Sirmon Yankoff Couch Sale
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Stalin, I just posted something that took 10 minutes of my precious time because it was so well thought out and it has disappeared after a simple edit. I would like it reinstated to get my well-deserved chin or two. Thanks, DWags206
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I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
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Don't sugar coat itCuntWaffle said:I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
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Haha. Fuck you.dawgs206 said:Stalin, I just posted something that took 10 minutes of my precious time because it was so well thought out and it has disappeared after a simple edit. I would like it reinstated to get my well-deserved chin or two. Thanks, DWags206
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You don't know if Haener isn't it. I don't either. He may be shit, he may be decent, he may be good. Musta said it about a thousand times. The data set you're trying to base this opinion off is smaller than my IQ (really small). Fuckin' armchair coaches around here, man...Doogles said:
If you know a guy isn't it (Haener) then you need to go down the list. Sirmon might suck, probably does, but at least there is a chance he doesn't and rare tools to work with.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Sirmon barely threw at a 60% clip against fucking KingCo4A. And you're fucking surprised that he now sucks in college too?Doogles said:
When you see the guy six inches shorter than you skipping the ball off the turf and throwing pick after pick, but still he gets starter reps and is at worst the entrenched 2, it makes you wonder.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The only reason people are bemoaning losing Sirmon over Haener is because he's 6'5" and had more stars. Not one person has seen enough of Sirmon since he got here and given an actual reasoned take on why they think he's better than Haener. Because he's not.whlinder said:God Damn it. Expected to lose 1 of them this spring and was hoping it would be Haener, with Yankoff possibly switching positions. But if Yankoff wants to play QB I understand him transferring.
It is a MASSIVE failure of the staff to lose Sirmon instead of Haener. Incomprehensibly bad roster management.
And the "Petersen loves midgets" theory is fucking stupid too. He's the one who recruited Eason, Sirmon, and Yankoff in the first place. The real crisis here is that out of a huge and diverse QB room with tons of raw talent, we're still waiting for a guy to grab the reins and nobody has appeared to do so. If we can't find an above average starter out of everyone we had coming into this spring, then we're fucked. It either means consistent misses in talent evaluation, development, designing a digestible offense for a college player, or a combination of all three. But either way the end result is fucked.
I've seen Haener suck in live game action. He's had a terrible spring by all reports. How could you not feel slighted if you're Sirmon?
Christ, you dipshits want to make everything about Haener when the easy answer is right in front of you - Sirmon isn't that fucking good. -
Lots of FREE PUB nationally, though.
This bored is more redeemable after a loss, anyway. Wake me in September.
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I'm beside myself with this whole thing.
That being said...coaches loved BBK a few years ago and we all hated him.
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@strongarmhaieballz going into orbit in 5, 4, 3, 2 ....CuntWaffle said:I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
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[Peterman "stars?" gif]RaceBannon said:Go ahead and bury the truth but I ask again how in the fuck Yankoff was a 4 star and why in the fuck did we recruit a QB who can't throw?
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This board is overreacting again. I am shocked.
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It's the faggot offense that we run. Its fucking maddening to watch us in constant motion and shifting like we are fucking EWU. Shove the ball down an inferiors throat. Attack the middle of the field. Let your swinging dick QB throw down field to your fast black 6'3 wideout. It's not that fucking hard Peter, fuck.
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I am not it is a dumpster fire. The argument over WHO it is transferring isn't an issue, the issue is they all have sucked. If Sirmon and Yankoff were the only 2 QBs in our current system that couldn't hit a broad side of a barn then you could just chalk that up to one bad recruiting cycle... but they only have sucked a little less than the other 3 QBs we have right now.RaceBannon said:
Don't sugar coat itCuntWaffle said:I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
QBs are always going to transfer, especially big time recruits who son't see the field within 1-2 years and looks like they have to wait 1 to 2 more. This should be a result of other studs in the system knocking them the fuck out, not being the 3rd and 5th shittiest qbs in a shitty 5 QB rotation. -
Remember when UW was QB U? With all the millenial doogs here, the answer is no, but it was true. The old people remember.
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Love me some @Dennis_DeYoung, but he makes 15-year old teenage girl (and 8.5mos preggo) meltdowns, seem normal.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:This board is overreacting again. I am shocked.
Wish the TBS crew would diversity their sources.... err source. Might normalize the behavior here...or not. -
The Peter Principle. You never know when higher up is too high for you ... until you find out.whlinder said:A world might exist where we are better off without Chris Petersen.
