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Who is stopping you from not wearing a seat-belt?RaceBannon said:So my body but I have to wear a seat belt?
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The "risk" is China supplying nearly all binding agents for prescription meds. Or allowing China (or any 3rd world) countries to make medications. These should be considered strategic industry by the US government and protected.BennyBeaver said:
Recalls happen every day on all kinds of things, including safety and health related products.MikeDamone said:
Big pharma and government forcing injections. What could go wrong?BennyBeaver said:
The risk of not contracting the disease.MikeDamone said:
On vaccines, what risks should someone be forced to take in order to protect someone else from harm?creepycoug said:
That's fair, but I'll just say this: you can be right about one thing even if you are selective about how you appply that reasoning to other things.MikeDamone said:
Vaccinations, mandatory government health care, minimum drinking and smoking age, type of food and beverages people are taxed heavily to consume, drug use, means to self defense...HHusky said:
Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.MikeDamone said:
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
In this case, if the woman assigns no moral agency to the fetus, then they are right to say "my body/my choice" because the state is intruding upon her right to manage her physical self as she sees fit. That she forgets that rationale in some other arena doesn't make her wrong, just, as you put it, inconsistent.
Vaccines are tricky though. If the fetus has no moral significance, then the moral equivalent of removing a mole affects no other person.
If an unvaccinated person spreads disease (not offering up an opinion on that; I don't have the background to debate the point), then in theory that person is effectively assaulting other people. Lives are being effected!!! That's a potential distinction from the abortion debate.
Otherwise, yeah, I agree. People are full of shit and hopelessly inconsistent.
https://www.empr.com/uncategorized/recall-announced-for-meningitis-vaccine/
This recall is considered precautionary as the batch associated with the recall was subject to a “mechanical intervention executed during the aseptic filling operations, which is not supported by validation data.”
https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/novartis-recalls-liquid-version-its-anemia-drug-promacta-over-risk-contamination-from
To date, Novartis has not received any reports or adverse events for this recall.
https://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/valsartan-losatran-bp-med-recalls-2018-19
What is the risk of getting cancer from one of these drugs?
The FDA says it is very small. The amount of NDMA found in the recalled valsartan drugs exceeds acceptable levels. Records from drug manufacturers show the impurity may have been in the valsartan products for up to 4 years. The FDA estimates that if 8,000 people took the highest valsartan dose, which is 320 milligrams, from recalled batches every day for 4 years, there would likely only be one additional case of cancer over the life of those 8,000 people.
For context, 1 in 3 people in the United States will be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetime.
It's an imperfect world out here, but by all measures a safer one than before vaccines and things like seat belts, air bags and smoke detectors, etc.
If you can't handle the ups and downs of risk management, you might want to find another world to live in. -
The Man isBennyBeaver said:
Who is stopping you from not wearing a seat-belt?RaceBannon said:So my body but I have to wear a seat belt?
Where's the freedom, man? -
I like to complain about people not getting vaccinations while opening the border to people who don't have vaccinations
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Hey old timer, I know you struggle in may ways, but could please use the HH interface correctly?Sledog said:
The "risk" is China supplying nearly all binding agents for prescription meds. Or allowing China (or any 3rd world) countries to make medications. These should be considered strategic industry by the US government and protected.RaceBannon said:So my body but I have to wear a seat belt?
Where's the freedom, man?
Sven has a Poasting 101 class, every other Friday. Check it out. -
Best. Post. Ever.RaceBannon said:I like to complain about people not getting vaccinations while opening the border to people who don't have vaccinations
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Since murders will happen regardless lets just make murder legal!2001400ex said:
Race, we can find common ground. Yes abortions are going to happen regardless, even if they out law it in Alabama, they will go to another state. Just like banning guns in Chicago isn't very effective, people can get guns from elsewhere.RaceBannon said:We aren't a theocracy so religious interpretations about life need not apply including my own personal thoughts on abortion at any time
In theory we make laws based on logic and science (stop laughing)
I believe the original ruling on first trimester was based on non viability outside the womb. Muslims didn't like that but tough shit. It was a societal compromise to protect the woman from the back alley. It was an acknowledgement that like drugs and booze, abortions were going to happen. They could be regulated or not.
Ever since this has been one of the best fund raising items on both sides. Bama is going to fuck that up by getting SERIOUS about almost eliminating it
And yes age of viability was the common ground that people came to.
