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Cooper McDonald, 2020 3* LB, Justin (Northwest), TX (Committed)

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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,232
    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Tequilla said:

    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good

    I think he is going to be good,
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,232
    All depends if he has the necessary athletic ability
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  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,425
    Him being developed and turning out pretty good was never the point of contention here.
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  • LaMichael_Corleone
    LaMichael_Corleone Member Posts: 1,316
    FirePete said:

    Tequilla said:

    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good

    I think he is going to be good,
    Tequilla said:

    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good

    @NLdawg this is an example of what I meant by evaluating the process of recruiting isn’t about grading the player, it’s about grading the coach.


    No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    LaMichael_Corleone said:

    FirePete said:

    Tequilla said:

    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good

    I think he is going to be good,
    Tequilla said:

    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good

    @NLdawg this is an example of what I meant by evaluating the process of recruiting isn’t about grading the player, it’s about grading the coach.


    No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
    Ohh I understand that the coach is not doing their part.

    But I am looking at from a roster point of view he has the tools to be a good player. So he is not Kyler many who is eating up roster spot
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  • LaMichael_Corleone
    LaMichael_Corleone Member Posts: 1,316
    FirePete said:

    LaMichael_Corleone said:

    FirePete said:

    Tequilla said:

    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good

    I think he is going to be good,
    Tequilla said:

    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good

    @NLdawg this is an example of what I meant by evaluating the process of recruiting isn’t about grading the player, it’s about grading the coach.


    No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
    Ohh I understand that the coach is not doing their part.

    But I am looking at from a roster point of view he has the tools to be a good player. So he is not Kyler many who is eating up roster spot
    No I got you. I just wanted to show examples of how people can read what you posted and then make the jump to equate: if a player is good = the job of recruiting by the coach
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  • NLdawg
    NLdawg Member Posts: 53
    LaMichael_Corleone said:

    FirePete said:

    LaMichael_Corleone said:

    FirePete said:

    Tequilla said:

    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good

    I think he is going to be good,
    Tequilla said:

    I’m going to laugh if this guy turns out to be really good

    @NLdawg this is an example of what I meant by evaluating the process of recruiting isn’t about grading the player, it’s about grading the coach.


    No one thinks Cooper McDonald or Mason West are going to be bad players. At least I don’t and I really try not criticize abilities and projections of HS kids. Differentiating a player’s abilities and how well of a job a coach did recruiting isn’t really a “strawman argument” when people often blur the lines by saying stuff like this or saying that UDUB did a good job of recruiting LB’s in 2017 just because Joe Tryon is good.
    Ohh I understand that the coach is not doing their part.

    But I am looking at from a roster point of view he has the tools to be a good player. So he is not Kyler many who is eating up roster spot
    No I got you. I just wanted to show examples of how people can read what you posted and then make the jump to equate: if a player is good = the job of recruiting by the coach
    I agree to an extent. But if you’re saying we can’t evaluate the quality of a coach’s recruiting work relative to how that player turns out, I think that’s wrong. A big (maybe the biggest) part of recruiting is projecting how a guy will develop after 2-3 years in the program. That’s where we’ve separated ourselves from most programs.

    The counter to this is the thought that nearly everyone will develop to their potential in our program so we need to go after the highest ceiling guys bc our program is sure to get them to that ceiling. While it’s certainly true that our program can be gas on the fire for the most talented guys, the buy in we expect is extraordinary. There are guys who lack the make up to handle it and flame out. If a coach fails to project in that regard and we waste a scholly, that’s as bad or worse than missing on targets or process failures.

    TLDR: How a player turns out is relevant to evaluation of the recruiting job.
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