Head coach Jimmy Lake? -
Me! Me! Me!jecornel said:Remember when UW was QB U? With all the millenial doogs here, the answer is no, but it was true. The old people remember.
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Jake Haener is going to be the #1 overall pick and you guys will eat crow.
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This is a motte and bailey fallacious argument.CallMeBigErn said:
You don't know if Haener isn't it. I don't either. He may be shit, he may be decent, he may be good. Musta said it about a thousand times. The data set you're trying to base this opinion off is smaller than my IQ (really small). Fuckin' armchair coaches around here, man...Doogles said:
If you know a guy isn't it (Haener) then you need to go down the list. Sirmon might suck, probably does, but at least there is a chance he doesn't and rare tools to work with.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Sirmon barely threw at a 60% clip against fucking KingCo4A. And you're fucking surprised that he now sucks in college too?Doogles said:
When you see the guy six inches shorter than you skipping the ball off the turf and throwing pick after pick, but still he gets starter reps and is at worst the entrenched 2, it makes you wonder.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The only reason people are bemoaning losing Sirmon over Haener is because he's 6'5" and had more stars. Not one person has seen enough of Sirmon since he got here and given an actual reasoned take on why they think he's better than Haener. Because he's not.whlinder said:God Damn it. Expected to lose 1 of them this spring and was hoping it would be Haener, with Yankoff possibly switching positions. But if Yankoff wants to play QB I understand him transferring.
It is a MASSIVE failure of the staff to lose Sirmon instead of Haener. Incomprehensibly bad roster management.
And the "Petersen loves midgets" theory is fucking stupid too. He's the one who recruited Eason, Sirmon, and Yankoff in the first place. The real crisis here is that out of a huge and diverse QB room with tons of raw talent, we're still waiting for a guy to grab the reins and nobody has appeared to do so. If we can't find an above average starter out of everyone we had coming into this spring, then we're fucked. It either means consistent misses in talent evaluation, development, designing a digestible offense for a college player, or a combination of all three. But either way the end result is fucked.
I've seen Haener suck in live game action. He's had a terrible spring by all reports. How could you not feel slighted if you're Sirmon?
Christ, you dipshits want to make everything about Haener when the easy answer is right in front of you - Sirmon isn't that fucking good.
Of course we can't say 100% that Haener isn't "it." There is always a chance.
But then you jump from saying well since we can't know for sure then we know nothing and we don't have enough data to have ANY opinion.
That is crazy but when we call you out on it you will retreat to the motte and say well we don't know for sure!
Fuck off with that shit.
Actual analysis of Haner's value:
Coming into UW we start with a "prior belief distribution" that is something like 60% washout, 30% career backup, 8% serviceable starter, 2% star* based on:
-Most QBs, even highly rated ones, fail
-Generous 6'0" listing
-Zero other Power Conference offers
-UW only offered after whiffing on everyone else
-Not rated highly by recruiting services
Now lets look at what evidence we have since he arrived on campus:
-Looked good against North Dakota
-Looked horrible against Cal
-Threw a million and one picks leading the #1/#2 offense in spring camp
-Gained coaches' trust
-Shown zero tools or rare abilities other than coachability
-Hasn't grown taller
It isn't a lot of data, true, but the evidence we do have certainly doesn't cause us to revise our "prior belief distribution" upward. It either confirms it or leads to a downward revision.
So yeah, moving on from Haener makes total sense. Especially when you consider the cost of NOT moving on (losing Sirmon and Yankoff.)
Sirmon and Yankoff ARE ALSO PROBABLY IRREDEEMABLY AWFUL but QBs, like kickers or coaching hires, are like rolling the dice. You don't know what you are going to get ahead of time- there is a lot of randomness and luck involved. So unless you fall backasswards into a Sam Huard type talent your strategy should be to get as many dice rolls in as possible. Once you crap out your chips are gone and aren't coming back. Get new chips down and go again.
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Wouldn't that be rad as shit?Meek said:Jake Haener is going to be the #1 overall pick and you guys will eat crow.
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This.CuntWaffle said:I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
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I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...
This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.
It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches. -
I think thats a big stretch. Obviously BBK had a pretty high ceiling considering he just got drafted in the 5th round. Also Eifler was always an unpolished prospect who had tools but would likely never put it together and become a football player.ToddTurnerLIVES said:I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...
This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.