And I agree on fund raising, which is crazy to me. I know many people who vote primarily because abortion, they want it illegal. Me, I don't care as much about the issue. If people want to donate to a cause that'll probably not get overturned, that's their choice. -
RaceBannon said:
The Man isBennyBeaver said:
Who is stopping you from not wearing a seat-belt?RaceBannon said:So my body but I have to wear a seat belt?
Where's the freedom, man?
You do and you are? Where the fuck have I stated any of the above.RaceBannon said:I like to complain about people not getting vaccinations while opening the border to people who don't have vaccinations
I'm a democrat
The fuckhead Russians and Ukranies in the Couv are anti- vax and that's what caused the issue there.
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats. -
BennyBeaver said:RaceBannon said:
The Man isBennyBeaver said:
Who is stopping you from not wearing a seat-belt?RaceBannon said:So my body but I have to wear a seat belt?
Where's the freedom, man?
You do and you are? Where the fuck have I stated any of the above.RaceBannon said:I like to complain about people not getting vaccinations while opening the border to people who don't have vaccinations
I'm a democrat
The fuckhead Russians and Ukranies in the Couv are anti- vax and that's what caused the issue there.
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Calm down
Those hoards at the border are not vaccinated benny. And the democrats welcome them in. I don't really care about your opinion.
I was driving down 5th avenue in Seattle several years ago smoking a cigarette not wearing a seat belt and talking on my cell phone
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So there are risks that an individual should weigh. Thanks for agreeing.BennyBeaver said:
Recalls happen every day on all kinds of things, including safety and health related products.MikeDamone said:
Big pharma and government forcing injections. What could go wrong?BennyBeaver said:
The risk of not contracting the disease.MikeDamone said:
On vaccines, what risks should someone be forced to take in order to protect someone else from harm?creepycoug said:
That's fair, but I'll just say this: you can be right about one thing even if you are selective about how you appply that reasoning to other things.MikeDamone said:
Vaccinations, mandatory government health care, minimum drinking and smoking age, type of food and beverages people are taxed heavily to consume, drug use, means to self defense...HHusky said:
Right. I got that. I'm asking for an example.MikeDamone said:
With other leftists positions where they don’t give a shit about a persons body, choice, or agency.HHusky said:
Inconsistent with what?MikeDamone said:
Get a better argument. It’s inconsistent.HHusky said:
So is it wrong because it's inconsistent or is it just objectively wrong?MikeDamone said:“My body, my choice” is the worst phrase a leftist can use considering they don’t apply that logic anywhere else.
In this case, if the woman assigns no moral agency to the fetus, then they are right to say "my body/my choice" because the state is intruding upon her right to manage her physical self as she sees fit. That she forgets that rationale in some other arena doesn't make her wrong, just, as you put it, inconsistent.
Vaccines are tricky though. If the fetus has no moral significance, then the moral equivalent of removing a mole affects no other person.
If an unvaccinated person spreads disease (not offering up an opinion on that; I don't have the background to debate the point), then in theory that person is effectively assaulting other people. Lives are being effected!!! That's a potential distinction from the abortion debate.
Otherwise, yeah, I agree. People are full of shit and hopelessly inconsistent.
https://www.empr.com/uncategorized/recall-announced-for-meningitis-vaccine/
This recall is considered precautionary as the batch associated with the recall was subject to a “mechanical intervention executed during the aseptic filling operations, which is not supported by validation data.”
https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/novartis-recalls-liquid-version-its-anemia-drug-promacta-over-risk-contamination-from
To date, Novartis has not received any reports or adverse events for this recall.
https://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/valsartan-losatran-bp-med-recalls-2018-19
What is the risk of getting cancer from one of these drugs?
The FDA says it is very small. The amount of NDMA found in the recalled valsartan drugs exceeds acceptable levels. Records from drug manufacturers show the impurity may have been in the valsartan products for up to 4 years. The FDA estimates that if 8,000 people took the highest valsartan dose, which is 320 milligrams, from recalled batches every day for 4 years, there would likely only be one additional case of cancer over the life of those 8,000 people.
For context, 1 in 3 people in the United States will be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetime.
It's an imperfect world out here, but by all measures a safer one than before vaccines and things like seat belts, air bags and smoke detectors, etc.
If you can't handle the ups and downs of risk management, you might want to find another world to live in.
