
My body my choice is inconsistent because those who apply it to abortions ignore it elsewhere.creepycoug said:
It is a terrible argument, unless you assign no moral significance to the fetus. If you don't, then you're damn right that the state should not be involved and it most certainly is a privacy issue.MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
If you do assign it moral signficance, then if you're at all logically consistent you ought to be in favor of a national ban ... no exceptions ever.
This is not tuff to understand. I don't know why it's confusing to people. It's a straightforward issue if there ever was one. -
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
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Inconsistency with "elsewhere" can be tackled elsewhere.MikeDamone said:
I’m not confused. My body my choice is inconsistent because those who apply it to abortions ignore it elsewhere. Regardless if they think the fetus has agency. If they do, it’s probably even worse.creepycoug said:
It is a terrible argument, unless you assign no moral significance to the fetus. If you don't, then you're damn right that the state should not be involved and it most certainly is a privacy issue.MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
If you do assign it moral signficance, then if you're at all logically consistent you ought to be in favor of a national ban ... no exceptions ever.
This is not tuff to understand. I don't know why it's confusing to people. It's a straightforward issue if there ever was one.
As it applies to the abortion issue now before us, it is terribly relevant if the fetus has no agency.