It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
Then you have the positional difference. Only one QB can really play whereas we rotate a number of ILBs so BBK couldn't block Eifler but Haener completely blocked Sirmon and Yankoff. -
Ahem, BBK was an All-American. Lots of people can't seem to grasp that there's more to college football than physical talent (of which BBK had plenty, by the way, besides height). Yes, we all want otherworldly physical talent on the field, but if they ain't cuttin' the mustard, they ain't gonna play. We can all see when these guys run fast and make big hits, but it's much harder to see the intricacies of the game, on and off the field, where they're fucking up. We get to see 3 hours a week for a few months in Fall. That's it. Yes, Sirmon had arm talent and height. So fucking what? We don't see him practice (when we did, he was shit) and we don't see him in the locker room. He's clearly shit and by many accounts, a whiny bitch off the field who thinks he walks on water. This program is bigger than the individual. Get used to it. This is how it's always been with Pete and yet we just had 8 guys drafted anyway, many of whom were 3* "try-hards". Case closed. Next.ToddTurnerLIVES said:I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...
This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.
It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
It's fucking bullshit that just because you're a 3* (and to a greater extent, a white guy), you're automatically considered a "try-hard". 18 of the 32 first round picks this year were 3* guys or less. "Try hard" GMFG is about to start next to Aaron Donald on the Rams. Give me a fucking break. -
CallMeBigErn said:
Ahem, BBK was an All-American. Lots of people can't seem to grasp that there's more to college football than physical talent (of which BBK had plenty, by the way, besides height). Yes, we all want otherworldly physical talent on the field, but if they ain't cuttin' the mustard, they ain't gonna play. We can all see when these guys run fast and make big hits, but it's much harder to see the intricacies of the game, on and off the field, where they're fucking up. We get to see 3 hours a week for a few months in Fall. That's it. Yes, Sirmon had arm talent and height. So fucking what? We don't see him practice (when we did, he was shit) and we don't see him in the locker room. He's clearly shit and by many accounts, a whiny bitch off the field who thinks he walks on water. This program is bigger than the individual. Get used to it. This is how it's always been with Pete and yet we just had 8 guys drafted anyway, many of whom were 3* "try-hards". Case closed. Next.ToddTurnerLIVES said:I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...
This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.
It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
It's fucking bullshit that just because you're a 3* (and to a greater extent, a white guy), you're automatically considered a "try-hard". 18 of the 32 first round picks this year were 3* guys. "Try hard" GMFG is about to start next to Aaron Donald on the Rams. Give me a fucking break.
Agree with first section on BBK.
Disagree on Sirmon- he never got a real shot in this "competition."
Strongly disagree on your 3* "try-hard" conclusion. First off this board has liked plenty of 3* recruits its more about being a rare human and being highly coveted by UW staff (and other programs to a lesser extent.) The rating system is just an imperfect proxy.
But regardless, the reason why the majority of first round picks are 3* is because there are something like 10x+ 3* compared to 4/5*. Despite the imprecise nature of the rating system a randomly selected 3* player has a far worse chance of a panning out than a randomly selected 4* and our opinions should and do reflect that. -
Haener isn't it.CallMeBigErn said:
You don't know if Haener isn't it. I don't either. He may be shit, he may be decent, he may be good. Musta said it about a thousand times. The data set you're trying to base this opinion off is smaller than my IQ (really small). Fuckin' armchair coaches around here, man...Doogles said:
If you know a guy isn't it (Haener) then you need to go down the list. Sirmon might suck, probably does, but at least there is a chance he doesn't and rare tools to work with.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Sirmon barely threw at a 60% clip against fucking KingCo4A. And you're fucking surprised that he now sucks in college too?Doogles said:
When you see the guy six inches shorter than you skipping the ball off the turf and throwing pick after pick, but still he gets starter reps and is at worst the entrenched 2, it makes you wonder.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The only reason people are bemoaning losing Sirmon over Haener is because he's 6'5" and had more stars. Not one person has seen enough of Sirmon since he got here and given an actual reasoned take on why they think he's better than Haener. Because he's not.whlinder said:God Damn it. Expected to lose 1 of them this spring and was hoping it would be Haener, with Yankoff possibly switching positions. But if Yankoff wants to play QB I understand him transferring.
It is a MASSIVE failure of the staff to lose Sirmon instead of Haener. Incomprehensibly bad roster management.
And the "Petersen loves midgets" theory is fucking stupid too. He's the one who recruited Eason, Sirmon, and Yankoff in the first place. The real crisis here is that out of a huge and diverse QB room with tons of raw talent, we're still waiting for a guy to grab the reins and nobody has appeared to do so. If we can't find an above average starter out of everyone we had coming into this spring, then we're fucked. It either means consistent misses in talent evaluation, development, designing a digestible offense for a college player, or a combination of all three. But either way the end result is fucked.
I've seen Haener suck in live game action. He's had a terrible spring by all reports. How could you not feel slighted if you're Sirmon?
Christ, you dipshits want to make everything about Haener when the easy answer is right in front of you - Sirmon isn't that fucking good.
hth
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YBFEdirtysouwfdawg said:So lots of theories going around, some more asinine than others, so here’s mine.
Brownsocks still fucking us after his departure. While he was here he was the alpha in the qb room and would make snide comments about bush behind his back, real cute bonding type shit with serm and yankoff.
It was all fun and games until the noise became louder as the season progressed and Jake had to blame someone because he’s perfect. Never in public but the seeds previously planted in the young qb’s minds were being cultivated at this point.
Fast forward and Jake comes out... telling people about how he added velocity from working with an expert. In directly “saying fuck bush, fuck peterman, fuck udub, they can’t develop qb’s for shit.” Accurate?
Now the doubt is there and he messages his buddies saying “see, I wasn’t the problem.”
Compact that with the fact that Sirmon was behind midget and I think the narrative floats.
Fun either way making up a story and pretending I’m right. I can see how ballz gets off on this shit. -
Maybe there's a reason why Sirmon didn't get a shot. Maybe it's because he's a piece of shit on and off the field. Somewhere I saw he wasn't liked by his teammates. Pete has standards that the players have to uphold, whether you like it or not. That's how it is and that's how it always will be. Maybe it's just because he's a freaking redshirt freshman who has only been through two spring camps and one fall camp. He's been with the program for ONE YEAR. People generally have to work for their opportunities and not bail at the first block in the road. Good riddance. He's clearly a pussy (agree with StrongArm here) but I don't wish him failure (disagree with StrongArm on this one).FremontTroll said:CallMeBigErn said:
Ahem, BBK was an All-American. Lots of people can't seem to grasp that there's more to college football than physical talent (of which BBK had plenty, by the way, besides height). Yes, we all want otherworldly physical talent on the field, but if they ain't cuttin' the mustard, they ain't gonna play. We can all see when these guys run fast and make big hits, but it's much harder to see the intricacies of the game, on and off the field, where they're fucking up. We get to see 3 hours a week for a few months in Fall. That's it. Yes, Sirmon had arm talent and height. So fucking what? We don't see him practice (when we did, he was shit) and we don't see him in the locker room. He's clearly shit and by many accounts, a whiny bitch off the field who thinks he walks on water. This program is bigger than the individual. Get used to it. This is how it's always been with Pete and yet we just had 8 guys drafted anyway, many of whom were 3* "try-hards". Case closed. Next.ToddTurnerLIVES said:I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...
This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.
It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
It's fucking bullshit that just because you're a 3* (and to a greater extent, a white guy), you're automatically considered a "try-hard". 18 of the 32 first round picks this year were 3* guys. "Try hard" GMFG is about to start next to Aaron Donald on the Rams. Give me a fucking break.
Agree with first section on BBK.
Disagree on Sirmon- he never got a real shot in this "competition."
Strongly disagree on your 3* "try-hard" conclusion. First off this board has liked plenty of 3* recruits its more about being a rare human and being highly coveted by UW staff (and other programs to a lesser extent.) The rating system is just an imperfect proxy.
But regardless, the reason why the majority of first round picks are 3* is because there are something like 10x+ 3* compared to 4/5*. Despite the imprecise nature of the rating system a randomly selected 3* player has a far worse chance of a panning out than a randomly selected 4* and our opinions should and do reflect that. -
There's almost zero chance Eifler would have been better this year than BBK.ToddTurnerLIVES said:I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...
This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.
It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
The coaches got that one right.
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P12 DPOY National #1 tackling leader 5th round pick and people still hating on BBK i mean what the fuck else could he do to prove himself at this point
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Put yourself in sirmons shoes. Nobody knows better than him how awful brownsocks was and he started every game for 4 fucking years. Then you see another try hard faggot getting first team reps and you watch him chuck ball's into the fucking turf or throw picks and you say huh....fuck this. Pete plays baby games and I'm sure JS eyes are just as good as yours and mine. How would you like to be a guy with sure fire NFL ability and know you are blocked by some fucking retarded fag who suffers from dwarfism and has a fucking noodle arm?
